Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Please all feel free to give your feelings regarding this. I think it will be a masterful game and worthwhile. I do understand the phantom's problems with schedule and will try to accomodate but do not wish to step on anybody's toes.

It is hard for us to voice our opinions as we don't know what Phantom has in mind. Personally, I am going to decide, when a game is up, whether it looks attractive enough for me to join it. From my POV I'd say it's really on the Mods how they negotiate. I'll be willing to join something interesting, a roleplaying (or in-role or how you call that) game as well, since I only moderated one and would like to experience it from the "inside". And as I said, I don't know exactly what TP plans, so I can't say (and neither of us can, probably).

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Farael

Also, Phantom perhaps we could try co-modding a game? I don't know about your idea or any guest writers you may have, but I wouldn't mind it.

I don't mind letting you in on my village, but I would hate to rob you of a village of your own.

Originally Posted by Farael

If not, by all means start your "innovative" game, there's a reasonable chance I'll have a little time for modding in January.

Well, since you don't seem to mind (and I see that Might has approved as well), I suppose I will go ahead and start my village as soon as I get a final okay from morm.

EDIT: morm has approved.

And as a token of appreciation, Farael, you are welcome to be a guest-narrator if you wish (don't worry, it won't be that much work, just a day-beginning post most likely). In addition, I will inform you of the roles of the villagers (for your viewing pleasure), and also let you in on the secret twist that the game will feature.

Also, do not sign up for my village here on this thread.

And don't sign up on the game thread either.

(those who have already requested a place before this post, I will save spots for you)

Send me a pm to sign up, but only after I've announced that I am ready on the game thread, and after you've read what the prerequisites are. The criteria isn't terribly exclusive, but there will be a participation rule or two that might cause problems, as well as a rule or two that will be given to a random individual. These extra rules must be followed, otherwise the individual will be killed off by me. (btw, this is not a game for someone brand spankin' new to werewolfing, only sign up if you have a bit of experience under your belt, gifted experience would be helpful just in case you are selected to be the special twist, I expect a high level of play)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I don't mind letting you in on my village, but I would hate to rob you of a village of your own.

Well, since you don't seem to mind (and I see that Might has approved as well), I suppose I will go ahead and start my village as soon as I get a final okay from morm.

EDIT: morm has approved.

And as a token of appreciation, Farael, you are welcome to be a guest-narrator if you wish (don't worry, it won't be that much work, just a day-beginning post most likely). In addition, I will inform you of the roles of the villagers (for your viewing pleasure), and also let you in on the secret twist that the game will feature.

Also, do not sign up for my village here on this thread.

And don't sign up on the game thread either.

(those who have already requested a place before this post, I will save spots for you)

Send me a pm to sign up, but only after I've announced that I am ready on the game thread, and after you've read what the prerequisites are. The criteria isn't terribly exclusive, but there will be a participation rule or two that might cause problems, as well as a rule or two that will be given to a random individual. These extra rules must be followed, otherwise the individual will be killed off by me. (btw, this is not a game for someone brand spankin' new to werewolfing, only sign up if you have a bit of experience under your belt, gifted experience would be helpful just in case you are selected to be the special twist, I expect a high level of play)

*is intrigued* hmmmm now I really do want to have internet over break. curse Nebraska for not having basically the whole flippin state on Wi-Fi.

[Macalaure]

(btw, this is not a game for someone brand spankin' new to werewolfing, only sign up if you have a bit of experience under your belt, gifted experience would be helpful just in case you are selected to be the special twist, I expect a high level of play)

Do you want us to hand in resumes?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

From what he says it almost sounds as if he prepared a game where you sign-up in secret and then in the game you don't even know who plays Maybe all the game will be played via PMs and to keep the secrecy complete, phantom will send all our PMs on the game thread as posts but we won't know who posted them... and then we are to deduce who the players are and also who of them is the wolf. Then I say "I vote Mac" and later we learn that Mac didn't even play in this game. Then people start to debate whether I voted Mac because I made a mistake or whether I am a wolf and intentionally wasted a vote. Wow, now that would be really innovative style of game

(No, I know it ain't funny, it's really like that, of course.)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

(btw, this is not a game for someone brand spankin' new to werewolfing, only sign up if you have a bit of experience under your belt, gifted experience would be helpful just in case you are selected to be the special twist, I expect a high level of play)

Even if I can't be sure what tp means I think I have a hunch on what he's after... I think the important things might be the ones I've underlined. The latter one I think is the more important one. (Sorry phantom if I read you wrongly but this is also something I'd like to say from my part as well...)

Okay. I've learned my lessons in BD WW during the multiple games I've played and I've also learned to appreciate that there are different ways of playing the WW - including just flying under the radar (Naria in the last game she was in! see her participation in the Nightly discussions vs. her scant posts during the Days!) or simply going with the flow. Those players are challenges for the ordinary villagers (are they ordos or sneaky wolves for you can't say anything about them as they don't "say" anything?) and assets for the wolves (never kill an innocent one of them as the innocents need to waste their lynches on them on just pure quesswork). In a normal game one should just admit that and stick to playing with that in mind. And that's okay, it's how the game is.

And before you read further just remember what I said above: that's okay, it's how the game is. I'm not complaining about anything as I've accepted what the game is and I still really love to play it! All the time! Time and time again!

~*~

But to be sincere I must also say that I do enjoy playing the game the most when all the players around are somewhat dedicated to the game. Being dedicated doesn't mean one has to post a gazillion posts or something but that they read and think independently and are able and willing to go openly with their own ideas. That makes playing both a goodie and a baddie a challenge that goes pass pure guesswork. The everlasting question of a bluff - double-bluff - triple-bluff etc. surely remains even then, but it makes sense to try to read it out when everyone else are also putting in a dedicated effort...

A case in point is the early lynch of Rikae in the game before the last one... just because she acted funnily / differently on Day1. Not that we shouldn't vote for someone on Day1 - well, we have to - but because feeling secure to vote for any shared enigma on the rhetorical level sounds pretty lowbrow indeed (it's a different thing if you actually can come up with a reason why someone as a wolf would act in way that is not straight out from the "handbook" - and sadly most wolves nowaDays also act just according to the handbook and just stay low and nice). What I mean by "lowbrow" is not risking oneself eg. playing it too safe even if one is just a villager, going with the flow, not thinking independently, not risking anything... so just playing for staying alive and not for actually playing and having fun?

~*~

So what I can gather from the phantom's message is that he's wishing for a game into which the players would be dedicated to and where they would play hard and actively - and not be afraid of new or unforeseen situations (the first underlining).

I mean I know A Little Green pretty well and I think she's an intelligent, witty and cool person (she's my daughter, yes ) but when she got into a role of a wolf in her first game she was lynched on Day2 with overwhelming majority. One day she will be a killer - I tell you this because I know she will be much shrewder than I can ever be as she gets the taste of this game - in these games later but not yet. She needs to play and get the experience; to learn how to play in different roles, under pressure, to learn how different people play different roles etc.

So no resumeés but a kind of mutual or shared understanding about what kind of game we're applying into - what is required from the mod(s) and what is required from the players.

~*~

I hope not to give birth to this age-old discussion about "what werewolf actually is" as the arguments have been made quite a many times already and as I said before I'm happy with the game as it is and I love you all anyways. If you have strong opinions against what I said please neg-rep me or send me a PM so that I can answer you as well as I can.

~*~

I see no problem in tp to wish to have a game with some prerequirements. And we should not overestimate them either as I think tp only wished to say that if you've never been under pressure please reconsider (my first underlining) and if you're going to stick in once per Day to vote with no reason at all (my second underlining) you shouldn't take part!!!

Otherwise I'd believe everyone is the most welcome!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by tp in the thread

Each day, I expect everyone to post and vote. If you do not vote more than once, I will deal a blow to your side. Also, if you contribute little or nothing to the discussion more than once, I will deal a blow to your side. So remember, you won't just be hurting yourself- you'll be hurting your fellow villagers/werewolves.

tp seems to have said the thing more eloquently and definitively than I did with my page-long mumble...

[Volo]

WW42 - Admin thread is up!

[Thinlómien]

I don't know if everybody has noticed this, so I thought it'd be better said aloud here before any serious catastrophe occurs.

Since the forum system was updated last summer, multiple private message recipients have been able to see to else the private message has been sent to. So, if you for example sent me, Nogrod and Aganzir a role pm saying "you are an ordinary villager", I would be able to see that Nogrod and Aganzir have received the same pm as I and thus I would know they're ordos. So, don't send a role pm to more than one person at a time!

[Volo]

One place left in the 42nd Werewolf game! Take it now and the game will start in exactly 24 hours.