Would There Ever Be a Possibility...?

[Nogrod]

Thank's for the feedback Legate!

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maybe I would expect... "softer" thing. This is way too... dark? ... "raw"...

So just check this.

This is another version of the same music (and music only) where I have taken all those dark echoes and high-pitched reverbs away so that the acoustic guitar sounds more "normal" and bright. There is quite a difference there.

I guess the whole mood is a bit different. There still is the suspense or the dark flavour but it sounds more bright or crisp.

Would that sound better to you?

[Gwathagor]

I like the music a lot, both variations of it.

However, they both are a little depressing and lack an adventurous, hopeful, heroic quality. While listening to it, I don't get the sense that we are on a quest which, at least early on, would doubtless seem exciting to the Fellowship.

Anyway, I realize that we're all going to have differing personal opinions, so I'll be content with whatever we settle on.

Thanks for doing that, Nogrod!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This is another version of the same music (and music only) where I have taken all those dark echoes and high-pitched reverbs away so that the acoustic guitar sounds more "normal" and bright. There is quite a difference there.

I guess the whole mood is a bit different. There still is the suspense or the dark flavour but it sounds more bright or crisp.

Would that sound better to you?

Oh, indeed, this sounds better and I actually really like it. I would be all for putting that there

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

However, they both are a little depressing and lack an adventurous, hopeful, heroic quality. While listening to it, I don't get the sense that we are on a quest which, at least early on, would doubtless seem exciting to the Fellowship.

Hm, but I would actually oppose having any "heroic" music in there (in this moment). What I really won't like to see would be the heroic thing like we see in FotR (the Fellowship climbing the mountains and that Fellowship theme playing there) - it's nice in the film, but it's not good for us, I'd say. And look what is the text which is supposed to go with it: it is not meant to be heroic at all, and last of all hopeful - Eru forbid! This is a hopeless quest! And the Fellowship is leaving the safety of Rivendell, one dark winter night - and I strongly doubt anyone is excited. Just read the chapter! The only one who is "heroic" is Boromir who feels the need to blow his horn. But nothing else.

Oh, and one thing for you music-makers. My brother (who is actually quite a music maker) suddenly expressed his interest in the subject, so it could be that he might lend a hand or two to the music-making if you wish and if it's possible. What do you think? If that will be possible, then... hmm... how should we do this... let's say you could PM me some things about what you are planning or what you'd need or whatever with the music, and then we'll see.

[Gwathagor]

It doesn't need to resemble the movie score, Legate. In fact, that wasn't what I had in mind at all. I would just like it slightly more upbeat.

[Volo]

How about something as crazy as in Dead Man, if someone has seen it?

But the stuff Nogrod made is to be put into it, for sure.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh, and one thing for you music-makers. My brother (who is actually quite a music maker) suddenly expressed his interest in the subject, so it could be that he might lend a hand or two to the music-making if you wish and if it's possible. What do you think? If that will be possible, then... hmm... how should we do this... let's say you could PM me some things about what you are planning or what you'd need or whatever with the music, and then we'll see.

Good to hear that! More people in the fellowship the merrier!

The first problem though is that there is no planning going on at the moment. And it's hard to plan if we don't have a deal about which chapter we should go for in the first place. I myself might vote for the Ring goes south as it has diffent moods and quite a lot of dialogue.

And what would your brother wish to do Legate, compose, arrange, play - and if he'd play which instruments he could do? The easiest thing is when he wishes to play then we can send him the background when that is ready and he can either play the violin or oboe or electric guitar (or whatever instrument he plays) right over it the way he wishes or we could send him notes and give him the beat. If he wishes to join in with the composing then we should make some deals about who takes which part of the chapter. And even if he doesn't I should have something like a deal with McCaber anyway. I mean I can continue developing this one I've made this far if McCaber doesn't say he wishes to do exactly that part. All this counting on the possibility that we'll end up doing this chapter that is.


If we take the passage I've made now the scene will go on for something like 10 minutes and it should mainly be a background thing - like all this music should be. We can use the pauses in the narration or the changing of the settings in the book as places where we can bring forwards some musical ideas for something like ten seconds at the time but probably no more.

If the stuff I made (well, a lengthier rerecording of it including a lot of variation) would start with the departing of the fellowship from Rivendell I'd say the next place to make some real changes - not taking into account the variations - would be Sam's night-watch the earliest, probably only when they start climbing Caradhras. But even there the changes should be more smooth than abrupt. With the attack of Caradhras and the coming of the snow we should have a totally new theme to be sure - even if there could be remnants of the score before it.

And we definitively need a Rivendell theme in the beginning - spiced with some hobbit-like things as there are long sequences of the hobbits discussing before the company sets off.

If the Ring Goes South is going to be the chapter we will make...

[Gwathagor]

I vote that we do either The Ring Goes South or Journey In The Dark. Journey In The Dark might even allow Gollum a cameo appearance!

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And we definitively need a Rivendell theme in the beginning - spiced with some hobbit-like things as there are long sequences of the hobbits discussing before the company sets off.

Wind and bells and mellow xylophones for the elves and some kind of English folk tune for the Hobbits!

[Nerwen]

Nogrod, I have sent you a clip of me saying stuff, in case you need more voice-actors.

[Nogrod]

Nice!

You Nerwen have quite a "boyish" voice which is exactly what we'd need regarding the hobbits and elves.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

First, I actually thought we have already semi-agreed on Ring Goes South; but in any case, I would be all for it. Journey in the Dark is also nice, but TRGS sounds at least as well and there's quite a lot character talk at the beginning and Nog has actually started working on something for TRGS, so...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And what would your brother wish to do Legate, compose, arrange, play - and if he'd play which instruments he could do? The easiest thing is when he wishes to play then we can send him the background when that is ready and he can either play the violin or oboe or electric guitar (or whatever instrument he plays) right over it the way he wishes or we could send him notes and give him the beat. If he wishes to join in with the composing then we should make some deals about who takes which part of the chapter.

Now, concerning this (I am almost-quoting, or paraphrasing the response):

If you have something done and you'd wish him to play something for you - he can do either accoustic guitar or bass guitar (unfortunately, we no longer have the violoncello and there's also piano but it will be probably very bad quality), you can send it to him eventually with some guidelines how you'd like it to be. Or with the beat or notes, if you sent him such (direct quote: "If they really took the effort with it..." ), then he could follow that as well.

And if it were to be the way that everyone picks some part of the chapter and makes music for it, then also no problem - you can discuss that. In that case, there are probably some passages where you'd like to have the music. So from these passages, you would probably have some passages you'd like to do, and also in that case he'd look at these passages if there isn't anything which would really interest him, and you could then agree on what is he going to do.

And last thing, he also has some of these composing-programs and he can do something with them, like putting tracks together or such, or make electronic music (or music out of recorded music samples).