Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[Nogrod]

Well, Rikae you must now understand how I feel sometimes during a game when there seems to be an andless flow of "points" coming from left and right and no reasonable explanation seems to work...

If Rikae and Mac indeed are wolves they are gaining my appreciation of a very-very bold and convincing play.

I do have my doubts about Mac still. My strongest point against him seems to be that the wolves needed to get rid of a possible seer (the thing both Rikae and Mac tried to downplay as the very first things when the Day broke!). Remember the seer had a dream on Night1 before the game actually started and if Lommy was right the wolves needed to check it and silence her. Mac's posts in the beginning of the Day just suited perfectly a wolf trying to clean his trail which he was forced to leave - so it's not a question whther he chose to be bold but that he couldn't aford not killing Lommy. Suggesting Agan was convenient as he was well aware Rikae suspected her.

But I'm inclined to think that Rikae sounds quite genuine indeed - or then she fakes it in a superb fashion.

But it's only Day2 and I'm still a bit reluctant to lynch Mac either because were he innocent we would suffer a great loss. I know this might be stupid. He's the one I really know why to vote at this point but it's perfectly possible we're being messed up here.

To me it depends on the choises we have toDay. But I'd love to see new ideas - or to get them myself.

One hour then. I'll try to look after a few hunches.

PS. To all you questioning my relative silence...

Originally Posted by me on February 1st. in the beginning of the thread

"I'm in. But don't expect me to flood the discussion this time. I think it's a high time for me to try and change my tactics in these Werewolf games. Let's see if I manage to do that..." There was an ironic smile in his face as he shook his head. "Let's see..."

I didn't quite manage it last night (RL) though. As I quessed.

[Gwathagor]

Unfortunately, I have to vote now, as my geology lab will keep me occupied until well after the deadline. So:

++Sally

[Macalaure]

Maybe I'm starting to see ghosts (who'd be surprised, given our setting), but Nerwen's rather toothless analysis/summary of Legate gives me the bad feeling that the two could be in cahoots.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Great, my browser just crashed and restarted and I lost all I was writing about an hour if not more, about LG and Nerwen and Menel and McCaber and Shasta. Shortly:

LG's yesterDay's start was hard to decipher and not much from her toDay, or at least it did not help me to say black or white. I am worried about that Sally-joke thing and while she is explaining it, I am not sure whether there can't have been a wolfy intention to start a half-joky suspicion and let others follow it. The same can be said about Sally, as I mentioned earlier, and speaking of that, I am still worried about her.

Nerwen posted far more than I thought, though many of her posts have just very little substance or are just questions or reactions with not many own constructive opinions. Nevertheless, nothing specially suspicious on her and no reason for me to be worried about her.

McCaber and Shasta I spoke about earlier and it did not change - both post less, though it looks they are trying to be helpful, both; even in the little they do. Nothing special, though little more posting would do good.

Menel is a little complicated persona, and I think I'll re-make the post I lost now and post a longer one, but that would have to wait for toMorrow, as the DL is nearing and I have to see what's happening and vote. Oh, my.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sally, oh my. Let's not get worried. This is not anything personal or anything. Everything here is just a game, we know you are ill.

Okay, I think the voting is here. I could vote either Mac or Sally, I am going for the first one, also because in this rush I cannot seem to be able to analyse anything and this Sally's shout just startled me.

++Mac

EDIT: x-ed with everyone since my post

[Nogrod]

This is stupid!

Okay, Rikae and Mac - if they are the last ones around will take care either of them gets lynched so I might just go for

++ Gwath

to open one route more...

EDIT: x'd with LG

[satansaloser2005]

*giggles and mutters to herself* Not again....

Shoot. I'm late. I'm late. But not for an important date.
Just can't stay away. Where are the rest of the votes, anyway?

[Rikae]

I can't vote for Mac or Sally in good conscience -

++Nerwen

The one of my main suspects that might get some support.

[Macalaure]

++Nerwen

Ridiculousness..


edit: crossed and too late
do the votes of McCaber and me count?

[satansaloser2005]

Stop it. Stop. STOP! You're just making me laugh too hard.... ah, the discussion that will ensue tomorrow over the voting.

Okay, I need to go. My boss'll be royally angered with me.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, that came out of nowhere. Anyway, moving on....



I still find Noggie a bit odd. Thanks for (sort of) explaining your lack of whirlwind posting though. Puts me at ease a tiny bit, or at least enough to not vote you today. Ack, what to do, what to do? I need to take a brief pause for thought....

[Nogrod]

Now this is ridiculous! Twenty minutes left and two votes given!

Menel -> Rikae
Gwath -> Sally

Or have I missed something?

Speak your minds people. We don't need any last minute frenzies.

[Nerwen]

I wanted to look at A Little Green, Nogrod and Sally, but time is running out.

I will say now that, unless I can find some compelling reason to do otherwise, I will vote for either Mac, Rikae or Sally.

Mac sounded horribly wolfish at the start of the Day. But if anything, Rikae was even worse later, what with all the thrashing around and the sophistry. I mean, sure, all three Agan–voters might easily have been innocent. But the rest of us can hardly be expected to assume that! (see #184)

On the other hand, she was under fire from Menel from the start of the Day, and other people, so maybe she just panicked. The frustration in her last posts sounds rather genuine.

Sally continues to confuse the hell out of me, and I don’t like either her original explanation of her Shasta-vote, or the new improved version.

So... which?

Edit: X'd with Nogrod, Sally and Nogrod again.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, sure, all three Agan–voters might easily have been innocent. But the rest of us can hardly be expected to assume that! (see #184)

So you assume there must be wolves there? And you accuse me of sophistry...

EDIT: x'd with Sally... whoa.

[Nogrod]

Gwath's choice of Aganzir yesterDay in the end of the Day is neatly safe as Rikae suggested. I also find her tune

Originally Posted by Gwath #194

Rikae seems to be in a bit of a panic; at any rate, she's posted a lot in the last hour or so. Is this because she is innocent? Or is it because I struck a nerve in post #181?

quite bad. Like a wolf who gets a bit carried away seeing his target in trouble. Just adding wood into the fire without actually committing anything? The wolves love to do this kind of pushes.

In #183 he says, answering why LG voted for him:

Originally Posted by Gwath

Also, I have been a little erratic thus far; the newbie mask would fit a wolf very well.

I do find it interesting that he first of all goes on to explain why LG voted him (McCaber had been suspecting LG for her vote) and this self-conscious talk about newbie mask fitting a wolf looks... well, odd.


I still dislike the way Sally changed her "random vote" to a "deliberate pick causing the least damage" after the Night had passed. Like she was advised or tohught the bettr of it after eeing how much she was susected because of that random vote.

Oh my... so little time left. Ideas anyone? We should not wrtie novels at this time as no one has time to read them until later.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Noggie

I still dislike the way Sally changed her "random vote" to a "deliberate pick causing the least damage" after the Night had passed. Like she was advised or tohught the bettr of it after eeing how much she was susected because of that random vote.

I'm sick of explaining myself for that, because I didn't do anything wrong. So I'm not doing it anymore. If you don't like the way my brain works when I'm ill, kill me. Sorry to be rude, but I've had about enough of people finding me suspicious because I found my recovery sleep more important than explaining a vote which I'd already sort of explained. Hehe. That and I'm really not a morning person. *shuts up about it for now*



I just can't decide, and I need to because if I don't leave in like ten minutes I'll be late for work. Any last minute weigh-ins from the group? After all, the deadline is in twenty minutes and there have been only two votes. Come on people, don't delay too much. *mutters* Like I should talk....

[Rikae]

Well – Legate:

First, the “repeatedly” about the vote count. It may have been a mistake, but it could also be a way of wording the intro to the corrected vote count to insinuate it was deliberately posted wrong.

Originally Posted by Legate

I am aware of the fact that it might have suited a wolf to raise such a last minute bandwaggon - and imagine what would've happened if for example Aganzir were a Seer

I see what Legate's saying now. I read this at first as a suggestion that Aganzir was lynched for looking seerish (since he already said he suspected her voters), but now I see he's referring to the fact that she couldn't have revealed at the last minute if she were, right? My mistake.

This is contradictory:

Originally Posted by Legate

I believe the sentence is clear: I am inclined to think Lommy was killed simply to leave no track, and as side effect, you eliminated a person who suspected you.

Then there's this stuff:

Originally Posted by Legate

Here Mac speaks about Rikae. I know, there are these RL things - but come on, defending each other in this way? This is just not normal and I don't like the idea of these two really being wolves together.

This sentence does two things – brings up the “RL things” and dismisses them. That way he can both discredit and suspect at once... very nice for a wolf who hopes to get one, but better both, of us lynched.

But, having gone over Legate's posts again, I've come to the conclusion that the main thing that I find creepy about him is not so much what he says, as what he doesn't say. He follows other people's track (he seems to have predetermined that Mac would be an easy lynch toDay) or says uncontroversial things. I'm used to a more verbose, and more helpful, Legate.

EDIT: Spacing, x'd with Noggie, Sally, Nerwen

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

But, having gone over Legate's posts again, I've come to the conclusion that the main thing that I find creepy about him is not so much what he says, as what he doesn't say. He follows other people's track (he seems to have predetermined that Mac would be an easy lynch toDay) or says uncontroversial things. I'm used to a more verbose, and more helpful, Legate.

I do agree with this point.

Cool down Sally. Please. It's just a game after all.

[satansaloser2005]

Cool down Sally. Please. It's just a game after all.

Mehe don't I know it. I'm just angry that....oh, never mind. I'm not going to rant any longer. Whatever the outcome, I hope you all enjoy the rest of the game. Hopefully I'll be able to see you all the next Day, and hopefully with one less werewolf than we currently have. I'm out. Need to get to work in a couple minutes anyway.

P.S. Sorry, folks. I told Shasta I'd wake him, but he didn't respond to my IMs, so I'm guessing he's still asleep. Which is good, because if he has what I had, he feels like crap right now, so he needs it.


EDIT: Extra P.S. Won't be around for the first several hours of the next Day. My first class starts at nine (DL), and I don't know if I'll be able to get on for sure until six in the evening. Just a heads up so no one wonders where I've scampered off to.

[Macalaure]

My preference lies with Legate or Nerwen. Sally appears very innocent near the deadline, and I wouldn't like to see Rikae lynched either, and me the least.

[Nogrod]

After we see who will in the end turn out and actually vote we'll be much more wiser as to who were hiding at the last moments.

But the fact is I'm not very happy with any of the candidates right now. Of those three I'd pick Mac though.

[Nogrod]

It's not your brain-functions r recovery sleeps Sally but the fact that you first claimed it to be a random vote and then changed the reason for the vote later into a "safe for the village" vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, that's it. Expletiving kill me! I'm an ordo, a plain, simple, snazzy ordo, but you are wasting your time discussing me, and I'd much rather see you talk about and find the wolves, so get me out of the way so you can stop babbling about "she's an idiot" and talk about someone else. And be nice to Shasta when he gets on. I'd hate to see you all pick on him because he's sick too. So yeah. I've said it. KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DARE YOU!!!!

[satansaloser2005]

And in the meantime, I'm going to leave you with what will probably be my last vote. I don't want to add someone else to the mix fifteen minutes before deadline, and I DO find her a bit on the suspicious side, so I'll have to vote for:

++Rikae.


My apologies love. I know you're being picked on too. But like I said, I do find your actions yesterday a bit odd, and I won't have a snipe of a bandwagon like we had yesterday. So it's got to be you. Good luck, because you'll probably survive anyway. And thank you for defending me, by the way, in the little capacity that you did. I appreciate that you saw that I've been acting the way I was because (yet again, people) I've had an extremely high fever and haven't been able to think straight, and now that I sort of can I tried to explain myself to the village in a more coherent manner, but they just won't have it. Feel free to vote me to save yourself. Apparently you're a much better player than I am anyway. G'luck!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gwath's choice of Aganzir yesterDay in the end of the Day is neatly safe as Rikae suggested.

Yes, he bears looking at. I wish I'd been able to pay more attention toDay. I'd like to hear Legate explain his reasoning at #166 (on Lommy). I'd also like Nogrod to explain that apparent self-contradiction I noticed.

But I can't dither anymore. I'm too afraid of mising the deadline and getting modfired.

Here goes:

++Macalaure.

Edit X'd with everyone since Sally at #245.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

So you assume there must be wolves there? And you accuse me of sophistry.

No, Rikae. By no means. I'd said we can't assume there aren't.

Originally Posted by Rikae

But, having gone over Legate's posts again, I've come to the conclusion that the main thing that I find creepy about him is not so much what he says, as what he doesn't say. He follows other people's track (he seems to have predetermined that Mac would be an easy lynch toDay) or says uncontroversial things. I'm used to a more verbose, and more helpful, Legate.

I agree. I'm not saying I think he's necessarily innocent– but I'd want a hell of a lot more to go on before I start calling someone suspicious.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No, Rikae. By no means. I'd said we can't assume there aren't.

Well, then you're misrepresenting me.

(By the way, my vote above crossed with Nerwen)