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Nazgûl-king · 01-01-2008, 12:34 PM

I like the idea of starting with Gollum losing the ring, maybe they could do something like; start with Gollum rowing in his boat, then he sneaks up on land behind a goblin and starts choking it, and as he is choking it the ring escapes him, and we see the ring bouncing from the rocks and then landing on the ground. Then the scene could end with a shot Dol Goldur in the distance, and then we see the opening title and move on to The Shire with Bilbo in front of his door.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-01-2008, 02:27 PM

Gollum appears once! How can you open a movie with someone that appears once? It just doesn't make sense!

Sauron the White · 01-01-2008, 02:59 PM

The Dwarves need their backstory to be explained so that the entire quest of the Dwarves makes some sense. Gollum needs to be right where he is in the story - no more , no less. Open in the Shire with Bilbo, go to Gandalf, then the arrival of Thorin and company, and let them reveal the history to Bilbo and the audience.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-01-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

The Dwarves need their backstory to be explained so that the entire quest of the Dwarves makes some sense. Gollum needs to be right where he is in the story - no more , no less. Open in the Shire with Bilbo, go to Gandalf, then the arrival of Thorin and company, and let them reveal the history to Bilbo and the audience.

Yes, that needs to be the opening scene. It needs to open in a nice sunny scene!

Meneltarmacil · 01-01-2008, 04:02 PM

No extra scene in which the Dwarves explain what's going on really needs to be included in my opinion. There's already one written in the book; filming that (and possibly including some flashback scenes to go along with Thorin's narration) should suffice. The story really ought to begin where Tolkien wanted it to.

A bigger problem, though, involves Bilbo's interaction with Gollum. The flashback in LOTR already contradicts what should happen, as Gollum realizes the Ring is gone at the same time that Bilbo finds it, not like in the book where he doesn't know it's gone until after he's done with the riddles.

Sauron the White · 01-01-2008, 05:27 PM

Mene... are you saying we should not see the Dwarves back history at all or that we should NOT open with that?

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-01-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

No extra scene in which the Dwarves explain what's going on really needs to be included in my opinion. There's already one written in the book; filming that (and possibly including some flashback scenes to go along with Thorin's narration) should suffice. The story really ought to begin where Tolkien wanted it to.

A bigger problem, though, involves Bilbo's interaction with Gollum. The flashback in LOTR already contradicts what should happen, as Gollum realizes the Ring is gone at the same time that Bilbo finds it, not like in the book where he doesn't know it's gone until after he's done with the riddles.

I never thought of Bilbo getting the Ring in the prologue like that! I must be missing something!

Meneltarmacil · 01-01-2008, 10:28 PM

I'm saying that Tolkien already had a scene in which the Dwarves revealed their backstory, and that it should be revealed during that scene.

Oh, and during the prologue, when Bilbo first picks up the Ring, you can hear Gollum shouting "Lost! M-my precious is lost!" at which Bilbo immediately gets up and puts the Ring away nervously.

01-01-2008, 02:27 PM	#2
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Gollum appears once! How can you open a movie with someone that appears once? It just doesn't make sense! __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead. Last edited by TheGreatElvenWarrior; 01-17-2008 at 09:52 PM.

01-01-2008, 04:02 PM	#5
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	No extra scene in which the Dwarves explain what's going on really needs to be included in my opinion. There's already one written in the book; filming that (and possibly including some flashback scenes to go along with Thorin's narration) should suffice. The story really ought to begin where Tolkien wanted it to. A bigger problem, though, involves Bilbo's interaction with Gollum. The flashback in LOTR already contradicts what should happen, as Gollum realizes the Ring is gone at the same time that Bilbo finds it, not like in the book where he doesn't know it's gone until after he's done with the riddles. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

01-01-2008, 10:28 PM	#8
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I'm saying that Tolkien already had a scene in which the Dwarves revealed their backstory, and that it should be revealed during that scene. Oh, and during the prologue, when Bilbo first picks up the Ring, you can hear Gollum shouting "Lost! M-my precious is lost!" at which Bilbo immediately gets up and puts the Ring away nervously. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

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01-01-2008, 12:34 PM	#1
Nazgûl-king Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 104	I like the idea of starting with Gollum losing the ring, maybe they could do something like; start with Gollum rowing in his boat, then he sneaks up on land behind a goblin and starts choking it, and as he is choking it the ring escapes him, and we see the ring bouncing from the rocks and then landing on the ground. Then the scene could end with a shot Dol Goldur in the distance, and then we see the opening title and move on to The Shire with Bilbo in front of his door.

01-01-2008, 02:59 PM	#3
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	The Dwarves need their backstory to be explained so that the entire quest of the Dwarves makes some sense. Gollum needs to be right where he is in the story - no more , no less. Open in the Shire with Bilbo, go to Gandalf, then the arrival of Thorin and company, and let them reveal the history to Bilbo and the audience.

01-01-2008, 05:27 PM	#6
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Mene... are you saying we should not see the Dwarves back history at all or that we should NOT open with that?