Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Kath]

Hang on, it's Sunday! My apologies I thought it was Monday, I will be here at the deadline.

*watches bale of hay roll across the screen*

[satansaloser2005]

No problem. Sadly, I have only a couple moments online (my mother's husband needs the computer in a bit) so I'll have to vote now. My apologies, but....



++Gil



I hate to do this to the poor fellow, but Kath, I honestly think you're an innocent. And since I have nothing to go on with Gil, I'd sadly rather kill an unknown than a presumed innocent. I'm truly sorry Gil, for I wish you could have stayed longer, but I have to go with the more reasonable choice, and that is not killing Kath.

Kath, go ahead and vote for whichever of us you please. I just felt the need to eliminate Gil from the picture since he hasn't been in to defend himself anyway. Enjoy the rest of your weekend and I hope to see you when the battles are at an end!



P.S. Happy 101st posting to me! *sings*

[Kath]

Eep! Just amde it.

++GIL

He hasn't posted, sally has.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The fifth day arrived with a fog, which grew so intense that by midday that the audience sealed away from the gladiators. The only thing that could be seen was the sun and it was whiter than the palest of moons. The most far-sighted look-outs were exeptions as they could see a trace of light gleaming off Tomas Megarson’s golden armour.

Speaking of whom, Tomas was having an argument with his inner dragon. The dragon complained that Tomas was too dirty to live in, while Tomas claimed that he was too busy to brush the dust off his soul. And anyway, inner dragons don’t have souls of their own so why should Tomas care what the dragon wants. The dragon was quite crushed by that because it didn’t have a soul and knew it, and obviously wasn’t the only one who knew it. It did however claim to be an essential part of Tomas and if he treated it badly, he would go to ruin. Tomas left that unanswered, but assailed the dragon with a question, ”Why don’t you do it if you seem to care so much?” He then added that he had already cleaned his golden armour today and wasn’t in the mood to clean anything else. ”Maybe tomorrow”.

While those two were having their quarrel, the other three were in the middle of a highly civilized small talk. Sally Underdale was explaining Kath the Whiteness how her compass works. ”It will turn purple when there is evil nearby. Sadly it will take some time for it to get the newest security upgrade before it can notice Wolves”.

”Oh, how nice”, said Kath while having most of her concentration on agonizing over the fact that most people saw her only as a boring old fog and not even remotely as a being of everlasting beauty. ”Yes yes, very interesting, do tell more”, Kath said not noticing that Sally had already noticed that Kath wasn’t in the least bit interested in anything she was saying and turned to talk with her pet duck Emily.

Sally couldn’t speak duck, but then again, Emily wasn’t just any duck, but a duck present in several different dimencions and thus being able to communicate with Sally, or any other person, through means of collective subconscience. Like Tomas and his inner dragon, Sally and Emily were not in the best of terms right now. Like Legate and unlike Tomas, Sally wanted her closest if not best friend to participate in the competitions. Like Tomas and unlikeLegate, Sally didn’t do that. She had really wanted to, she did! But Emily had said ”Quack!” and left little space for opposing opinions.

Now that both Tomas and Sally were having their private discussions, Kath grew tired pondering her appearance as nobody was noticing her anyway. She decided to go for quick flight over Meneltarma to clear her thoughts. She guessed, with irony, the right reaction of the audience: as soon as she left the Temple, the crowd began celebrationg the dissolving of the fog. For the first time during the whole day they could see what was going around in the arena. Not much, it seemed at first. Until...

...until they noticed that where the gate leading out of the arena originally stood (and where just the grey fog originally was), a larger gate began to form out of nowhere. A glittering bridge could be seen behind it, and as it reached its full size, coloured shapes could be noticed circling above. One of them was coming closer, outlined with greenish light, but dark in itself. The audience shouted with surprise and fear: it was a huge dark dragon, and a man was sitting on the dragon's back.

"Ashen-Shugar!" a voice resounded in Tomas' head. Both Sally and her friend stared in amazement. "Quack!" Emily said, which could have meant something along the lines "That dragon is way bigger than I am."

"Ashen-Shugar!" the figure of the man - or was it a man? - repeated its call. "Why are you here? This is not a place for you. I have been searching for you. Come and join us!"

Tomas lifted his head and looked into the stranger's eyes. "Leave me alone, Draken-Korin! You are dead. I don't know how you appeared here, but I don't care. I am here to fight with -"

The stranger laughed. "I wouldn't say I am dead. I don't think so, at least. But this is not a place for you to fight, Ashen-Shugar. These - beings - are not worth your attention. Come! Let us ride once again and visit another worlds, and -"

"I said no," Tomas replied. "And if you don't leave, I swear I'm going to -"

"To what? Kill me? You don't have the guts to do it, Ashen-Shugar. No, the only ones you are capable of fighting are these stupid little -"

But that was enough. With a cry of rage, Tomas leapt towards the intruder with his sword drawn. But as soon as his feet touched the golden bridge, Draken-Korin roared with laughter and the gate disappeared like a puff of smoke. And the one who was called Tomas disappeared with it.

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Around:
Brinniel
THE Ka
satansaloser2005
Aganzir
McCaber
Nogrod
Thinlómien
Valier
Groin Redbeard
Meneltarmacil
Kath
Naria
Azaelia of Willowbottom
Isabellkya
Rikae
A Little Green
Ugh-Friedrich (host)

Gone:
Legate of Amon Lanc - lynched on Day0.1 - teleported away
Roa_Aoife - lynched on Day0.2 - joined the dance
Shastanis Althereduin - lynched on Day0.3
The Might - lynched on Day0.4 - escorted away and sailed away
Gil-Galad - lynched on Day0.5 - disappeared in a gate to different world

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Day0.5 ended, Day0.6 begins. Azaelia, Brinniel and Groin may post.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Hello, Brinniel and Groin. I'm here, and I'm going back over the thread just to see what you've said. Cheers!

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Ok, since it's just me so far, here's what Brinniel and Groin have said, briefly summarized. This is just for my own reference, and I have been unbiased in recording this stuff.

Groin
Post #4: In-character introduction, nothing out of the ordinary
Post # 14: In-character, likes Noggy’s call to action, cautions that Noggy could be a wolf all the same. Remarks that Legate is quick to suspect
Post #57: Thinks Brinniel is a wolf for not expressing suspicion
Post 80: Gives thoughts on players—Thinlo has good insight, is helpful. McCaber is too quiet. Menel tries to dampen debate. Has no opinion on A Little Green so far. Is satisfied with Brinniel’s explanations, but still is going with his gut and saying she’s a wolf. Noggie is loud and helpful. I am a scapegoat, he is “uneasy” about my silence. Has no opinion on Might. Is uneasy with Legate, but thinks he’s a good guy. Valier trusts no one—a mark of an experienced player? Ka he finds difficult—plays the innocent one minute, suspects others the next.

Brinniel
Post #42: In character intro. Understands reasoning behind a first-day vote, but also thinks it’s not particularly useful. Points out that the wolves don’t know any more than the innocents, observes same-old same-old day 1 discussion.
Post 44: Does not dismiss the importance of Day 1s overall, but finds this particular one to be useless.
Post 67: Says she just hasn’t gotten around to expressing suspicion yet. Worries that people are going to get too caught up with what happened Day 1 and disregard important things that may come up later. Thinks Lommy is suspicious, giving only an appearance of being helpful. Wonders that if she happens to change her mind later on, people might find it suspicious.


I really don't want to base anything off the first day, since that was just an awkward little thing. I believe there was a lot of testing the waters going on from everyone, people just trying to get a feel for the group and for the setup--this is new and strange for everyone, after all.

However, here are my very early, preliminary, subject-to-change opinions.

Brinniel is reading as innocent. She's helpful and careful to explain herself. Gut instincts aren't worth much this early on in the game (ever?), but mine is saying she's innocent.

Groin, however, strikes me as odd (I know that may sound a bit hypocritical coming from me--my first day was spectacularly poor, even according to my own standards). It strikes me as odd that he criticizes both Legate and, later, Ka for expressing suspicion, but does so himself with very little to back it up. At the moment, I'm willing to chalk that up to him being new at this, and I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

...Where are you?

[Groin Redbeard]

Day 0.1: Was very fun to watch, up until the end. Legate’s points were very valid and I think he was innocent. Menel on the other hand was very suspicious the way he didn’t accuse Valier right off, like he did Legate, and then when it came clear that Legate had it in for him he focused on attacking Legate.

Day 0.2: It was very weird the way that Roa and McCaber almost immediately bonded together. When Roa voted against Naria it just became a battle of spite. Naria voted against Roa, just because she voted againste her.

Day 0.3: I didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to this battle, but I’m pretty sure that the only reason Shasta was killed was because she didn’t post enough (at least that was the main reason).

Day 0.4: I agreed with Nogrod of this one, and Thinlomien does look suspicious. Once again I thought lynching the Might was a bit unfair, but he should have been there more often to defend himself.

Day 0.5: Got started off really ssslllooowww. There wasn’t a bunch of evidence tossed around on this day. Gil-Galad got killed because he wasn’t there to defend himself.

[Brinniel]

Hello, I'm here.

First off, I just want to take a quick look at these previous Days. A lot has happened, and I think it's important to examine them and put out some thoughts here and now.

Day 0.1

This was certainly an interesting Day to watch, though quite honestly I cannot get any clear suspicions from that Day simply because all three seem rather suspicious. The case against Legate seems to be based off mainly Day 0, which I've already stated I think isn't a particularly helpful Day since odd behaviour isn't necessarily wolfish behaviour, if you get my meaning. Of course since they were the first three, they didn't really have a choice but to use Day 0 for discussion, which is unfortunate.

Menel made the daring move of voting first. His suspicions against Legate came pretty early and he seemed fairly confident of his guilt considering there wasn't a whole lot to go on. Could be a Menel Wolf who decided early on that Legate was a bigger threat than Valier and it'd be safer to eliminate him.

Valier was much more undecided and unsure when she made her vote. Of course since it was the deciding vote, it'd only be smart as a wolf to act unsure of who to vote for. Because casting the deciding vote too hastily would look wolfish.

I think it's more likely that one of the former two is a wolf. Because on the very first lynch Day especially, it is really easy for a wolf to manipulate the voting. Anyways, Legate didn't seem very wolfish at all throughout the Day. The only thing that makes me question him is his statement about what his role may be or is not after he knew he was dead. It does give off the appearance of being helpful, but I could also see a Legate Wolf making one last desperate attempt to throw us off for the next several Days before his role is known.

Like I said, all three seem fairly suspicious, but if I had to pick the most suspicious, it'd be Menel. Because for a Menel Wolf, Legate probably would be a greater threat, plus Legate had posted more frequently on Day 0, making it easier to create a case against him.

Day 0.2

I think it's unfortunate Roa had to die merely from bad luck. Random lynches certainly are no fun. But I don't think McCaber's no vote necessarily makes him wolfish. It's more likely he didn't vote due to a RL error. After all, if he were a wolf, it'd simply be smarter for him to vote. At that point, he was completely safe from lynching and I think voting would be the less suspicious move than simply leaving it to the randomizer. But I would really like to hear an explanation come from McCaber himself come Day 1.

Roa certainly was acting very careful. But someone later on (I can't remember who) mentioned her behaviour could've been due to giftedness and I would agree. Roa can be a very dangerous player, but right now I'm getting more innocentish vibes from her than anything.

Out of the three, I think Naria is most likely the wolf. She is defensive, which in one way is understandable since she had already received a vote. But that vote came because Naria had been MIA up to that point, and since Roa thought McCaber more likely innocent, what was she supposed to do? She wasn't sure Naria would show up at all; if she had voted McCaber, he would probably vote her and if Naria didn't show, the lynch would be randomized. So, Roa's vote made perfect sense to me. Naria's response is simply overly aggressive and sarcastic. She's desparate, and with one vote already I can understand- but she just seems to be trying too hard.

Day 0.3

Well, very little was said this Day. Shasta was a very easy lynch, with the said excuse that "he contributes less." But I think a Shasta that contributes less is most likely an innocent Shasta, since I've noticed he contributes more when he has a role other than an ordinary innocent.

From previous games, I already know Aganzir can be a dangerous wolf, but I've never played with Ka, so I know nothing about her. However, I feel almost postive that the wolf is among these two and not Shasta. Aganzir stands out a little more in my mind because she was the first to state she'd rather vote Shasta because Ka contributes, and that reasoning just doesn't seem very good to me.

Day 0.4

Another interesting Day. It was certainly entertaining to watch Nogrod and Lommy bump heads with each other.

I must say, I certainly was very sad to see Might's self-vote. But I think everything he said was sincere and if he were actually a wolf, I don't think he would've let his fellow mates down and simply quit like that. Which leaves Nogrod and Lommy...

Nogrod was a bit too aggressive for my liking...but I'm not sure if that aggressiveness is actually wolfish behaviour. I'm a bit more worried about Lommy and her reaction to Might's self-vote. I quite honestly cannot see how she would still seriously consider the possibility of him being a wolf after his self-vote (like I said, I don't think a wolf give up so easily because it would only be hurting his teammates). But what I even like less, is how she accuses Nogrod of wolfishness because he thinks Might is innocent. And of course Nogrod's going to think Lommy's guilty if he thinks Might is innocent because surely he wouldn't accuse himself. I actually felt okay about Lommy throughout most of the Day, but her last couple posts (particularly the last one) make me uneasy about her. I almost get the feeling that she's nervous about something...maybe because Nogrod has her pegged...

Day 0.5

It's a shame Gil didn't show up at all. Sally and Kath's vote for him makes sense. He was a no-show and it'd be silly to vote for each other and risk a randomized lynch (even if one had voted Gil and the other for someone else, it'd look way too suspicious).

Not much was said, and there was a bit a banter. Sally was a little odd (not in a wolfish way, but in general) and I don't really have anything to say about Kath. I think if Gil were a wolf, he would've gone to greater efforts to read the guidlines and return on his designated Day. So I do think either Kath or Sally is our wolf; I just have no idea which one it is.

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Okay, so that was a long post, but I just wanted to get the ball rolling. We need something to discuss at first, and as I said before, I think it's important to put out some clear thoughts about Days 0.1-0.5. I do not want to use Day 0 as the basis of my vote; I think it'd be better and more accurate to base my suspicions on whatever will be said toDay. But that's just my opinion.

Anyways, it's good to see Zali has shown up. And hopefully Groin will appear soon as well. I don't think any of us have played with each other before which means we're all new to each other....so I think this should be an interesting Day.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Hi, Brinniel!!

I would say that I think it's a bit more important to focus on each other than on what's happened in the past. For now, though, as we're still missing Groin, I might as well just do what you did and go back through the earlier Days. It will, if nothing else, provide me with some sense of who everyone is for the Days ahead...assuming I survive this one.

Day 0.1
Legate seems to be reasonable. As does Valier. They're both reading innocent...and it looks to me like Menel is the one throwing his weight around, suspicious of both the others (though Legate more so). He also really does push the vote, and he definitely places Valier in a very difficult spot.

After it is apparant Legate will be lynched, he seems very innocent to me. He has nothing to gain by trying to confuse people with his final moments, since, I believe, no one is going to interact outside of these pre-arranged groups before his role is revealed. So I'm guessing either innocent or gifted. Unless I'm wrong and we won't find out his role until the very end. For now I'm just going to guess that he's innocent, because I can't imagine what he'd have to gain from lying.

Day 0.2
This day was a bit confusing. Naria bases her vote for Roa isn't acting the way she normally would. It's been so long now since I played WW that I can't really remember Roa's specific style, but I don't think it's quite fair to use previous games as fodder for this one. McCaber never even voted, which I find odd. 3 hours before the deadline, he wrote that he'd be back with an actual vote. He never returned. I agree with Brinniel--I fully understand human error, and being new at the game, but I'm going to be listening with interest to what he has to say about that one.

Day 0.3
Not much to go on, here. I do feel bad for Shasta, though. He never really got a chance to defend himself. If everyone had talked more that day, things might have played out differently. Shasta looked to me like a case of being extremely busy in RL than like a wolf, though that could just be me sympathizing. It's hard even for me to get a read on Aganzir or Ka, since neither of them was overly vocal, either.

Day 0.4
It's interesting to see the different ways in which people respond to this new trial day setup. Some are very cautious, like Valier. Some say little, like the players from 0.3. Others choose to argue immediately (Noggie and Lommy.) heh.
Cutting straight to the chase: A wolf wouldn't self-vote. There are fewer wolves than there are innocents and gifteds combined. They need all the help they can get. Might seems really frustrated with RL and WW and all that, and I can't say I blame him. He comes off as an innocent who couldn't bear up under the kind of attack he faced.
Noggie bugs me a bit for chewing Might out over his responsibility to the game, **EDIT: and for his general aggression--it's a valid way to play, but not one that I particularly like...** and to be honest under such an assault I may very well have caved the way Might did. His immediate vote for Miggy also bugs me.
Lommy also looks suspicious at the end--I saw Might's reaction as an honest reaction from a frustrated innocent. It remains to be seen if that is true, but if it is, it kind of makes Lommy look bad.

Day 0.5
I can't say much about this day in general, as it's overshadowed by the lack of one of the three. I don't blame Kath or Sally for their actions, since the only way it could have ended otherwise was a randomized vote.

I hope Groin shows up soon. I don't want toDay to become another 0.5.