Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Formendacil · 01-20-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

So-- Formy, a question. Is Bergil-- as a man-- merely passingly interested in Indil's future, and ready to turn her safety over to someone else-- or is he passionately devoted to Indil ? I don't mean passionately as Raefindan would be, but as a protector, a helper and rescuer?

To put it another way, would he really really like to kill Tharonwe for what Tharonwe has put Indil through?

I know, turn the other cheek. However (a) that revelation has not entered Middle-Earth quite yet and (b) as a christian I don't believe that's intended when there are completely innocent lives involved, i.e. protecting the innocent is a call on any honest man's life. Indil is utterly innocent. Tharonwe is not. How does Bergil feel about him?

I certainly do see Bergil as a "turn the other cheek" sort. Take a look at his readiness to tussle with Pippin, and look at the family background--Beregond can take a lot on faith, but he'll strike a mortal blow for Faramir.

So, as to his relationship with Indil, Bergil sees himself as responsible for her. He is, in his mind, basically her legal guardian: he found her and took her with him and until and unless her family turns up, he's going to act as such. Being young and a warrior by trade and nature, I imagine he'd gladly strike a violent blow right at Tharonwë. I'm not sure it would be an irrational rage driving him so much as a righteous anger and a very clear sense of justice--which, of course, has been horribly violated.

(As a side-note, it's interesting to consider where this attitude of Bergil's would leave him at the end of the tale, with Indil's family presumably dead. Bergil doesn't exactly have the lifestyle conducive to raising a young girl But that's not really relevant to the moment.)

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Formy, when you have written, there has been depth worth reading. If the last month as been an anomaly and you promise to post when asked to, that's good enough for me. I think that Helen makes a good point as to Bergil's motivations, especially now that Raefindan has (in appearance) turned traitor.

Then I'll stick around. As far as I know, last month was an internetless anomaly.

On the subject of Raefindan & Bergil, it will certainly be interesting to see what transpires when they meet again.

As regards Ravion--I certainly don't feel I know his character well enough to write him. I know his exterior habits somewhat, but I don't know what makes him tick on the inside.

mark12_30 · 01-20-2008, 06:14 PM

OK, I'll keep Ravion. But I really do miss Orual.

littlemanpoet · 01-21-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

... it's interesting to consider where this attitude of Bergil's would leave him at the end of the tale, with Indil's family presumably dead. Bergil doesn't exactly have the lifestyle conducive to raising a young girl But that's not really relevant to the moment.

Maybe not Bergil, but perhaps Ravion and Mellonin will have such a lifestyle.

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Then I'll stick around. As far as I know, last month was an internetless anomaly.

Good.

Yes, Helen, I miss Orual too.

mark12_30 · 01-21-2008, 07:00 PM

Formy, you're on. If you can't post quickly, how about a save with a summary and a final sentence? We'll keep plugging.

EDIT: Wow, cross posted with lmp. Hi lmp! *waves*

Formendacil · 01-21-2008, 11:27 PM

Well, I certainly did not expect to fill my save so quickly... but there was a lucky break getting out of Compline early, and I thought it best to post while I still had surety of time to do so. It's a short post: little more than recapitulation and some vocalisation of motivation by Bergil, but it moves the plot along, and Bergil hasn't had much in the way of action to prompt great changes of mental activity since his last post.

All the usual caveats about changes, suggestions, et cetera, apply.

littlemanpoet · 01-22-2008, 09:55 AM

Thanks, Formy.

Hi back, Helen. (Elempi waves) I was in a hurry and had just enough time to post that up, and was gone again.

I guess that means that Helen, Fea and I will continue via email for now.

littlemanpoet · 01-24-2008, 06:13 AM

Helen, could you please email or PM me that email containing some of Ædegard and Leafa's conversation? You seem to have been inspired as needed to get back into your own posts, so I need my stuff back.

mark12_30 · 01-24-2008, 06:41 AM

Er, sure, but I'm not really. Exactly. I'm not sure how to weave the two, er, threads together. Anyway the email is on its way but I'm not out of the woods yet???

Trust me, I still need the email process even if I launch off in another direction at the same time. Sort of. Don't drop me now, lmp. I wasn't dropping you. Just trying to file two different things in two different places.

And if you have any ideas as to how best to weave the threads PLEASE tell me. (Ack.)

01-20-2008, 06:14 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	OK, I'll keep Ravion. But I really do miss Orual. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

01-21-2008, 07:00 PM	#4
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Ravion to Bergil, over! Formy, you're on. If you can't post quickly, how about a save with a summary and a final sentence? We'll keep plugging. EDIT: Wow, cross posted with lmp. Hi lmp! waves __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

01-21-2008, 11:27 PM	#5
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Well, I certainly did not expect to fill my save so quickly... but there was a lucky break getting out of Compline early, and I thought it best to post while I still had surety of time to do so. It's a short post: little more than recapitulation and some vocalisation of motivation by Bergil, but it moves the plot along, and Bergil hasn't had much in the way of action to prompt great changes of mental activity since his last post. All the usual caveats about changes, suggestions, et cetera, apply. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

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01-22-2008, 09:55 AM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Thanks, Formy. Hi back, Helen. (Elempi waves) I was in a hurry and had just enough time to post that up, and was gone again. I guess that means that Helen, Fea and I will continue via email for now.

01-24-2008, 06:13 AM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Helen, could you please email or PM me that email containing some of Ædegard and Leafa's conversation? You seem to have been inspired as needed to get back into your own posts, so I need my stuff back.

01-24-2008, 06:41 AM	#8
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Er, sure, but I'm not really. Exactly. I'm not sure how to weave the two, er, threads together. Anyway the email is on its way but I'm not out of the woods yet??? Trust me, I still need the email process even if I launch off in another direction at the same time. Sort of. Don't drop me now, lmp. I wasn't dropping you. Just trying to file two different things in two different places. And if you have any ideas as to how best to weave the threads PLEASE tell me. (Ack.)