Werewolf XLIV: In the House of Tom Bombadil

[Nogrod]

I think the little orphan speaks a lot of sense - unlike you my son...

I'm looking forwards to this as well as I tend to be the "always look at the bright side of life" -person. With no gifteds we really have to work this out ourselves and that sounds like a challenge. Managing that of course means we need to actually play, everyone of us. No seer will pick the under the radar creepies for us and no ranger will defend our assets either. I guess I need not continue this train of thought any further at this point...

I'd suggest getting rid of that wolfsie with her creepy name as our first step but I'm afraid that's not within our powers.

EDIT: x'd with the Ka

[Volo]

Ok, last check.

I'm going to vote the quietest person (if it isn't me).

[Boromir88]

What's with the excessive use of the smilies?

My head is going to explode ()...so after this moment:



I forbid the further use of smilies...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I forbid the further use of smilies...

I love it when he's masterful...

sorry to be so late - couldn't get online last night and just have a few minutes now but will be able to say more later, so no hasty vote from me.

I agree there are advantages to no gifteds - firstly it discourages laziness since we can't rely on them and secondly it removes that doubt that so often occurs that odd behaviour means a wary gifted rather than a nervy wolf.

Off for another read. May get another post up .. may not...

[Macalaure]

At last, at last, no more second-guessing "X is acting strange, but wait, he might be gifted, better say nothing". No more laying low hoping that the seer will stay hidden and get it right in the end. It's all up to us now - a true battle of the wits. Sadly, this means that the innocent side, having me on their team, is severely handicapped.

I'm already getting a funny feeling about Nogrod - again. Why was he, who has to fear this more than most, the first to mention that the wolves might be after our assets?
Weak suspicion? Definitely. Only suspicion at all? Absolutely. Would I even have mentioned it if there was anything better to be found anywhere? Probably not.
Oh, the joys of posting on the first page of a werewolf thread.

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

First!

First to be lynched? Not a problem. I can manage.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

With no gifteds we really have to work this out ourselves and that sounds like a challenge. Managing that of course means we need to actually play, everyone of us. No seer will pick the under the radar creepies for us and no ranger will defend our assets either. I guess I need not continue this train of thought any further at this point...

I can but agree. Now, I this certainly must be the first time in history that I and Nogrod urge people to talk...

I do not wih to start the loud vs quiet debate once again, but the situation being what it is, if no one seems particularly suspicious to me toDay (like sometimes happens on Day1) I will vote someone who contributes little, given that there is such person. Now, of course I hope I need not make such vote, not only because it feels a bit wasted (being a shot in the dark), but also because if I end up doing that it means the Day has been rather unfruitful. I think making one more person join the Fenris pack toDay would not be a bad idea... (on the other hand, tell me when it isn't... )

edit: xed with Volo, Mac and Boro - yay!

[Boromir88]

I'm already getting a funny feeling about Nogrod - again.~Mac

Actually I'm feeling bad about Thinlo...again...confident, a swagger of arrogance, and an aura of chipperness. The attitude I would expect from a wolf in a village with no seer to spot them and no fear except the fear of the votes from ordinary, clueless, villagers.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Actually I'm feeling bad about Thinlo...again...confident, a swagger of arrogance, and an aura of chipperness. The attitude I would expect from a wolf in a village with no seer to spot them and no fear except the fear of the votes from ordinary, clueless, villagers.

Boro, the flaw in your logic is that I'm always dead nervous and unsure as a wolf. I never really enjoy it. So if I'm genuinely confident and enjoying myself, I'm innocent. Which of course doesn't mean I couldn't try to feign confidence if I was a wolf. But I'm bad at deception so if I'm only playing confident I'm probably ringing false or overdoing it...

And the term "swagger of arrogance" made me miss Anguirel, I wish he'd come back some day. Now, I know, that was totally unrelated but it just crossed my mind. Especially as it feels odd to be described to have "a swagger of arrogance". But I'm taking it as a compliment.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm already getting a funny feeling about Nogrod - again. Why was he, who has to fear this more than most, the first to mention that the wolves might be after our assets?

Wha..at? I don't follow your reasoning for why is that suspicious.

Originally Posted by Mac

Weak suspicion? Definitely. Only suspicion at all? Absolutely. Would I even have mentioned it if there was anything better to be found anywhere? Probably not.

Am I stupid or are you vague? What are you talking about here? Your own feelings about Nogrod's post or...?

Mac is definitely odd. I mean, I don't get his logic and I completely missed his first joke too.

Originally Posted by Mac

At last, at last, no more second-guessing "X is acting strange, but wait, he might be gifted, better say nothing". No more laying low hoping that the seer will stay hidden and get it right in the end. It's all up to us now - a true battle of the wits. Sadly, this means that the innocent side, having me on their team, is severely handicapped.

Not that any of this measn he's necessarily suspicious.

edit: xed with Boro

[Meneltarmacil]

I really do not like the look of Lommy here. She seems to be deliberately provoking Gwathagor and casting suspicion on him for no good reason. Could be nothing, but it still isn't helping anything.

I also predict that Boromir88 will do something in the future that appears innocent to everyone except me. I will become suspicious of him, and he'll start attacking me if he hasn't done so already. He'll be innocent during the whole thing, though.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

I really do not like the look of Lommy here. She seems to be deliberately provoking Gwathagor and casting suspicion on him for no good reason. Could be nothing, but it still isn't helping anything.

Provoking? Yes, deliberatedly. Casting suspicion? *raises eyebrow* Not so that I can see it. That was a curious accusation.

[Meneltarmacil]

More along the lines of "jokingly casting suspicion" than anything else. Check the abuse you gave him in your second post. I can see it was intended as a joke, but wolves have shown a tendency to toss out "silly" suspicions on Day 1.

EDIT: X-posted with Sally.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

More along the lines of "jokingly casting suspicion" than anything else. Check the abuse you gave him in your second post. I can see it was intended as a joke, but wolves have shown a tendency to toss out "silly" suspicions on Day 1.

And innocents never toss out silly suspicions, right? As to that second post of mine, well if you were taking it seriously, it would incriminate me as well as him and I can't see the actual advantage for a wolf for making such an "accusation". Not that it would be of any advantage for an innocent either.

edit: xed with Mac

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Wha..at? I don't follow your reasoning for why is that suspicious.

Not necessarily suspicious, but strange. Almost like waving a flag saying "I'm a good kill".

Originally Posted by Lommy

What are you talking about here?

About it being very early Day One and there being nearly nothing to go on yet.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Mac is definitely odd. I mean, I don't get his logic and I completely missed his first joke too.

Now slowly there. You bring out terms like "definitely odd" after only one short post of mine? I think you're rather quick to accuse there.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Boro, the flaw in your logic is that I'm always dead nervous and unsure as a wolf. I never really enjoy it. So if I'm genuinely confident and enjoying myself, I'm innocent. Which of course doesn't mean I couldn't try to feign confidence if I was a wolf. But I'm bad at deception so if I'm only playing confident I'm probably ringing false or overdoing it...

Would it be far-fetched to paraphrase this paragraph by "When I'm a wolf, I play like this. But now I play like that. Ergo: I'm not a wolf. Of course, I could feign it, but could these eyes lie. "?

[Nogrod]

Good to see things starting to happen albeit slowly.

I'll put my two cents into this as well.

Disregarding any timezone-issues and other RL hindrances I'd say that at this point both The Ka and Volo give me mildly bad vibes. Possibly Gwath as well but not so much.

Now why is that? This is a matter of principle in the first place.

Because they have played it the most safe not lending themselves or their ideas to the discussion (in hope of being forgotten but still taking part?).

Mac and Boro have already cast some suspcions around and Lommy has pointed out things in others' posting as well. That's what we need to do to both look at the reactions and to gather information about what others think (or what they want us to believe they think).

I know it's a bit early to start suspecting Ka or Volo for real about non-posting (there was little for them to go on at that time) but let me use them as examples here and as their behaviour this far meets the problem I'm talking about. My opinion sure is liable to change if they come back and start posting later toDay.

I had a wonderful but somewhat frustrating eperience the last time I played. I posted only once in the first part of Day1 and a few short ones in the end of the Day and what happened? Unlike oftentimes when I'm either lynched or getting the second highest vote I got almost no suspicion and sailed nicely through the Day.

What do we learn from here? If you don't speak you're rarely mentioned and when you're rarely mentioned you're not lynched.

So unless there are no real suspcions in the end of this Day I will be voting for someone not taking part openly - eg. saying who s/he thinks is suspicious and why. It is all the more important in this game as there are no gifteds. As I said already: no one will dream our silent murderers to us but they need to be lynched. And with no ranger we're in danger of losing our helpfuls sooner than later - so that's an urgency matter: the weight of possible submarines may get heavy soon. (Hopefully this answers your question as well Mac?)

EDIT: x'd with a host of posts...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think the little orphan speaks a lot of sense - unlike you my son...

Could you please explain what you meant? I didn't see any sense in either, but neither anything nasty.

[Nogrod]

I need to do some work now but I will be back well before the deadline. But here's what I think right now.

My top suspect of those who have actually taken part in the discussion so far is Menel. He has tried to follow two suspcions nicely just when they have been on the air (first going with pushing Lommy then on Mac). Knowing his lynch-rate it would be important to him to steer the discussion anyway but to him, thence the eagerness to push people aready suspected. Also I don't see it as too farfetched to see his declaration of Boro's innocence as a way of trying to make Boro restrain his usual attack on him. Now why be like that unless a wolf?

My second suspicion is Mac. As Lommy pointed out the wolves feel surrounded and pressured if they are talked about and easily slip in there. As Lommy and Boro confessed about themselves I've myself also fallen victim to that paranoia. Mac's point about everyone discussing about him definitively looks that as it was not true. His suspicions on Lommy also fit the idea of a wolf trying to help the downfall of someone else.

But already here I seem to have a problem as I think it somewhat unlikely both of them are wolves. It's perfectly possible Menel tried to point at a fellowMac after he had been talked about a bit more. It might be seen as not too daring either but I'm not sure if I'm convinced about that kind of a plot between the two of them.

Then there is this trio Sally, Dury and Gwath. I think it highly unlikely they all three are wolves but two of them could well be. And that in turn would probably undo my first two suspects being wolves.

Also I'm not at all happy with the posting of McCaber, The Ka, Volo and Mith. But there is time for them to come more involved.

As I said earlier, espacially in a game with no gifteds I'd be inclined to vote the silent submarines in the beginning rather than leaving them to be a greater problem later.

Unless we had a better case.

Now I'm just wondering whether the suspicions I have do fit the description of being good enough...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Volo

Could you please explain what you meant? I didn't see any sense in either, but neither anything nasty.

Look at the first few posts... Lommy at least says a thing or two unlike Gwath; not anything extraordinary but reasonable compared to "First!" or "hush". And I didn't say either of them said anything nasty.

What makes me answer your question is the chance to ask you in turn why did you thought this so important thing as to bother asking in the first place? I mean I don't see any point in your question but could see a host of other questions to be raised.

[Volo]

So, computer stopped working, I burnt my fingernail and... nothing else actually.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What makes me answer your question is the chance to ask you in turn why did you thought this so important thing as to bother asking in the first place? I mean I don't see any point in your question but could see a host of other questions to be raised.

You were around.
Do ask the other questions if you have them.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Okay, never played with Sally, but uh...is this *oh, loves, you know I'm not a wolf! I'd never lie to you!*...typical? So, Sally - if you were a wolf, would you come out and tell us and make sure you got lynched?

My opinion on Sally is that she's a totally crazy player and jokes around more than anybody else. Talking the way she does now isn't something she'd do only as a Wolf. Of course, it might be a way to cover up for not saying anything else and to look "normal".
You know, she's a bit like Fea actually. Thankfully not as radical, but they are similar in some ways.


I feel so lazy, clueless and hungry at the moment that I'll go and feed myself. After that I might want to try planning my school essay. Though I doubt I'll start actually doing homework, which is good news on the WW front.

[Gwathagor]

I found a later time slot in which to vote, which is good (yay!). Vote: ++Boromir88, because of his anti-rational methodology. Even if he isn't a wolf, a player who doesn't want to reason is bad news.

[A Little Green]

A quick sidenote,
I feel uneasy about Gwath's vote. It looks somewhat like the start of a bandwaggon to me.

Originally Posted by Gwath

Even if he isn't a wolf, a player who doesn't want to reason is bad news.

A player who doesn't want to reason? What do you mean by that, Gwath?

Something's wrong in his post. Just... plain wrong.


EDIT: 90th post!!

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Mac the one and true

Ka, in #46, you gave a quote which isn't mine but McCaber's. Of course, you could refer to Cabbie as 'Mac', but that's gonna cause some confusion.

So sorry about that!
I completely missed it, i'm sorry, after about 10:30 my brain goes off and forgets the details about anything.

Originally Posted by Neurotic Nerwen

Is apparently trying to win a prize for saying the least in the most words. A possible "safe" wolf-tactic?

Originally Posted by Moi en #48

Yes, I'm admitting that I have no idea about any of you yet.

Oooh! Oooh! Did I win anything?

Originally Posted by Volo

Could you please explain what you meant? I didn't see any sense in either, but neither anything nasty.

I think it was just a bit of in-character joke, at the joking arguement that took place in the first few posts.
... And just forget what I said, looks like Nogrod cleared that up.

Originally Posted by Volo

While reading through the thread I got the feeling that somebody might be trying to frame Lommy. I mean she was quite in the middle of everything a while ago and slowly some people started calling her innocent. Something feels fake there.

People are always trying to frame Lommy though. Either out of turning suspicion elsewhere than themselves, or out of wary because Lommy is a tricky wolf at times and they certainly do not want to be caught off guard, no offense Lommy.

As for Sally, I am glad there is at least someone who enjoys being crazy around here, despite their role. I had the chance of playing with her before when she was a wolf, I believe, but it is going to be difficult to tell whether she's telling the truth or not concerning her role this time.
Sorry Sally, I love your style and nature, but I still have as much suspicion and no idea about you as I do about some others.

Yay! Mith came.

Okay, I have to leave now, but I should be back in time to re-read (if it'll actually help me at 'tall), and vote before deadline.

[Boromir88]

On the other hand...Boro, along with Lommy, is among those pulling the preemptive "this is how I always am, it doesn't mean I'm a wolf", or "this is how I am as a wolf, and I'm not that now, so I'm not a wolf" stuff. Not as bad as Sally's "I'd tell you if I was a wolf cause I can't lie!", but it still annoys me.~Durelin

Well, I would say I'm sorry for causing that annoyance, but I would be lying. It's hard when you're a wolf to hold back that blood-thirsty reaction of "There are a couple people mumbling about my wolfishness...it's only Day 1...this isn't good, how do I turn suspicion away from me?" Trust me, I know, I've been down that road before.

My top suspect of those who have actually taken part in the discussion so far is Menel. He has tried to follow two suspcions nicely just when they have been on the air (first going with pushing Lommy then on Mac).~Nogrod

Take this as a defense for Menel, if you want to, in many ways it is, but I don't find his behavior all that suspicious at all this day. Menel, as an innocent, typically does feed well off of others (though not literally "feed" but you know what I mean). He's good at following up on other people's suspicions, which naturally makes him look like a wolf, but that's rather Menel-like.

Our long history where I've caught on to Menel being a wolf (very early in the game) was because his comments seemed to be forcing something, forcing suspicions towards certain people, instead of "going with the flow." It's very possible that he's changed up, but I don't find him wolfish in the least bit today.

Sally's vote for me looks like an innocent one and appears genuine. This is our first village together, and I understand my Day 1 style usually does get me into trouble early.

Volo's follow up suspicion of me seems like it's all too convenient and is an attempt to get more support against me. What do I mean?

While reading through the thread I got the feeling that somebody might be trying to frame Lommy. I mean she was quite in the middle of everything a while ago and slowly some people started calling her innocent. Something feels fake there.
The best "proof" to Lommy's innocence is exactly this, to me.

And with that idea I stumbled upon Boro's post #74. It fits well to what I thought of and I can't really say what it is but Boro is... overdoing it? Not exactly...

It sounds like...

"This suspicion towards Lommy early, than baking away looks fake, so it looks like Lommy is innocent. Oh and looky here...Boro's post fits exactly with what I was thinking...how about that coincidence?"

I'm blunt Volo, and I must say it is that which seems fake not the "stuff" going on with Lommy.

Edit: x-ed with several people

[Boromir88]

A player who doesn't want to reason? What do you mean by that, Gwath?

Something's wrong in his post. Just... plain wrong.~Greenie

That is quite interesting and Gwath's last post (with the vote for me) reminds me of Menel's behaviour when I spotted him as a wolf early in these villages.

What I mean is Menel had the attitude of "I don't think anyone looks all that suspicious, but we can get away with lynching innocents it's ok, if they're just ordinary." Which I find to suggest "it's early, it's ok to lynch a couple innocents" to be just plain out evil behavior. In my opinion, you vote for who you think to be the most wolvish, even if it's something small, weak, and insignificant you go with it. That is why I think Sally's vote looks like the vote of an innocent, Gwath's on the other hand just looks evil..."Even if he's not a wolf...it's alright to get this one wrong Boro isn't going to do this village any good with his reasoning."

And especially in this village, where we have no gifted, I am definitely against this vote by Gwath. If you think I'm a wolf so be it, you're doing your duty, but don't vote for me if you think I'm probably innocent but it would be ok to get it wrong, because it's only day 1. That was Menel's attitude when I found out he was a wolf...and this is very troubling.

So, I still have an hour or so, I will see what happens, but probably will vote for Gwath or Volo.

[Volo]

Boromir, I got quite worried for you getting a second vote, as the stuff I said are barely speculations. But your answer to me looks more evil than not, you didn't explain yourself or defend yourself but simply attacked back like trying to frighten me away. I'm uncertain after your latest post about Gwath. Again you're turning the attention to somebody who attacked you first, but then again you have a point, a brave point. If Gwath is lynched Innocent you will probably be targeted and a Wolf doesn't want that.

EDIT: Xd with the Ka

[Macalaure]

I'm here again and now finally free to really read what happened since I went to sleep yesterday. Skimming through the thread from work earlier, I didn't see anything that stuck out to me. Hopefully I'll find something now.

[Volo]

It's so funny, Boro. You talk much more about your preveous experiences, when you lynched Menel-Wolf and when you became a Fenris-Penguin. Menel and Lommy your partners to wake up such memories?

To say the truth I can't decide on Gwath. Otherwise he looks Innocent to me but that vote is a bit easy. Please, anybody, give your opinions on this. Somebody who knows such situations better than me. Although I have been Fenrisifised, but for different reasons.

EDIT: Xd with Mac.

[McCaber]

Please don't forget I exist. I'll even try to be loud on the next Days to make up for this. I'm in the middle of prepping for class, but I should still have time to vote.

Boro seems to know what he's doing, and he raises good points. I would prefer it was not him lynched today.

Gwath looks bad to me, but I'm still not sure. I'll get some thoughts soon and vote quickly.

[Mithalwen]

Haste people we have only a few minutes..

[Rikae]

Well, may as well stick with my top suspect.

++Gwath

EDIT: X'd with GreenMithVolo

[Mithalwen]

I don't want Boro lynched. Mac seems a bit off but ..

++Gwathagor

[McCaber]

I hate to this, but here it is.

++Gwathagor

I'm still not completely sure, but several things he did just put me off.

And now here I am joining a bandwagon...

[Nogrod]

If there is a chance then...

++ McCaber

Five votes left...

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

This I find odd, he thinks Rikae looks rather innocent, yet her jump on Gwath is worrisome? Perhaps this is a defense against Gwath? Too early to say but it does look like a clever wolf tactic to make it look like you're defending someone "innocent" when you're really not you're inadvertantly defending someone else.

Oh well. I've been contradicting myself again. Let me explain myself. My first impression on Rikae was that she's possibly innocent. Later on, while I skimmed through the thread to check something (can't remember what gosh I love it when my brain is working...) I happened to reread that paragraph and found it somewhat disturbing so I added it to my post. My overall image of Rikae was still innocentish, so I didn't alter the earlier part. Did that explain anything?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Okay, never played with Sally, but uh...is this *oh, loves, you know I'm not a wolf! I'd never lie to you!*...typical?

Well... umm... yes. Quite frankly.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nogrod being overly pleasnt could be a bad sign.

True, though one must take into account that he promised to be agreeable in this game. (On the other hand, he promised to be silent in the last game, so... ) He does seem weird, though.

Originally Posted by Noggins

As I said earlier, espacially in a game with no gifteds I'd be inclined to vote the silent submarines in the beginning rather than leaving them to be a greater problem later.

Unless we had a better case.

Now I'm just wondering whether the suspicions I have do fit the description of being good enough...

What do you mean by "a better case"? While I understand your point, I, for my part, will vote for the one I find most likely to be a wolf, whatever that means, regardless of whether he/she is silent or not. Simple as that.

Gah. The people, then.

Green zone (=innocent-looking):
Lommy
Nerwen
Sally

Yellowish green zone (=mostly innocent-looking):
Macalaure
Nogrod
Durelin
Rikae
Gwath

Yellow zone (=slightly suspicious):
Boro - has improved somewhat since my previous post.
McCaber
Menel

Red zone (=suspicious):
...
Gosh, my red zone looks empty. I'm too credulous, it seems.

No zone at all (=no opinion):
Volo
Mithalwen



My thoughts aren't being too clear. Nog's suspicion summary gave me a headache.

Off to have some tea, back before long.

EDIT: x'd with Volo

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

What do you mean by "a better case"? While I understand your point, I, for my part, will vote for the one I find most likely to be a wolf, whatever that means, regardless of whether he/she is silent or not. Simple as that.

I do have to disagree with you here. It always seems to be that those who are in the fray are also more easily seen as suspicious. Those who say things give food for thought to others unlike those who hide in the shadows. With the latter group it's always like tossing a coin. Therefore it's easier to come up with a case against one who talks a lot or tries to make a difference as there is lot to take hold on to. That in turn sadly turns out just too often with lynching an innocent who could have helped us in the later stages of the game and leaving us surrounded by enigmas we can't say anything about. Or how do you suspect one silent person over another?

So it's not simple as that. We need to take account of the relative risk. Like Mac toDay. I know he is a good player and he could really help us were he innocent. Thence I'm somewhat reluctant to vote for him just based on what I have on him now as it is only Day1 and there's generally quite little to go on with anyone. Therefore I need to ask myself whether I have a good case enough to vote for a vocal player on Day1 or whether I should try to find out a "sneaker"-wolf and go for her/him as in the beginning of the game it's easier to actually accomplish than later - and because the overall chances of getting a wolf onDay1 are smaller now than later so the relative risk for blunder is smaller as well.

EDIT: x'd with Volo and Rikae

[Meneltarmacil]

Let's see here:

Lommy and Mac have been noted as odd, and I'm inclined to suspect Mac more.

Gwathagor... Well, I've read what you've been saying about his defense of Durelin and Sally, and it doesn't seem TOO suspicious at this point, given that Mac really did seem to be more aggressive than Boro. The only odd thing I can see about it is the words he used, and I've seen enough of his style lately to know that he tends to take things personally to a certain extent, enough that this sort of abruptness isn't overly strange for him.

I think I'll be voting for

++Macalaure

for now. It's a bit weak, I know, but none of us really have a whole lot to go on.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am here later than I hoped and am somewhat distraught to see that sibling rivalry among my children is getting extreme and that my own dear husband has at least one vote (Has anyone a tally - I have so little time). Haven't you heard of the rehabilitation of offenders? He is an ex-pickpocket you know.... and while I can't guarantee he isn't a wild beast under the ...
... cover of darkness he is the only husband I have and I would like to keep him for a bit!

A child on the other hand might be expendable....


OK time for a re read and I hope a more serious post or two before it is too late.

[Thinlómien]

Basically I could vote Volo, McCaber, Gwath or Mac and I have hard time deciding. I'm inclined to agree with Nogrod's logic of not voting vocal players without comparing their suspiciousness to their loudness, so I think I will leave Mac be for toDay, unless I have to choose between him and someone who simply looks more innocent. So I will vote either Volo, McCaber or Gwathagor.

edit: xed with Mac, Noggie and Rikae

[Boromir88]

Although there's one thing I'm a bit worried about the two and that's the fact that they have been so easy and nice towards me toDay.~Nogrod

Frankly Nogrod I don't think I will ever lynch you on day 1, unless if you feel like admitting you're fanged than I would. Because you're going to sound sensible and reasonable no matter what, and that's no reason to vote for you on Day 1. I'm sure sometime down the road if we are still both alive we will have our inevitable battle for who will be the supreme super talker, but nah it will never happen on Day 1.

++Gwathagor

Making the tally:

Boro: 2 (sally, Gwathagor)
Mac: 1 (Menel)
Gwath: 1 (Boro)

As an aside for everyone else's ears (so this is not for my wife) if I die soon...just know I don't trust her.

Edit: crossed with a lot of people...I have a feeling this is going to be one crazy ending at the deadline

[Macalaure]

I find Boro's behaviour a little too authoritative, but otherwise more innocent. Btw, Boro, to the best of my knowledge, A Little Green is female.

I don't like Gwathagor's vote, and I think Boro has a point against him.

I used to agree with Boro on Menel - until I saw his vote. It looks to much like "let's start a bandwaggon against a widely suspected villager". But I guess I'm still overestimating the amount of attention given to me.

I can't get a read on Sally, Volo and THE Ka.

I'm not sure about Lommy. The argument that she wouldn't talk about her possible wolvishness if she really was a wolf is a valid one, but she simply doesn't give me an innocentish feeling. I can't explain why. I have the same unspecific bad feeling about Nogrod. I don't understand why I'm so suspicious to him, but I find the eagerness with which he pursues this suspicion worrisome.

Nerwen I used to think innocent, but her post about McCaber doesn't look good, very hasty actually. But then, a wolf might like to give her posts a more polished look.

Rikae looks innocentish. So do Lily and Durelin.

Mith and McCaber are enigmas.