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William Cloud Hicklin · 02-12-2008, 08:58 AM

Certainly we can forecast based on historical data!

In the three existing movies, when PJ & Co attempted to insert 'original' material they made up, it was almost without exception bad. I think that's a reasonable basis for a prediction.

Sauron the White · 02-12-2008, 09:06 AM

from WCH

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In the three existing movies, when PJ & Co attempted to insert 'original' material they made up, it was almost without exception bad. I think that's a reasonable basis for a prediction.

Would you be good enough to fill us in on the standards of measurement you or others are employing when you declare those three movies as "without exception bad"?

Nerwen · 02-12-2008, 09:14 AM

STW, WCH didn't saying the movies were "without exception bad" (though I suspect he thinks so), he said the original material was "almost without exception bad". There is a difference.

I hope you two aren't going to start bickering yet again.

Sauron the White · 02-12-2008, 09:25 AM

I am merely trying to understand the point being advocated by another.

Original material: so in the books the lighting of the beacons is merely mentioned as a quick almost cast aside reference. In the film Jackson took that short mention, fleshed it out, gave it detail and depth and turned it into moments of awe and beauty. Is that what you mean?

Or would it be the change in a character like taking Boromir of the books who many say is a rather unsympathetic character who borders on arrogance and haughtiness but in the films Jackson gave him a soul and feelings that touched audience members. Is that what you mean?

Just trying to understand.

02-12-2008, 08:58 AM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Certainly we can forecast based on historical data! In the three existing movies, when PJ & Co attempted to insert 'original' material they made up, it was almost without exception bad. I think that's a reasonable basis for a prediction. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

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02-12-2008, 09:14 AM	#3
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	STW, WCH didn't saying the movies were "without exception bad" (though I suspect he thinks so), he said the original material was "almost without exception bad". There is a difference. I hope you two aren't going to start bickering yet again.

02-12-2008, 09:25 AM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	I am merely trying to understand the point being advocated by another. Original material: so in the books the lighting of the beacons is merely mentioned as a quick almost cast aside reference. In the film Jackson took that short mention, fleshed it out, gave it detail and depth and turned it into moments of awe and beauty. Is that what you mean? Or would it be the change in a character like taking Boromir of the books who many say is a rather unsympathetic character who borders on arrogance and haughtiness but in the films Jackson gave him a soul and feelings that touched audience members. Is that what you mean? Just trying to understand.