Werewolf XLIV: In the House of Tom Bombadil

[Rikae]

You know what drives me crazy? I've put more effort into this game than anyone - at least, it looks that way to me - and I've been nothing but wrong so far. Quite depressing, as well as embarrassing. If I'm wrong again toDay, I might just hang up my ... keyboard? ... and retire from WW.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You know what drives me crazy? I've put more effort into this game than anyone - at least, it looks that way to me - and I've been nothing but wrong so far. Quite depressing, as well as embarrassing. If I'm wrong again toDay, I might just hang up my ... keyboard? ... and retire from WW.

Although I have probably not used as much time to this game as you have, I'm feeling about the same. (And before you or Nogrod start accusing me of agreeing with you or buddying you up or whatever Nogrod should be my witness that I already said this aloud after Mac's role was revealed on Saturday...)

I'm suddenly very frustrated with this game and it's really a pity since I've enjoyed it this far a lot, I mean really a lot, possibly more than some games in ages. Maybe I'm just frustrated at myself and I really should be at least annoyed at myself I'm frustrated by such a minor thing (gasp, she is not saying ww is the most important thing in life!) as being wrong all the time in ww...

edit: xed with Durelin

[Thinlómien]

Somehow that post of Durelin's looks like the Menel+Nogrod+Durelin theory could be very right. Bad news is that when it starts to look obvious it's probably incorrect.

Anyway - Durelin, did you intentionally leave Menel and Mith off your list?

[Durelin]

Yes, I did. Menel feels like a scapegoat, Mith I just have no idea. I hate going with the flow on that one, but I agree with Rikae when she said something along the lines of "there are two other wolves out there".

I am very frustrated with this game, as well. This is my lovely *return* to WW, and it's not only making me feel even dumber than my programming class does, but it's making me late for it. >< I will be back in about an hour...

Edit: Crossed with Volo.

[Thinlómien]

Somehow I'm beginning to be amused with this... really, are we all this frustrated? I mean, after I wrote that rant of mine and fetched some disgustingly sweet bubblegum I've been feeling much better. We might be frustrated, but let's not give up, regardless of what we are. It can still end well for either party.

And no, Volo, that was not a slip of any kind. I don't hold a grudge against the wolves (unless they win ) and I just couldn't phrase that in any better way.

edit: xed with Nerwie

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And no, Volo, that was not a slip of any kind. I don't hold a grudge against the wolves (unless they win ) and I just couldn't phrase that in any better way.

Why me?

#480 Rikae, that's the most hilarious post I've seen since '95. Thanks for doing it, but I must disappoint you by thinking that it can't be so easy.


Oh dear, just as I was going to vote for Durelin. Well, I don't have the chances to disagree with you, Rikae, as I have decided to trust you and we can't go voting for different players really, can we. For best or worst then, I guess...

++Menel

[Nerwen]

All right, then–

++Menel.

And Rikae– if you're wrong about him, I swear I will kill you.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You know what drives me crazy? I've put more effort into this game than anyone - at least, it looks that way to me - and I've been nothing but wrong so far. Quite depressing, as well as embarrassing. If I'm wrong again toDay, I might just hang up my ... keyboard? ... and retire from WW.

Cheer up. You've very nearly convinced me that it would be better not to vote Volo toDay– and that's taken some doing. I was virtually certain he was a wolf after yesterDay– I still think he's likely one, but maybe you're right and it's too much of a risk. Menel had sort of slipped off my radar yet again... maybe because he stopped attacking me and started agreeing with me.

Besides, it’s not just you. I’ve been hopeless. I had the excuse of not being able to participate much earlier– but that doesn’t apply to the last two Days. In fact this whole game has been a disaster. I just think the whole village has been played for fools (village idiots?) all along.

About that "Volo looks worse than Durelin" argument– no, I didn't cross with Menel, it's actually what I thought. I'm not so sure now.

What do you think about Lommy, now? I keep (appropriately) flip-flopping on her. Read one way, some of her recent posts could be furry... and then I read them again and they seem quite innocent.

EDIT: X'd since Rikae at #471.

[Rikae]

One think I find especially creepy about toDay is that, just when everybody should have a wide focus (and just when it's easy to do so, with only 8 players), people seem to have divided themselves into groups and narrowed their focus, each, to pretty much a single person.
Lommy and Nogrod's behavior toDay I've already talked about... I get the feeling one or both of them are trying to absorb all my attention in their "duel" as well, to the exclusion of all else.
Nerwen and Menel's focus on Volo (and indirect defense of Durelin, while agreeing that she is suspicious) is another case.
Volo's latest post basically agrees with me. The cynic in me says "of course he agrees with you, you've been defending him." Previously, he seemed as fixated on Nerwen as she was on him.

Okaaay - possible connections. If you think I'm wrong, please point it out and why. I don't want to come to any erroneous conclusions. For the sake of completeness, I will include myself. It is not possible I'm a wolf from my perspective, but from yours (four of you, anyway) it is.

I do not think Mith is a wolf. If she is, she is going to get my vote on Day 1 from now on.

Nogrod:
Good chance of being a wolf with:
Menel
Could be a wolf with:
Nerwen
Durelin
Less likely to be a wolf with:
Lommy
Volo
Mith
Unlikely to be a wolf with:
Rikae

Nerwen:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Menel
Durelin
Could be a wolf with:
Lommy
Nogrod
Rikae (or am I likely? I've tended to agree with her. Sorry, can't be objective there - make your own call.)
Unlikely wolf with:
Volo
Mith


Menel:
Likely to be wolf with:
Nogrod
Nerwen
Durelin
Could be a wolf with:
Lommy
Unlikely a wolf with:
Volo
Rikae
Mith


Volo:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Rikae
Could be a wolf (more or less likely) with:
Nogrod
Lommy
Unlikely to be a wolf with:
Menel
Nerwen (especially)
Durelin (Judging by Menel and Nerwen's behavior)
Mith

Lommy:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Nobody in particular (that I've seen so far)
Could be wolf with:
Nogrod
Nerwen
Volo
Rikae
Menel (actually, slightly more so because of his Day 1 defense of her)
Durelin
Mith
Unlikely a wolf with:
Nobody

Durelin:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Nerwen
Menel
Could be a wolf with:
Nogrod
Lommy
Mith
Unlikely to be a wolf with:
Volo (indirectly)
Rikae

Rikae:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Volo
Could be a wolf with:
Lommy
Nerwen
Mith
Unlikely a wolf with:
Durelin
Menel
Nogrod

Mith:
Likely to be a wolf with:
Nobody in particular
Could be a wolf with:
Lommy
Rikae
Durelin
Unlikely to be a wolf with:
Nogrod
Nerwen
Volo
Menel

Okay, as far as I could see, Lommy could be a wolf with pretty much anyone, but doesn't look particularly like a wolf with anyone, makign her a risky choice for toDay's lynch. Volo is more unlikely to be a wolf simply because he doesn't seem to have a possible wolf-pack aside from Lommy or Nogrod and I, and we are unlikely to be wolves together. It could be that his companions have decided to sacrifice him, but would they do so with victory so close? In that case, Nerwen's attack on him looks innocentish because it began yesterday, Menel's less so. Nerwen and Menel may be wolves or Menel and Volo, but I don't think Nerwen and Volo are both.
Menel looks to have the most possible wolf-connections to me, and therefore looks the most likely to be a wolf on this scale.

EDIT: X'd with everything since Lommy's post 472

[Thinlómien]

Am I missing somethign really obvious - why would it be so inprobable that you and Nogrod are wolves together?

Also

Originally Posted by the list of could be wolf with Lommy

Menel (actually, slightly more so because of his Day 1 defense of her)

His what?

[Nerwen]

I second that.

Rikae, Menel attacked her on Day 1!

And I don't understand the reasoning behind much of that list.

[Rikae]

Because I've been arguing he's a wolf all day and will vote for him if he's up for lynching? Sure, it could be wolf-on-wolf, but this would be a silly time for it indeed.

Menel accused Mac of jumping on you on day one. (This is odd behavior on his part, though, too, coming after his bizarre jump on you for "abusing" Gwath.)

EDIT: Crossed with Nerwen, in reply to Lommy.

[Nerwen]

I see what you mean, now– but I'd call that an attack on Mac rather than a defense of Lommy. Whereas Menel really went after Lommy on Day 1– I can't see them being wolves together.

[Rikae]

Actually, I have a paper to finish in the next three hours and, as crucial as toDay is, I will flunk out of college if I don't finish this paper. As long as I'm engaged with this game, I can't do anything else, so I am going to vote and forget it.
Besides, I am as sure as I think I can be. I think Nogrod is a wolf, too, but if so, this is just about certain, and if not, this is still likely.

++Menel

"To whatever end"

EDIT: X'd with Nerwen and Volo. Yes, Nerwen, I suppose you're right - it is unlikely (and thus, I'd say, unlikely Lommy's a wolf.)

[Thinlómien]

Rikae, I would so much have preferred you to vote Nogrod... I do not think Menel is a wolf unless Nogrod's too (which does not seem unlikely though). Now let's just hope you're correct. And while I understand now what you said about Menel defending me, I think it's odd that you say it's impossible that you and Nogrod are wolves together yet it is possible, according to you, that I and Nogrod are...

[Rikae]

Like father, like daughter? Something about your attack on him (and his on you) looked possibly preplanned to me.
Still, you look more innocent than he (or Menel) does.

At any rate, if you want to lynch Nogrod, there are still four innocent votes with which to do so. I've made my case against him and would like to see him lynched as much as Menel.

NOW, that paper.

EDIT: X'd with everybody since Lommy's post 487. Volo and Nerwen jumped on that a little too quick...

[Nogrod]

Before this gets heated...

Sorry Lommy. It was not my intention to be insulting. Please try to see it this way.

I have a suspicion you're a wolf trying to come up with a case against me - and as I'm innocent you need to fabricate it. After a few posts you see everything's working fine and are pleased with yourself. And you remember: Greenie talked about not having time to play toDay! That would suit the logic you had yourself tried to tie me into just perfectly. Now it would be a bit nasty to use that kind of RL material - none the less as it's invented - but you could always add a disclaimer that "don't use this against Noggie" as the suspicion has been aroused already. And even if you were innocent I don't think using that kind of argument against someone you aren't sure with is a well-thought of idea. It kind of goes against the spirit of the game. So that's the reason I got a bit carried away. Sorry for that.

I'm tending to think you then just forgot the deadline-thing altogether as you just got that bright idea and got a bit carried away with the ingenuity of it. And now you have to defend yourself because I managed to point the case was flawed.

If for some reason you are innocent try to think it from my point of view. If you're a wolf, then we'd surely do well to lynch you.

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I see things are going on... I'll be back after reading the latest...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You know what drives me crazy? I've put more effort into this game than anyone - at least, it looks that way to me - and I've been nothing but wrong so far. Quite depressing, as well as embarrassing. If I'm wrong again toDay, I might just hang up my ... keyboard? ... and retire from WW.

Haha, a bit like what I felt in Nogrod's game, though I doubt I was putting the most effort. I really hope you are Innocent and we win this!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also it's funny that as my last reaction to Mac's revealed innocence was that people should look at Lommy and Rikae if I'm not around anymore the next Day begins with those two buddying up to get me lynched...

You seem to forget that a Wolf can't be lynched without people buddying up against him/her, especially in this situation.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I agree. Though Volo has been surprisingly calm toDay, now that he seems to have come under some pressure.

I'm just too tired to have wonderful ideas.


EDIT: Xd with everything since my last post. (Having dinner in front of the screen.)