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Princess of Skwerlz
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'Songs of power' would indeed be an interesting discussion topic, but I'm too busy with my paper on Middle-earth instruments this week to post about it...
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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It strikes me that a distinction is being made here that is not unlike the distinction Tolkien makes between "magic" as it is very commonly presented (that being some external power that is drawn upon through the use of rituals or devices) and the kind of "magic" Tolkien uses that is an internal power resulting from the nature of the being employing it. In his letters, Tolkien's references to "power" almost always describe it in dangerous terms; in L151, he says that possessiveness and rebellion against morality will "lead to the desire for Power, for making the will more quickly effective." Power, in his mind (especially with a capital P), appears to relate closely to domination. Although he does not speak specifically of "might," when one considers many of his uses of it, it would appear (at least to me) that he is speaking of something more personal, of individual strength, as well as individual power. He makes an interesting point about the nature of power in an attempt to explain something about Tom Bombadil:
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Okay, the brain is sputtering a bit, here, early morning after a long night. But there's a thought in there somewhere...
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Shade of Carn Dūm
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Here is a quote where "might" clearly doesn't refer to "physical power" but more to "influence".
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Which goes to show that "mighty" probably had no clear distinction from "power" or "influence," as Tolkien generally used it. But since this use is coming out of the mouth of a character rather than in the narration, one might argue that this is Galadriel's interpretation (or misinterpretation, as may be) of the word, if one wanted to press the issue. Personally, I think Tolkien did not have the same distinct definition of "might" as he did for "power." Of the latter, he went so far as to say that "'power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods" (letter 131), which to me implies that he gave a good deal of thought as to how he wanted to use the word. There is no such statement in reference to "mighty," which leaves it open to more liberal interpretation, I think.
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Cryptic Aura
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Interesting replies here! I like Ibrin's distinction between innate talent and ability for mighty and learned or developed force of Will for Power. (We all know that Galadriel could be a bad girl at times.
) However, as Ibrin suggests, perhaps the very fact that Tolkien apparently never capitalises might or mighty as he does with power/Power, demonstrates that the word for him does not have the significant reverberations in his thought that power/Power does. (Yikes! a word Tolkien might not have niggled over?)Now, I have it on some authority, but cannot speak this of my own, having not read The Lay of Leithian, and not owning the book to scurry away to verify the source, but, as I say, this authority of whom I speak says that therein Tolkien describes Daeron as 'the mightiest of the three [Elven musicians]' (the other two being Gelion and Maglor). Now, Daeron is associated with Luthian, so possibly his playing was what inspired her dancing. And we all know where her dancing led . . . . Consequently here we might have an example of might and its inflexions used without reference to physical prowess. * EDIT: *unless we take this to refer to the prestidigital prowess of the piper.
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Guard of the Citadel
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Silly question...
Look at my name and you will know what Might truly is!
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What, not who.
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