WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Nogrod]

Legate!

When you suddenly turned around and retracted to vote for me in the end of the Day1 I almost yelled out "et tu mi Brute!" to my computer as I couldn't believe you could be doing that on those grounds...

I can see the point now...

Well done!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

When you suddenly turned around and retracted to vote for me in the end of the Day1 I almost yelled out "et tu mi Brute!" to my computer as I couldn't believe you could be doing that on those grounds...

I can see the point now...

Well done!

Yes Actually, I was so convinced the whole Day that you are innocent, that I just yelled "Yay!" at the moment I saw your last post, "Now he made a mistake, this is a good thing to accuse him of! Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?"

I am really sorry you died that early - but I'm sure you understand. Looking at it from my point of view, an innocent Nogrod who has this close to be lynched, and I am (as I thought) the only Cobbler in the village, and I can do that - now that would be a wonderful thing to do, wouldn't it?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there. (Okay, just a few hours of sleep and all that) But I really could have saved myself at the last minute by retracking and revoting. I had a minute, well not a whole minute but anyway and I realised it only too late. It was partly due, I think, to the fact that I had made a decision not to vote either Nerwen (my mate) or Shasta (whom I felt bad for his track-record of being always voted on Day1) so I needed to focus on something else which meant throwing in a new candidate - and why not a rival wolf then? But I had one-tracked my mind with this so that I didn't notice my chance when I had the seconds to act (as it would have required a vote for either Nerwen or Shasta... eg. Shasta).

But as I said before: well done. That was a reasonable move from you Legate. But at that time I had no idea that you - and indeed the rest of the village - were cobblers. So thence my reaction then.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there.

Well, I meant in this post and the one after that, I really considered it silly that you mentioned Rikae's goodbye words "be good, for goodness' sake" - I was sure it was some momenary lapse of reason from you as an innocent, because basing your vote for her on this (apart from other things) was nonsense, but I thought it a good thing to base my retraction for you on. Of course, by swaying it a little to how it suits me.

[Farael]

Ah yes... the day of my revelation. I had meant on commenting on this, but then I got all caught up on what was happening on the village.

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my... and Legate you helped the wolves more than what you'd know... the day I revealed, and having two "known" ordos, I figured that making sure they were trully ordos was more important than finding the last wolf, as I knew they were likely to be trusted inherently and may have coasted to a win if they had been the cursed. It would've been a toss-up as to whom I'd dream of, Morm or Saucie, but odds are I would've dreamt of Morm as SPM had seem ordo-ish to me.

However, your reasoning for voting me was just awful "I would feel bad for Lynching Macalaure and finding him an ordo while I wouldn't feel as bad voting for Farael and finding him the seer" and so I figured I should probably dream of you as there was something going on GAH! you cobblers you

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Legate

No way. If they revealed you lied, you will be lynched and you will be revealed as ORDO - that would be really strange and will probably ruin TP's main purpose, or at least undermine it, as all would wonder why an ordo did such a thing, concluding that TP lies by saying you are an ordo. And the other cobblers, of course, will start to be suspicious.

I'm not so sure that it would have spoiled phantom's ruse. There were enough strange things going on, and the likeliest explanation would have been some secret role which would not be revealed to the end. It's a question of where to draw the line. It might be said, for example, that voting for you (a known innocent) would have been against the strictures laid on us, and I even wondered for a moment whether voting for Farael on Day 4 was strictly within the rules (I decided it was, clearly). Causing confusion and trying to get oneself lynched are, depending on the circumstances, two important weapons in a Cobbler's armoury. Indeed, it is hardly surprising that many of us did not excel in our Cobblerdom, given that some of the oft-used Cobbler tactics were simply not available to us.

Originally Posted by Volo

SPM, you really haven't changed since Rikae's game.

Well, I can claim to have had a lot of experience as a Cobbler. This must be about my fourth Cobbleresque outing ... although I am not sure if this one really counts. And what is it about me that I am almost always evil if I have a role? Four times a Cobbler, three times a Wolf, once a Hunter and never a Ranger or Seer

Originally Posted by Nog

I also said to tp that there was something that was overall strange in that voting on Day1.

Well, I certainly felt something strange was going on throughout. All those Wolf-on-Wolf votes! I think that The Might was the only villager never to have voted for a Wolf (with the exception of Rikae, which was unavoidable). Which makes him top Cobbler! I did wonder at one point whether the Wolves had been instructed that they could only vote Wolf-on-Wolf, but there were some votes (only some, mind) which didn't fit that theory. But it made the voting record very unreliable and so made Wolf spotting even more difficult.

Originally Posted by Volo

It sure is tempting to try the style I used on the first Day of SPM's game, which is to vote the person you suspect the least

Clearly that's the standard Cobblery approach. The problem I found (and it was particularly acute in this game) was that, every time I tried to come up with arguments to suspect someone that I thought innocent, they ended up looking quite plausible, leading me to doubt my original conclusion and start believing the person that I originally thought innocent to be a Wolf (that happened with my views on Mac a few times).

Originally Posted by Farael

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my...

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second.

Saucie you are trully, fully and verily evil....ly