Elrond and Sauron, a personal vendetta?

[Aganzir]

Sauron was just a representative of Melkor in the Second and the Third Age, and I think that was enough of a reason for the elves to hate him. Each of Galadriel's brothers was killed by Melkor's minions (Finrod by Sauron), as were also her uncles and most of her cousins. And think what happened to Celebrían.

If we're talking about personal vendettas here, Galadriel would have had much more reasons for that than Elrond.

[Elmo]

Elrond's wife was tortured by orcs, and that made her go across the sea. That wasn't Sauron directly but Elrond would blame him.

[Aganzir]

Oops. I forgot Celebrían was Elrond's wife as well.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I don't see why Elrond would blame Sauron for his wifes misfortune. . .what I mean is that I have a hard time picturing Elrond sitting at home saying "curse you Sauron, how could you do this to us"

I simply do not think that there is this personal level in the hatred between the two sides, surely you fear somebody more than others, but I do not think that Elrond hates Sauron more than he hates the Witchking. . .Sauron is the most powerful so he becomes the main foe; even if Sauron had been an orc cheiftain directly responsible for the torure of Elronds wife, I doubt he would hold a special hate.

It is not as if some random person does something bad to you. . .Elrond and all elves already hated the orcs and had been fighting them and the rest of Morgoth's creatures for thousands of years.

If there ever was a personal hatred it was towards Morgoth.

[Dwarven Warrior]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I don't see why Elrond would blame Sauron for his wifes misfortune. . .what I mean is that I have a hard time picturing Elrond sitting at home saying "curse you Sauron, how could you do this to us"

Well, wasn't Sauron responsible for that, or in the very least Sauron's servants?

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

If there ever was a personal hatred it was towards Morgoth.

Morgoth is out of the way, he's already being punished for his sins. Sauron on the other hand is still alive and working against not only him but also his entire race!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Dwarven Warrior

Well, wasn't Sauron responsible for that, or in the very least Sauron's servants?

Were all the orcs Sauron's servants all the time? I don't think so. They fought for Sauron but that doesn't mean he commanded every single orc that lived in the Misty Mountains and other places.

Originally Posted by Dwarven Warrior

Morgoth is out of the way, he's already being punished for his sins. Sauron on the other hand is still alive and working against not only him but also his entire race!

Melkor was the one to start it all. If not for Melkor, would Sauron still be happily in Aman, serving Aulë? Maybe. If a criminal attacks you and robs all your money, do you hate him more than the boss of the gang whose fault the attack, after all, was?

Originally Posted by Groin

True, very true. I did say that there were exceptions, but I doubt she could be as mean spirited as Elrond could have been.

Bah. Elrond is a timid girl compared to Galadriel.
(No need to start arguing about that, I know the facts.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Dwarven Warrior

Well, wasn't Sauron responsible for that, or in the very least Sauron's servants?



Morgoth is out of the way, he's already being punished for his sins. Sauron on the other hand is still alive and working against not only him but also his entire race!

We don't know if the orcs of the Misty Mountains was under Sauron's command or not, personaly I don't think they took direct orders from him. I always saw them as an independent force that naturaly was on the same side as Sauron as they where all former minions of Morgoth.

I never knew that you could commit sins in Arda. . .and I don't belive Morgoth is dead. Anyways, if you had a strugle with Morgoth and therefor hated him and he then got killed, would you then naturally transfer your personal hatred to Sauron?

If someone else rose to power, someone like Saruman and Sauron became his servant, would Elrond still hate Sauron the most? If he did then yes, it would be personal, but if not then he just hates who ever is his most powerful enemy.

I don't know if that confused more than it elaborated, I hope it helped. . . Anyways I still I don't see any reason or indication that Elrond hates Sauron more than any other evil of Middle-Earth.

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Elmo

Elrond's wife was tortured by orcs, and that made her go across the sea. That wasn't Sauron directly but Elrond would blame him.

Exactly. I would definitely say Elrond had a personal vendetta with Sauron. In any case his sons definitely did, Elladan and Elrohir...