Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[satansaloser2005]

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-23 11:10
Title : Hmmm...
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My head hurts... This is doing no good to me.

I will be online right after the deadline but then it will take ages til I get online next time. With bad luck, I will be able to be online about 8-9pm GMT and then next time a bit before 2pm the next day... so I'm afraid it might mess up some plans.

And now this seer-thing is getting more complicated. I like this idea:

Another idea is to go with the sacrifice Valier plan...have maybe Aganzir start accusations and suddenly Lommy jumps on board. If people still are focused on lynching Lommy, then Lommy could reveal as a seer exposing Valier. And as mentioned, she could say she didn't dream Nogrod because she assumed Might innocent, therefore the former guilty. People would argue whether to lynch Valier or Nogrod...they'd probably choose Valier since she was the one dreamt of. Once proven a wolf, people would actually believe Lommy, so if they lynched Nogrod next and proved him innocent, they'd think it was an honest mistake. And since we could leave the possibility two protectors, she could keep this up for sometime.

Even though there is a major problem to this. I couldn't expose Valier because if I were a real seer I would only know that she's not an ordo. And there's nothing that would heavily point at her being a wolf so this is a bit difficult... can any of you think of a way to avoid this problem?

Originally Posted by Brinn

The only problem is that if Lommy reveals, the real seers might reveal too. The risk of that is people might believe them and lynch Lommy...though the advantage everyone could just assume with her guilt, Valier must be innocent (therefore she should be protected).

I don't think they will reveal. There is probably two of them, so they can't automatically assume I'm a fake.

Originally Posted by Brinn

If we wanted complete chaos, another thing we could do if a real seer reveals in reaction to Lommy is that Valier could reveal as a seer too in retaliation exposing Lommy as a wolf. Then we could have up to four people claiming seership...two would be wolves accurately declaring each other wolves. Who would expect that?

Yes, if they reveal then we should definitely do that.

Originally Posted by Agan

The only problem is that I'm not going to be around at the beginning of the day (first I'm sleeping and then at school). But I see what the situation looks like when I come and decide then what to do.

Brinn, are you around early? If yes, could you start the suspicion against Valier?

As to a code phrase... if I need advice whether to come out as a seer or not, I'll ask if anyone wants to supply me with fresh squirrel heads for my footbags as th ones I have are all rotten. Say "yes" if you think yes and "no" if you think no. I'll try to write a bit in-character in all posts so that won't be coming out of the blue. Sounds ok? (And WARNING, I might ask if someone wants to play footbag with me, but then it's just ic nonsense... )

I think I will phrase vague suspicions about Valier and Ka, in a seerish manner but not in a similar manner and so I can always refer back to either of them if I need it.

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm alright if you reveal Ka a non-ordo - even though it will look like you're protecting me when you're killed and your role revealed. Well, double bluff then.

Aye, possible, but it might also point to Ka being a wolf.

Originally Posted by Agan

It was initially the same reason why I think Nog is a gifted - but I'm not sure if Nog finds gifteds or contribution more worthy.

Yes, but when considering Nogrod, I think one must take into account that TM seemed very very ordoish.

Originally Posted by Sally

And I think that Lommie should defend at least one innocent.

No... because it's going to be very difficult to guess who's an ordo because there's just 3 of them.

-Lommy

P.S. I haven't seen Volo today so I haven't been able to ask him anything. I'll be stalking in MSN and waiting for him to come online and if he doesn't show up I can always call him or send him an SMS.

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-23 12:44
Title : In conclusion - my tactics
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I will quarrel with Nogrod the whole Day (not looking forward to it ) and if/as it seems everybody's suspecting me I'll come out as the seer and "prove" Nogrod is a wolf and say I know one non-ordo and ask if the others want me to tell the name. If they want, I'll say Valier and the next Day we act according to Aganzir's plan. Sounds ok?

As to other things, I think we shouldn't necessarily make the Valier-wagon now, but rather on Day2 and wait how does my possible seer-stuff work out. If anyone feels we should start the Valier-wagon, what about suggesting it by referring to her own horoscope in the character bio? (Ooh, I love this code language.)

-Lommy

P.S. Brinn's PM inbox is full. I'll send this message to her via facebook private message system, let's hope she checks in there.

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From : Brinniel
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-23 12:53
Title : Re: Hmmm...
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Originally Posted by Lommy

Even though there is a major problem to this. I couldn't expose Valier because if I were a real seer I would only know that she's not an ordo. And there's nothing that would heavily point at her being a wolf so this is a bit difficult... can any of you think of a way to avoid this problem?

That's a good point...for some reason I was thinking Volo would simply tell the seer whether the person was innocent or not, but no further. But it could be that he only tells the seer whether they are ordinary or not (which would make things more difficult for the seers). Perhaps you should ask Volo and check which one that it would be...

If it's what you think (the ordinary or not thing), still do everything to try to avoid getting lynched...even reveal if you must (though it'd probably be better if you didn't have to). Then we can continue with our plan on Day 2 if all goes well.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't think they will reveal. There is probably two of them, so they can't automatically assume I'm a fake.

Another good point. That could work to our advantage...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Brinn, are you around early? If yes, could you start the suspicion against Valier?

I suppose I could try...the only problem is that on Day 0.6 I clearly stated that I suspected Menel more. Either Menel has to say something innocentish or Valier something suspicious (and I'd rather not have her gather too much suspicion from non-wolves) for me to suspect her without looking wolfish myself .

Originally Posted by Lommy

As to a code phrase... if I need advice whether to come out as a seer or not, I'll ask if anyone wants to supply me with fresh squirrel heads for my footbags as th ones I have are all rotten. Say "yes" if you think yes and "no" if you think no. I'll try to write a bit in-character in all posts so that won't be coming out of the blue. Sounds ok? (And WARNING, I might ask if someone wants to play footbag with me, but then it's just ic nonsense... )

Sounds good. Though if I do this, I might not answer yes or no directly to the question...you might have to actually look for it in my post (trying to be discreet here). I like all these codes, lol.

So here's my list of suggestions for toMorrow:

-Aganzir, try to make a case against Valier if you can...especially if I do one and mine doesn't look like a strong one
-Lommy, do as you said and act seerish particularly towards Valier
-If you need to or we advice it, reveal yourself as a seer, Lommy
-Valier, if (either toMorrow or Day 2) Lommy, reveals herself as the seer and exposes you as possibly evil, reveal yourself as a seer to....but ONLY if you look threatened to be lynched or a second real seer reveals. (Btw, I agree you should "dream" of Menel toNight)
-Aganzir, Sally, and me need to help sway things, but without drawing attention to ourselves. I agree we should try to avoid wavering too much...at least when we're talking about each other. If both Lommy and Valier reveal, we need to disbelieve one of them. It doesn't matter who- we don't have to hop on the same bandwagon...as long as we don't waver too much and strongly pursue one of them. I don't think the innocents would expect us to actually want to lynch a wolf, so we should really should just attack each other (not all at once though) instead of feeling neutral. Bold, is the key word here.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Volo said he tries not to show in the narrations who was killed by whom. Also, he's not going to tell the roles of the night kills in public. So if a guardian kills Lommy the next night, it will hopefully remain disputable whether she was a wolf or a seer.

Good. I was really hoping we'd have at least that.

Originally Posted by Sally

Am I the only one in the game who doesn't know anybody else in RL? Seriously, poor little college students in Nebraska get lonely sometimes....*fake cry*

Heh, no. Well, at least not yet...
It just sometimes seems that way because of the growing number in Lommy's clan. You see, apparently Nogrod, Volo, Aganzir, and Greenie are evidence of how persuasive Lommy can be. Beware.

-Brinn

(P.S. Just got 3 new PMs as I wrote this. Geez, I'm reaching my quota fast... )

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From : Brinniel
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-23 13:34
Title : Good luck!
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Alright everyone, I think we've done everything we can do right now. We have ideas and possible scenarios, and all we can do is wing it from there. I love our crazy plans and I think if we play this well, we have just as a fair shot of winning as the innocents do. And even if we do lose, at least we can manage to mess with their heads.

I had lots of fun plotting toNight. In the last few games I was a wolf, I've had problems with having my mates get killed on the first Days and other communication issues. I'm glad to see that's not the case so far...everyone here is quite vocal and even if one of us dies early on, there'll still be four left.

Anyways, I just wanted to wish everyone good luck for toMorrow. We should be able to totally play these innocents.

And just a reminder: While there is a good chance I may bring my laptop to Belgium with me, I'll be limited to posting during the later hours. This means I probably can only post during the beginning of Night 2 and Day 2...though hopefully I should be back for the beginning and end of Night 3. Most likely, I'll be voting early on toMorrow since I don't know if I'll be back for the deadline (don't know if it'll be for a wolf or innocent...we'll see what happens). I'll post something on the admin thread, once I know whether or not I'm taking my laptop for sure...

Okay, hope to talk to everyone again tomorrow Night!

-Brinn

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-23 13:54
Title :
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Good luck to you all as well!

And just to be clear, there will be no coded messages in my first post, so even if I manage to mess all up and make it sound like that, it is not so.

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-24 14:03
Title : !!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm laughing hysterically.

If there's no other guardian, they can't kill me before Day3!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, we might actually win.

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From : Valier
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-24 14:39
Title : ladies
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OMG I missed the whole day!!! Hope everything went ok and I didn't mess up any of our plans. I will have to read the thread to see what's up, can one of you ladies fill me in as to what happened?
Did we carry out any of our plans? did anything work? what all happened?

Also what are our plans for tomorrow and who shall we kill tonight?

Oh yes while I remember I made a list of the gifteds (who I think)

I think Legate was a gifted
McCaber is 100% a gifted. I know Naria and she is not gifted. she is 110% an Ordo
I think Ka could be
Nog is of course a gifted
Kath I am sure is the gifted
I think Groin may have been gifted
and I think Isabel is a Seer

This may change as I get more info and read the thread

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From : Valier
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-24 14:46
Title : !!!!!!!!
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OMG ladies!!! I was the random choice of villager to get the pm telling me that Nogrod was indeed the Guardian.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!!!! since we were fortunate enough to get this info and not an ordo or gifted. Lommy you can use this to help you tomorrow no? I've started reading and Lommy if you said you received the pm revealing the lynch, no one could dispute you. If they do we know they are lying since I was the one who got it.....does this make sense?


Sorry I got excited when I read it!!! Volo thinks we are going to win!! LOL I am sure we can use this for wicked purposes. what say all of you?

Ok I'm going back to read....I'll be around

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From : Valier
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-24 15:10
Title : whoah
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Ok I got ahead of myself....didn't read everything. I guess my knowing that Nog was indeed a Guardian doesn't help us, since we know he was because of Rikae dying. I'm not sure if we can use this.

I was thinking....do you think I should come out tommorow as the Ranger? LOL just burn menel's butt!!

I've got so many things running through my mind at the moment I think I'll sit and chew on it for a bit. Hope to hear from you all. I am sure we can win this!!

Oh and I say that we should kill either Isabel, McCaber or Kath. I think kath and Is are the seers and I am SURE MCaber is a gifted, what? I'm not sure.

P.S Lommy I say your codes in your one post...I laughed!! Footbagging and watching the stars?LOL

Not sure if anyone else answered direct like or added codes but this will be hilarious to tell when the game is over!!!

LOL!!! GO FEMME FATALES!!!!!
I am sure they are gifted. I think


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From : satansaloser2005
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, Valier
Date : 2008-01-24 19:11
Title : Re: !!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Valier

OMG ladies!!! I was the random choice of villager to get the pm telling me that Nogrod was indeed the Guardian.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!!!! since we were fortunate enough to get this info and not an ordo or gifted. Lommy you can use this to help you tomorrow no? I've started reading and Lommy if you said you received the pm revealing the lynch, no one could dispute you. If they do we know they are lying since I was the one who got it.....does this make sense?


Sorry I got excited when I read it!!! Volo thinks we are going to win!! LOL I am sure we can use this for wicked purposes. what say all of you?

Ok I'm going back to read....I'll be around

*squeals in delight* Okay I havent' actually gotten to read the thread yet but I phoned one of my friends on the way back to campus (ah I love lurkers) and she told me the tremendous news. So we says to ourselves, "If one of us wolfiekinses gets the Noggie pm, wouldn't that be hysterical?" And WOW!!!!!!! This is like, molten awesome! Okay I need to go read the thread and see what transpired. I'm sure there's much kudos due to you all for your lovely skillehz after I'd left for the day. Okay I really need to go read the thread now. Expect another PM soon! and again....WOW! This is beyond coolness!


P.S. Lommie's inbox is full just as an FYI in case you haven't tried to send her something already.

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From : satansaloser2005
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, Valier
Date : 2008-01-24 19:21
Title : Re: whoah
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Originally Posted by Valier

Ok I got ahead of myself....didn't read everything. I guess my knowing that Nog was indeed a Guardian doesn't help us, since we know he was because of Rikae dying. I'm not sure if we can use this.

I was thinking....do you think I should come out tommorow as the Ranger? LOL just burn menel's butt!!

I've got so many things running through my mind at the moment I think I'll sit and chew on it for a bit. Hope to hear from you all. I am sure we can win this!!

Oh and I say that we should kill either Isabel, McCaber or Kath. I think kath and Is are the seers and I am SURE MCaber is a gifted, what? I'm not sure.

P.S Lommy I say your codes in your one post...I laughed!! Footbagging and watching the stars?LOL

Not sure if anyone else answered direct like or added codes but this will be hilarious to tell when the game is over!!!

LOL!!! GO FEMME FATALES!!!!!
I am sure they are gifted. I think

*giggles, snorts, and eventually laughs herself into a tizzy* Okay, first of all, I forgot about Rikae being Noggie's guardian pick, so that indeed kind of negates Val's PM. But still, that means there's hope of the rest of us maybe getting access to a seer's role or something of the sort. By the way, what the heck is up with Rikae being the pick anyway? (yeah I obviously still haven't read the thread. I'm a Foat, what can I say?) NOt that I'm complaining, because I expected to come back from work this evening and find Lommie dead, one way or another. But no! We all live! Huzzah!



Who to pick tonight by the way? I'll have to compile my own little who's-who list in a bit, but I'm so in awe of the turnout of today's events I'm just not in the mind to concentrate on tonight's activities right at this point. *is stoked*


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From : Brinniel
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-24 19:32
Title : Omg
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I was so shocked when Noggie actually hunted Rikae. I can see why he did it...to leave one known wolf to lynch and take down another. But lucky for us, Rikae was not a wolf.

It wouldn't be exactly fair if there were two guardians since it's a pretty powerful position. So I hopeNoggie was the only one.

Are you planning to choose to be protected Day 3, Lommy? If you were, you could really mess with people's heads. No one would know when your lying or telling the truth. Everyone will know you're guilty, but they wouldn't be able to lynch you. Even better, if you could somehow make the deciding vote, then you'd be protected again (though that may be difficult to do).

Another idea:

If you are worried about a guardian, you could protect yourself for toNight. Most people will expect you to protect yourself during the Day, so they might not even try to lynch you.

I don't really have much more advice for Lommy, except really try to mess with these people in whatever way you can. Mix up the truth and the lies so that they don't know what to think.

Valier- Whatever you do I would suggest NOT revealing as a gifted, but to remain ordinary looking. While you may look suspicious, a lot of people aren't too sure Menel is telling the truth...so he might eventually end up getting lynched. If Menel was lynched and revealed and people believed it, you will head down the same road Lommy is about to. Otherwise, even if Menel died, some people may think the wolf is Legate. (I would actually suggest believing Menel and calling out Legate as a dead wolf...that would look more innocentish)

As for the rest of us, I think I'm the only one who did gather any real suspicion yesterDay (wow). Hopefully I can stay under-the-radar since I won't be able to get online much toMorrow anyway (I worry people might look at me more with Noggie's innocence...hopefully not). Anyways since we're already sort of suspicious, I still think the best way for at least one of us to survive is to viciously attack each other. It'll be wild and fun...we might get one of us killed, but surely at least one (or two) of us would survive looking rather innocent. This is an outrageous game...so we can only play outrageously. So I say we do what they won't expect and actually try to lynch each other. And if some innocent gets killed in the middle of it...all the better. No one will listen to Lommy, but there's still four of us unknown who can manipulate the others so that they will trust at least a couple of us...

Who to kill?

One choice would be Kath. Because she didn't really stand out toDay...did anyone suspect her (I can't remember)? Plus, I think she is probably a gifted. The only problem is killing her could incriminate Sally.

Another choice is Naria. If I recall, she didn't even really show up toDay, plus her death won't incriminate any living wolf...an easy kill.

Izzy is a possibility...we still don't know if Rikae turned out to be a gifted or not. But if Izzy is, and Rikae's ordinary role is revealed, Izzy probably will know she'll most likely be the next kill and reveal.

Izzy's my first choice, and Naria would be my second.

I have to go to bed now, and I don't know if I'll be back before the Day...I'll try to get online in the morning. Btw, I might not be able to PM Night 3 until the last few hours. I think I only get 15 min of internet in Bruges...only long enough to read the Day's events.

If I'm not back, good luck toMorrow!

(And be very evil Lommy. )

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From : Aganzir
To : Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 08:01
Title : Hey ho
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That was just wonderful. The day worked out much better than I had even dared to hope.

Keep in mind that the village doesn't know we have a chance to win tomorrow! They probably assume Rikae was a wolf (given the narration & that Nog's instincts are usually quite good) and we can encourage them to think believe so, though it will probably be appropriate to remind them that if she wasn't a wolf and they lynch an innocent, they'll win.

We have two chances to win now (in case a nasty ranger doesn't stop us tonight):
*we try to get an innocent lynched. It's risky because of the possible seer dreams. But if even one innocent votes another innocent, we can happily join the bandwagon and they don't have a chance.
*Lommy will choose to be protected tomorrow and we try to get her lynched. No lynch occurs and we win the next night if there's no ranger save. It's risky because of the possibility of another guardian who'd be after her tonight.

Everybody probably expects she'll be protected tomorrow so even if she decided to play it safe and choose to be protected tonight, I'm not sure if they'll risk lynching her. But if she isn't protected tonight and there's still a guardian, our bandwagoning possibilities weaken at once.

Originally Posted by Valier

I think Legate was a gifted
McCaber is 100% a gifted. I know Naria and she is not gifted. she is 110% an Ordo
I think Ka could be
Nog is of course a gifted
Kath I am sure is the gifted
I think Groin may have been gifted
and I think Isabel is a Seer

Well, Legate looked a bit desperate when you lynched him... But I wonder why Menel would be lying? I agree about Ka - could she be the other ranger? If she was a seer, would she be considering me innocentish just to fool us? I don't really know about her.
I think Rikae was a cobbler, and therefore Isabell couldn't be a seer. But of course I'm not sure about Rikae. She just struck me as one.

Originally Posted by Val

OMG ladies!!! I was the random choice of villager to get the pm telling me that Nogrod was indeed the Guardian.

That's just wonderful. Only a pity that Nog happened to get the only role which can be quite easily recognised even without the pm.
Anyway, now it's more than obvious that Lommy is a wolf, so no one minds if she wants to tease the villagers a little. She could say she received Nog's role and he was a werewolf. Hopefully would distract at least a couple of villagers enough to make them wonder why Rikae died too.

Originally Posted by sally

By the way, what the heck is up with Rikae being the pick anyway?

I'm not sure, but to me it looks like Rikae sacrificed herself for us. She must have realised Lommy is a wolf and thus she had Nog suspect her.
Or then I'm interpreting everything in a way that backs up my Rikae-was-a-cobbler theory...

Originally Posted by Brinn

Valier- Whatever you do I would suggest NOT revealing as a gifted, but to remain ordinary looking.

Lommy said she dreamed of her and found her a non-ordo, and that might get the seer after her tonight... Just because they can't know if Lommy's bluffing or double-bluffing.
But unless the seer dreamt of Valier already on night 1, they can't know anything for sure. I'd suggest trying to look like an ordo but coming out as a gifted if there's someone who's all of a sudden suspicious of you.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Anyways since we're already sort of suspicious, I still think the best way for at least one of us to survive is to viciously attack each other. It'll be wild and fun...we might get one of us killed, but surely at least one (or two) of us would survive looking rather innocent. This is an outrageous game...so we can only play outrageously. So I say we do what they won't expect and actually try to lynch each other. And if some innocent gets killed in the middle of it...all the better.

It's not the best situation now to try to get any of us lynched. Tomorrow may well be our only chance of winning because after that the number of known innocents will really start growing. So we should be making cases against suspicious players, such as McCaber, Zali, Menel...
And if possible, we should hold our votes. This will probably be a little difficult at least to Brinn, but if possible, try? And if there's even one innocent voting another innocent, vote the same innocent.

Hey, what about Valier coming aggressively out as a seer in her first post tomorrow and thereby judging Menel a liar?

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We must choose a kill who won't be protected, and that's the most important thing right now.

Ka. She's creepy. I get the impression she's trusting me but at the same time knows my role and is chuckling by herself while posting... Her distrust in Menel is a good thing. Could she be a cobbler? Why am I seeing cobblers everywhere? I see I was traumatized by tp's game...
If you guys want to kill her, I have nothing against it.

Caber. I think we might have chances to get him lynched. He's been rather suspected anyway.

Menel. He's not believed by everyone. I wouldn't be surprised to find him protected tonight... Unless the other ranger doesn't trust him. I'm just trying to figure out what killing him would mean to Valier. We must bear in mind that Lommy said she's not an ordo, and that could point either at her being Lommy's fellow or a randomly chosen person... I think, though, that it'd be better if we didn't draw too much attention to their trial day team now.

Kath. I'd actually prefer killing her at the moment. She lists Lommy, Valier, Cab and Ka as wolves - everybody except Ka have been somewhat suspected. We could stir up some discussion tomorrow why she was killed, and the kill wouldn't leave too many tracks back to us.

Naria. I trust Val's judgement of her more than my own. I'm alright with killing her, though I think it would be better if we managed to kill a gifted tonight.

Azaelia. Would be a good kill no one expects. But on the other hand, I guess it'd be possible to lynch her. She suggested voting for Nog but voted Cab instead. She could be seen as a possible threat for Valier, but if we would subtly frame Cab, she might be a good choice. What do you think, especially Brinn, whom killing her probably concerns the most?

Isabell. I guess Rikae's role is told only to Nog, so it doesn't really matter? Anyway, if the villagers assume Rikae was a wolf, the ranger might think we'll be after Izzie tonight and protect her. I don't think she's too big a threat for me at the moment, I guess I'm considered pretty innocent in general.

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So, some kind of a strategy would be useful for tomorrow as well. I think we need a way to inform one another whom we consider a nice lynchee... Anything permanent can't be decided now since we don't know if there are gifteds who want to have a say on tomorrow's happenings. So what about the following: the first person we mention in a post that has a Sting icon (the same as in the title of my PM) in its title is the one we'd like to get lynched? Or would the villagers realise what we are doing?

**

I'll email Lommy the PMs that were sent while her inbox was full.

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From : Valier
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-25 10:39
Title : hi
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I think we should kill Kath maybe tonight...who of us is going to send our kill to Volo? I think it needs to be in an hour before the deadline. I can send it...but who r we killing?

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From : Brinniel
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 10:51
Title : Re: Hey ho
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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Anyway, now it's more than obvious that Lommy is a wolf, so no one minds if she wants to tease the villagers a little. She could say she received Nog's role and he was a werewolf. Hopefully would distract at least a couple of villagers enough to make them wonder why Rikae died too.

Haha, I love that idea.

Maybe Lommy should also reveal Valier is a wolf. Since everyone knows she's evil, I doubt they'd pay any attention. Do you think they'd assume Lommy would by lying...or is this too risky?

Valier, I agree with Aganzir, don't come forward as a gifted unless you seriously suspect someone has dreamt of you.

Btw, I think Lommy, you should protect yourself toNight. It's a risk, but chances are that people will assume you chose the Day and won't bother to try to lynch you.

It's not the best situation now to try to get any of us lynched.

Alright, I agree. It's probably not best we do it yet since we have the upperhand now anyway. But if two or more of us (aside from Lommy), then we should attack each other (meaning no wavering). If one of us absolutely has to get lynched, it'd be smart to make another wolf look responsible to contributing to that lynch.

And if possible, we should hold our votes. This will probably be a little difficult at least to Brinn, but if possible, try?

Well, I have free internet access at the B&B I'm at now in Brussels, but once I get to Bruges I'll only have 15min of free internet at the hostel (at least that's what I read...and I don't want to pay). Of course, it's possible I could snag free wireless from elsewhere, but even then I don't know if I'll have time before the deadline. I was planning to vote early tomorrow morning (my timezone's GMT +1), but would you rather I not? I could not vote then and see if I can get back online in time, and if not just have a no-vote. I'm not sure about that though because the odds of me making it back are slim...and choosing not to vote seems a bit unsportly-like. I don't know...what do you guys think?

As for the kill:

While I agree Rikae seemed cobblerish, there's still a chance we could be wrong. If Izzy is a seer, she could become quite dangerous. The only worry about picking her is that she may be protected.

I'd be happy to kill Kath, but I worry how Sally will look afterwards since a lot of people assume Gil was innocent...

Naria would be the safest choice...she may not be a gifted, but she might make McCaber more lynchable.

So what about the following: the first person we mention in a post that has a Sting icon (the same as in the title of my PM) in its title is the one we'd like to get lynched? Or would the villagers realise what we are doing?

But isn't the Sting icon the default icon? I'd probably forget to take it off my other posts...then you guys would think there's a code when there's really not. How about if the code was with no icon? That might be more subtle than a different icon. Should Lommy join in on the code? I feel like since everyone knows she's a wolf, they'll be watching her every move to see if she gives us any hints. (On that note...maybe Lommy should somehow look like she giving her mates hints, but to innocent...I don't know how that'd work, but it could throw them off.)

I'm not going to have time to reply to any more PMs before the deadline...so this'll be my last one for toNight. Whoever you choose to kill, pick well. And good luck!

-Brinn

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From : Valier
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-25 11:02
Title : vote
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I just got a call from my boss...I have to work earlier than I thought. I won't be able to send in our vote.

I am hoping one of you will be on before the deadline to send it.

I say kill either Kath or Naria. Whoever is around then, kill whoever you think would be good. there is 3 hours left before deadline, whoever sends in the vote, pm us and let us all know.

Good luck today ladies!!

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 11:33
Title : Re: vote
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Originally Posted by Valier

I just got a call from my boss...I have to work earlier than I thought. I won't be able to send in our vote.

I am hoping one of you will be on before the deadline to send it.

I say kill either Kath or Naria. Whoever is around then, kill whoever you think would be good. there is 3 hours left before deadline, whoever sends in the vote, pm us and let us all know.

Good luck today ladies!!

I will be around and I guess Agan will be too, at least.

I'm currently working with a longer PM, you should get it soon.

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 11:58
Title : Buenas Noches, mis amigas
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I'm so sorry it took this long for me to gather myself and actually write you something. Anyway, I'm here now.

If Volo says no one will know which protection I choose, I will take Night just to be sure, if he says people will know it, I'll say Day. I think someone of you should say it aloud that there's no use lynching me since I'm immortal. It needs to be stated early.

Anyway, as soon as one single innocent votes another, we can jump on the wagon (provided that none of us has voted) and win the game.

And I suggest that if a Defender comes forward, some of you comes out as a Defender as well and challenges the claim or something like that. The most important thing is that we shouldn't let the Defenders get a grasp on the village. Don't "trust" revealing gifteds too easily, if at all. Gifted McCaber should be challenged or discredited immediately and made an easy lynch. Agreed?

As for me, don't trust a thing I say, except my vote. I will try to cause as much chaos as I can. If I for some odd reason, want to say something serious to you, I will use use the pint icon in the post and the phrase that is true will include the word "kebab". Ok?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Anyway, now it's more than obvious that Lommy is a wolf, so no one minds if she wants to tease the villagers a little. She could say she received Nog's role and he was a werewolf. Hopefully would distract at least a couple of villagers enough to make them wonder why Rikae died too.

That's an excellent plan. I'll do that.

I may have to come out with Valier's name as well... I have to think about this now, I'll come up with a plan and act accordingly.

This is quite unrelated, but I don't think all of you shouldn't believe Menel. He can't be let to become a known innocent.

Originally Posted by Brinn

(And be very evil Lommy. )

I promise I will.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'm not sure about that though because the odds of me making it back are slim...and choosing not to vote seems a bit unsportly-like. I don't know...what do you guys think?

You must vote. It would be horrible if an innocent voted another and all we wolves jumped on it and then you wouldn't come, we'd be in serious problems... I think you should vote and try to convince some innocent agree with you. Actually, I think someone else too should campaign for lynching the one Brinn votes, because it's crucial we get one innocent to vote the same way Brinn does.

~*~

Then onto kill choices...

The most important thing is to pick someone who's not protected.
The second most important thing is to pick a gifted.

Originally Posted by Agan

I agree about Ka - could she be the other ranger?

She screams ranger to me. She practically came out by posting that way. The other chance is that she's a cobbler throwing ranger hints. I'm not sure which one is more probable. I don't know... I wouldn't maybe kill her but I'm not sure. I don't know if it will help at all, but wouldn't it be hilarious if I asked her toMorrow "Ka, are you a ranger or a cobbler? I can't quite decide." No one's going to mark my words too much anyway.

I think killing Kath might be a good idea - she's very smart (her posting yesterDay freaked me out) and probably a gifted - BUT I'm afraid she's protected. Thus I'd rather pick someone else.

Naria won't be protected, but if she's relatively probably an ordo, we should consider before killing her.

Zali has managed to shake off most of the suspicion against her, but probably not enough to be protected by the seer. Also, she might very well be a gifted. I think killing her might be the smartest move.

Izzie then... I can't see why you all think she might be a seer. I'd rather consider Rikae cobbler and her ordo, but...

Menel must be left alive both because he might be protected and because he will cause confusion toMorrow.

McCaber won't be protected and is probably gifted, but he's also a good lynch... so maybe not him.

In short, I think killing Zali is the best option, but others aren't that bad either.


-Lommy

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From : Aganzir
To : Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 12:17
Title : I'm here
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If there's another guardian, he'll know after this night that Lommy was protected (if you choose that). And then there's a risk he reveals himself and says "Let's lynch Lommy."
The best I can come up with, was this situation to occur, is to remind everybody that the wolves have a chance to win today if there's an innocent lynch or no lynch at all, given that we can't be sure about Rikae's guilt - therefore there are chances that it's a gaurdian who's speaking there (gaur means a wolf in Sindarin, I believe ).

Originally Posted by Brinn

Maybe Lommy should also reveal Valier is a wolf. Since everyone knows she's evil, I doubt they'd pay any attention. Do you think they'd assume Lommy would by lying...or is this too risky?

I'm afraid it would look like a wolf-on-wolf case. But on the other hand, I'm always seeing wolf-on-wolves everywhere.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Btw, I think Lommy, you should protect yourself toNight. It's a risk, but chances are that people will assume you chose the Day and won't bother to try to lynch you.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I was planning to vote early tomorrow morning (my timezone's GMT +1), but would you rather I not? I could not vote then and see if I can get back online in time, and if not just have a no-vote.

Vote, but vote a suspicious innocent.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'd be happy to kill Kath, but I worry how Sally will look afterwards since a lot of people assume Gil was innocent...

What do you think, sally?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Naria would be the safest choice...she may not be a gifted, but she might make McCaber more lynchable.

Now that I think it that doesn't sound bad either. Killing Naria will point at Cab... But in case he's a gifted he'll probably tell that in case he's in danger. Then all we have to do is say "Oh, now I know why Naria was killed! You couldn't be sure if it was her or Roa who was the real gifted!" and then drive the poor lad crazy by not believing him.

Originally Posted by Brinn

But isn't the Sting icon the default icon?

At least I have "No icon" as a default. But of course we could choose another one? Or should there just be a verbal code? Like "I think Lommy is a wolf or I'll eat my hat / copy of Lotr / whatever?" Both Rikae and Ka have promised to eat something so it wouldn't look that odd if we did also... And that code would be just awfully funny in case they were cobblers.

Should Lommy join in on the code?

Or a different code for her? The first person she talks about in a post that ends with the question if there's anyone who would like to play footbag with her?

Originally Posted by Lommy

As for me, don't trust a thing I say, except my vote. I will try to cause as much chaos as I can. If I for some odd reason, want to say something serious to you, I will use use the pint icon in the post and the phrase that is true will include the word "kebab". Ok?

Lommy you make me laugh. You're so sweet.

Are the codes decided last night still valid? So if Valier says everyone's going crazy we start a bandwagon against her and if any of us wants to start the bandwagon against her she just refers to her own horoscope?
Are there any other things we should have a chance to speak about?

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From : satansaloser2005
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 12:29
Title : Re: Buenas Noches, mis amigas
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Originally Posted by Lommie

That's an excellent plan. I'll do that.

Sounds like an excellent plan. And....aren't there lovers in this game? If so, it's possible (obviously false, but possible) that Noggie was a wolf and that Rikae was his lover. Thus he could have made all the speech toward "choosing her" in order to make sure that when he died and she was taken with him, it supported his claims throughout the day. Obviously not the case, but I think it could be brought up if necessary.

Speaking of lovers, if we can find them today and lynch one of them, we win at the end of the Day. Probably won't have that kind of luck though.


Rikae cobbler seems indeed very possible. Either way, it saved us a death in the pack and so I'm happy she was Noggie's pick.




I'm all for picking Zali. I'd really like to not kill Kath, not only because it would make me look bad, but because I think she trusts me, at least a smidge. At the same time though, she could be a seer who is playing it safe until she's figured out for certain that I'm wolfie.

Okay I need to send this real quick. My inbox is full, so I'm cleaning it out as soon as I send this message. I have to leave in about 15 minutes or less, so you ladies sending in the kill can pick whoever you choose and I should be pretty happy with it.

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From : satansaloser2005
To : Aganzir, Brinniel, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 12:37
Title : Re: I'm here
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I agree.

Ditto. Good plan indeed.

What do you think, sally?

Whichever pick is best for the pack is fine with me. I prefer not to kill Kath, but I think she may be seer-ish, so she might just have to go and I'll have to deal with it.

At least I have "No icon" as a default. But of course we could choose another one? Or should there just be a verbal code? Like "I think Lommy is a wolf or I'll eat my hat / copy of Lotr / whatever?" Both Rikae and Ka have promised to eat something so it wouldn't look that odd if we did also... And that code would be just awfully funny in case they were cobblers.

Or a different code for her? The first person she talks about in a post that ends with the question if there's anyone who would like to play footbag with her?

Lommy you make me laugh. You're so sweet.

Haha. Very snazzy. Okay I like it indeed, so if one of us needs to communicate during the day, we can do it like that. Sorry kind of rushed right now, but wanted to reply to Agan's PM real quick before I left. I'll check my messages before I leave but if there's any response at all it'll basically be "yeah-huh, nuh-uh" etc. And remember my lovely wolfiekinses, it's possible for us to win toDay and do so with no wolf casualties. If at all possible, let's strive for that.

P.S. If anyone thinks my Noggie-Rikae lover plot is valid, we can definitely use the fact that Val got the PM about him to our advantage. Okay, I'm out! Back around four hours into the Day.

~~Sally~~


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From : Thinlómien
To : satansaloser2005
Date : 2008-01-25 12:38
Title : Lovers
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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sounds like an excellent plan. And....aren't there lovers in this game? If so, it's possible (obviously false, but possible) that Noggie was a wolf and that Rikae was his lover. Thus he could have made all the speech toward "choosing her" in order to make sure that when he died and she was taken with him, it supported his claims throughout the day. Obviously not the case, but I think it could be brought up if necessary.

Speaking of lovers, if we can find them today and lynch one of them, we win at the end of the Day. Probably won't have that kind of luck though.

No, I think the whole lovers-thing was a joke from Volo's part... but if you thought there are lovers, someone else might think that way too. So what if I came out, said Nogrod was a wolf AND speculate he and Rikae were possibly lovers? That might confuse some innocents!

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From : Aganzir
To : Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 12:40
Title : Re: Buenas Noches, mis amigas
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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And....aren't there lovers in this game? If so, it's possible (obviously false, but possible) that Noggie was a wolf and that Rikae was his lover. Thus he could have made all the speech toward "choosing her" in order to make sure that when he died and she was taken with him, it supported his claims throughout the day. Obviously not the case, but I think it could be brought up if necessary.

Sally I love you!
I think saying that there are lovers was a joke from Volo's part - that's his sense of humour.
In his last game there were secret lovers, one of whom being a secret cobbler... Lommy knows more about that.
The problem is that Rikae was so vocally for lynching Nog, which she wouldn't have done if it had meant her death also.
But that was just a wonderful idea anyway. I don't know if Lommy should suggest that when she comes with Nog's role? If any of us said it, it would probably draw some negative attention to us.

Originally Posted by sally

P.S. If anyone thinks my Noggie-Rikae lover plot is valid, we can definitely use the fact that Val got the PM about him to our advantage.

Just don't forget that it was officially Lommy who got it.


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From : satansaloser2005
To : Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-25 12:41
Title : Re: Lovers
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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

No, I think the whole lovers-thing was a joke from Volo's part... but if you thought there are lovers, someone else might think that way too. So what if I came out, said Nogrod was a wolf AND speculate he and Rikae were possibly lovers? That might confuse some innocents!

Hmmmm....*scampers off to check the rules*

-Oh, and there will be a single Lover at most.

Dang. I was really hoping we could use that. Oh well, if you think you're going down bigtime it's worth a shot.

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From : Aganzir
To : Brinniel, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien, Valier
Date : 2008-01-25 12:55
Title : Kill
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I sent Naria's name to Volo.

Since you three from the other side of the pond weren't around and Lommy was suspiciously quiet, I called her and we decided Naria would be the best choice. She's probably not a gifted, but now we can hopefully get Cab into a bad situation...

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From : Aganzir
To : satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-25 13:54
Title : Some final words
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Good luck, darlings. Let's hope we all will be rejoined in the evening, with a table lain and a fresh and sweet dinner prepared for us.

Lommy, are you protected tonight or tomorrow?

Brinn and Val have their inboxes full... Lommy, is there any way you could deliver this message to them? Or at least tell them when you're protected?

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From : Thinlómien
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005
Date : 2008-01-25 13:56
Title : Re: Some final words
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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Good luck, darlings. Let's hope we all will be rejoined in the evening, with a table lain and a fresh and sweet dinner prepared for us.

Lommy, are you protected tonight or tomorrow?

Brinn and Val have their inboxes full... Lommy, is there any way you could deliver this message to them? Or at least tell them when you're protected?

Tonight. But let's do everything as if I was protected toMorrow. I can try to contact them. In Val's case it might be difficult and I'm not sure if Brinn has time to check her faceboook or e-mail. But I'll try.

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From : Volo
To : Aganzir, satansaloser2005, Thinlómien
Date : 2008-01-25 14:00
Title : Re: Tappo
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You killed Naria, who was just a quiet Ordo and simply Innocent.

EDIT: Brinn and Valier have their boxes full.