Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 04-10-2008, 07:36 PM

Fea-Laura, I will miss your creative touch here. I will with sadness but no regret take over Angela/Indil; no regret because you have done so well and I have much resource to draw from. Thanks so much for your willingness with the character. You will not be forgotten, and I will keep you in my sights down the road. Take care. Who knows what the future may bring?

-Paul/Elempi

Well, Helen, it's pretty much just you and me from here on out, there not being much I can see for Bergil to do except willingly give Indil into Raefindan's and Mithrellas' care during the denouement.

So I don't really have that strict a deadline now. None of my rpgs have wrapped up yet, and I don't see the necessity of this being the first one to finish. Not that I want it to drag on, but it can take the time it needs.

The way I see it, there is a post coming from me yet that involves Indil/Angela, Roy/Raefindan, and Mithrellas; while they are preoccupied with their triangular drama they will be somewhat oblivious to the troubles Tharonwe imposes upon Nimrodel and Amroth. I can write two posts in that regard, one from the perspective of Roy, and the other from Tharonwe. The one from Tharonwe will require more thought as I'm not sure just what he hopes to achieve if not killing Nimrodel and himself. He's not such a fool that he won't eventually see that by killing Nimrodel he sends her into a future with Amroth, so I'm not sure what he'll try to do next. Probably try to kill Mellondu outright.

What direction do you expect to take in your next posts?

mark12_30 · 04-11-2008, 07:59 PM

Simply put: currently Amroth is standing on the shores of sanity, calling to Nimrodel. SHe's not responding. He will draw back, gather strength, and follow her into her madness, in order to meet her in the depths of it and finally bring her back.

I envision it to be a kind of retracing of her steps-- whether in reverse chronological order or in normal chronological order I hadn't decided: but since they've all been dreaming about bits and peices of her life til now, it will pull all the tapestry threads tighter, and perhaps form the whole picture and make everyone's part in it clear. I hope.

It would have been so much easier to have each character's writer taking part. I miss everyone keenly now. But there it is. I could wish for a dream-summary but I do not have the time this month to reread the whole RPG, so I will have to just do the best I can.
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Mithrellas should be a large part of the warp and woof. BUt I am not sure how to approach that. A constant stream of self-sacrifice has been coming from her, for a thousand years. That should be huge. SHould be huge. Should be. How do we make it enough? Amroth's debt to Mithrellas-- well, I don't know. Perhaps it might cross his mind that if only she had been alone she might have gone on to Mandos a long time ago, and met him there. But then, he's too noble to let that stew for long; he'd set it aside. I hope. RIght?

mark12_30 · 04-11-2008, 08:04 PM

Should I wait for the post from you and Fea?

littlemanpoet · 04-12-2008, 12:57 PM

Our PM post never got started, so it's up to you and me. I'll write as the inspiration comes. You do the same. We'll see how it threads together. Since there's only two of us (for all practical purposes) we can edit in whatever we want wherever we want.

As far as researching dreams, perhaps an advanced Search on dreams might be doable with a very tight "from-to" set. That way we may be able to access what we need without having to search the entire haystack.

Regarding Mithrellas, I recently learned something important about the nature of self-sacrifice. It goes like this: Jesus was able to face his passion & crucifixion on 2 bases: (1) his love for us, and (2) they joy that awaited him. Remember, he gave up all the glory of his deity when he came, so he faced it as a human without sin. Similarly, Aragorn was able to live a long life of self-sacrifice for love of Gondor, Hobbits, Arwen, Gandalf, and many others; and for the joy that awaited him once all was achieved.

So we have precedent from two good sources for Mithrellas. If she is nothing else, she is strong. She has been able to keep her hope alive throughout a millenium of her Lady's despair, and she has been able to keep her mind safe from the wiles of Tharonwe; not only the wiles, but he didn't even know she existed! That is strong! And noble! And pure. Holy, even. You do see where I'm going with this?

mark12_30 · 04-12-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So we have precedent from two good sources for Mithrellas. If she is nothing else, she is strong. She has been able to keep her hope alive throughout a millenium of her Lady's despair, and she has been able to keep her mind safe from the wiles of Tharonwe; not only the wiles, but he didn't even know she existed! That is strong! And noble! And pure. Holy, even. You do see where I'm going with this?

Not yet, but I think that wherever you are going, I think I like it a lot.

littlemanpoet · 04-18-2008, 07:41 AM

Should I post next for Tharonwe and/or Raefindan and/or Indil?

How do you see what's next?

mark12_30 · 04-21-2008, 06:18 PM

Yup.

I see Amroth and Erebemlin essentially coming up for air, recognising that they weren't getting very far, deciding to "go in after her" (I need an elvish way to say that) and follow Nimrodel into the grim darkness, like Aragorn did with Eowyn and Faramir. Only, with Nimrodel having been there a long time, it will be a long slow journey.

It can progress through all those dreams. I think that's the best roadmap for us to take. All the tentacles, drownings, ash, despair, accusations, railing against the Valar... etc. Amroth nowhere to be found in all of it. Avarien's departure; Gwyllion's gruesome departure. All of that should weave in.

04-10-2008, 07:36 PM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Fea-Laura, I will miss your creative touch here. I will with sadness but no regret take over Angela/Indil; no regret because you have done so well and I have much resource to draw from. Thanks so much for your willingness with the character. You will not be forgotten, and I will keep you in my sights down the road. Take care. Who knows what the future may bring? -Paul/Elempi Well, Helen, it's pretty much just you and me from here on out, there not being much I can see for Bergil to do except willingly give Indil into Raefindan's and Mithrellas' care during the denouement. So I don't really have that strict a deadline now. None of my rpgs have wrapped up yet, and I don't see the necessity of this being the first one to finish. Not that I want it to drag on, but it can take the time it needs. The way I see it, there is a post coming from me yet that involves Indil/Angela, Roy/Raefindan, and Mithrellas; while they are preoccupied with their triangular drama they will be somewhat oblivious to the troubles Tharonwe imposes upon Nimrodel and Amroth. I can write two posts in that regard, one from the perspective of Roy, and the other from Tharonwe. The one from Tharonwe will require more thought as I'm not sure just what he hopes to achieve if not killing Nimrodel and himself. He's not such a fool that he won't eventually see that by killing Nimrodel he sends her into a future with Amroth, so I'm not sure what he'll try to do next. Probably try to kill Mellondu outright. What direction do you expect to take in your next posts? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 04-10-2008 at 07:45 PM.

04-11-2008, 07:59 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Simply put: currently Amroth is standing on the shores of sanity, calling to Nimrodel. SHe's not responding. He will draw back, gather strength, and follow her into her madness, in order to meet her in the depths of it and finally bring her back. I envision it to be a kind of retracing of her steps-- whether in reverse chronological order or in normal chronological order I hadn't decided: but since they've all been dreaming about bits and peices of her life til now, it will pull all the tapestry threads tighter, and perhaps form the whole picture and make everyone's part in it clear. I hope. It would have been so much easier to have each character's writer taking part. I miss everyone keenly now. But there it is. I could wish for a dream-summary but I do not have the time this month to reread the whole RPG, so I will have to just do the best I can. \ Mithrellas should be a large part of the warp and woof. BUt I am not sure how to approach that. A constant stream of self-sacrifice has been coming from her, for a thousand years. That should be huge. SHould be huge. Should be. How do we make it enough? Amroth's debt to Mithrellas-- well, I don't know. Perhaps it might cross his mind that if only she had been alone she might have gone on to Mandos a long time ago, and met him there. But then, he's too noble to let that stew for long; he'd set it aside. I hope. RIght? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-11-2008, 08:04 PM	#3
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Should I wait for the post from you and Fea? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-21-2008, 06:18 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Yup. I see Amroth and Erebemlin essentially coming up for air, recognising that they weren't getting very far, deciding to "go in after her" (I need an elvish way to say that) and follow Nimrodel into the grim darkness, like Aragorn did with Eowyn and Faramir. Only, with Nimrodel having been there a long time, it will be a long slow journey. It can progress through all those dreams. I think that's the best roadmap for us to take. All the tentacles, drownings, ash, despair, accusations, railing against the Valar... etc. Amroth nowhere to be found in all of it. Avarien's departure; Gwyllion's gruesome departure. All of that should weave in. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

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04-12-2008, 12:57 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Our PM post never got started, so it's up to you and me. I'll write as the inspiration comes. You do the same. We'll see how it threads together. Since there's only two of us (for all practical purposes) we can edit in whatever we want wherever we want. As far as researching dreams, perhaps an advanced Search on dreams might be doable with a very tight "from-to" set. That way we may be able to access what we need without having to search the entire haystack. Regarding Mithrellas, I recently learned something important about the nature of self-sacrifice. It goes like this: Jesus was able to face his passion & crucifixion on 2 bases: (1) his love for us, and (2) they joy that awaited him. Remember, he gave up all the glory of his deity when he came, so he faced it as a human without sin. Similarly, Aragorn was able to live a long life of self-sacrifice for love of Gondor, Hobbits, Arwen, Gandalf, and many others; and for the joy that awaited him once all was achieved. So we have precedent from two good sources for Mithrellas. If she is nothing else, she is strong. She has been able to keep her hope alive throughout a millenium of her Lady's despair, and she has been able to keep her mind safe from the wiles of Tharonwe; not only the wiles, but he didn't even know she existed! That is strong! And noble! And pure. Holy, even. You do see where I'm going with this?

04-18-2008, 07:41 AM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Should I post next for Tharonwe and/or Raefindan and/or Indil? How do you see what's next?