WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Anyway, Mac, please post more!

I'm working on it.

Originally Posted by the Might

If you want proof that I am not a wolf, then I shall vote for whoever is considered to be a wolf by most.

Given our inglorious track record so far, that's a rather secure statement for a wolf. No, seriously, this is very convenient since you don't have to come up with suspicions anymore, and it doesn't prove anything but your suspiciousness. No matter how bad he feels, he's clearly overplaying the "pity me"-card. The fact that he already started playing it before(!) he could have known the roles of morm and Sally makes it look even worse.

Originally Posted by the Might

As already said in the first post, if voting Menel or anyone else will help you believe me, then I am willing to.

Evidence B: Sneakily shifts from voting for whoever seems most suspicious to specifically bringing in Menel's name, who I happen to think to be innocent. Later he votes him. If he turns out innocent, he won't be to blame of course, since he only voted him because everybody else found him so suspicious.


The Might, I see that being suspected isn't easy for you. It's not always easy for everybody, especially when the accusations are valid. However, if you're evil, you knew that this was going to happen eventually, and if you're innocent, keep in mind that as many innocents as villains are lynched - it's just a part of the game, as is being terribly wrong with what you write and do. Don't take it to heart that much.


Volo's "morm should have told us" seems incredibly fake to me. No, he shouldn't have!
-It was not certain whether he would be lynched.
-There was no way he could have proved it.
-The night after he would be dead for certain.
-A wolf about to be lynched might do it hoping to get some reaction from the real ranger for his surviving.

Even though you explained it, Volo, your mixing up of the suspicion of Lommy points towards somebody who doesn't actually care who he is suspecting. I agree that, if Menel is a wolf, then Volo is most likely innocent. But keep in mind that this holds the other way around, too.


Somehow, I feel like I'm focusing on the Might and Volo too much.


About Kath's dreams: She probably dreamt of Lommy and most probably of morm. I'm quite sure of Lommy's innocence now anyway, even independent of Kath. The third, I think, was some innocent who hasn't been suspected a lot, therefore she didn't feel the need to talk about him/her.

[Aganzir]

Good points about Might, Mac. It seems to be way too easy to make me think someone is innocent. And that makes me also realise both Mac and Volo have been flying under my radar this far. I guess I should read through their posts and try to form an opinion.

So, my vote will go for either Brinn or Might. Is there anyone else who could vote Brinn? I would really like to have her lynched.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Good points about Might, Mac. It seems to be way too easy to make me think someone is innocent. And that makes me also realise both Mac and Volo have been flying under my radar this far. I guess I should read through their posts and try to form an opinion.

If you feel like you need to look at me more closely before you can have an opinion of me, then why do you congratulate me on my points against TM? How can you tell whether they're honest?

Hmm, actually, talking about radars that are flown under.... I guess I should read through her posts and try to form an opinion first.

Originally Posted by Agan

So, my vote will go for either Brinn or Might. Is there anyone else who could vote Brinn? I would really like to have her lynched.

Not me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Agan scared me for a moment. I was sure I'd only missed the Day 1 vote... phew. :P

As for how quiet I'm being, I don't mean to. I just rarely have time to go back and reread things. Right now, for example, I'm rushing out the door (I'm scheduled for a headshot today).

If the deadline isn't past when I get back, Lommy, I'll do my best to articulate my points on Volo for you.

For now, though, since it's not a sure thing that I WILL be back, I need to get a vote in. There's a vote for The Might, and a vote for Menel, and while I'd like to see Volo lynched, I'm not sure about the rest of the village, so I don't want to throw away my vote. Since of the two, Menel seems the furrier, I will

++ Meneltarmacil

[Aganzir]

Because I thought your points were good. This far I've been thinking you're innocent, but I don't know if that's so rather because I haven't much considered the possibility of you being a wolf.

I'm a bit surprised though how defensively you reacted when I said I'll read through your posts.

edit: xed with Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

So, my vote will go for either Brinn or Might. Is there anyone else who could vote Brinn? I would really like to have her lynched.

I might vote her, because she and Menel are my main suspects while I'm totally confused if Might could be that obvious as a wolf... I wouldn't wonder if he was bold enough and laughing at me under-estimating him... I don't like his summary of his actions, it sounds quite bad. But really, could he be a wolf, being that obvious? I'm in favour of lynching Menel toDay, though, as it'd shed light on other people's roles and he seems maybe the most suspicious this far...

I don't like the way Mac's rhetorics affect me. He makes me more suspicious of TM. I consider it worrying I trust his points so much: while I trust innocent Macalaure's points, I have no way of knowing he's innocent this time and he's one of those people who no one suspects and thus would be total disasters if wolves...

Originally Posted by Agan

Could you Lommy explain this?

Well, her way of slightly suspecting you seems wolf-on-wolf to me and your previous way of reacting to her seemed a bit wolf-on-wolf too. I'm not so sure now as you suspect her, even though that'd be a very smart move from a bold wolf...

Miggy, the confusing thing about you is that I really don't know what you are. You look terribly wolvish, so wolvish that I doubt you can actually be one. Anyway, if you're innocent, please answer the accusations against you propely and start talking about your own suspicions, not everybody else's.

EDIT: xed with Mac and Shasta

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Miggy, the confusing thing about you is that I really don't know what you are. You look terribly wolvish, so wolvish that I doubt you can actually be one. Anyway, if you're innocent, please answer the accusations against you propely and start talking about your own suspicions, not everybody else's.

Quoted Loomy 'cos it was the easiest post to find, but there are a few others voicing similar opinions.

Guys, if it seems "extremely wolvish" why do we say "too wolvish to be possible"? Yes, I get that feeling too... Might is so darn suspicious it almost seems too easy... but what would you have us do? we have three wolves right now, and I'd say that one of them is playing us WONDERFULY.... ''cos the only strong suspicions we have are Might and Menel so even if we had two wolves there, the third one is completely slipping under the radar.

And let me remind you all of something... there are three wolves and eight of us ordos... we've got to be careful because another two innocent double-lynch would put us in a really hard spot... I'm not saying "vote only for one person" but if there's a huge voting train at the end of the day, keep it in mind.

Not that I think that either Might is an ordo, and Menel looks pretty fishy himself but... let's be careful, we don't want anoter Might (meaning, another last-minute double-lynch)

[Farael]

x-ed with Menel

Right now the voting stands
Might- 2
Menel -2

[Kuruharan]

I hope that we're not about to see a repeat of yesterday...

As stupid as this will probably sound...I'm now getting skeptical of my suspicions of The Might and Menel and it just seems to be because they are both candidates in a potential double lynch scenario.

Right now I'm suddenly getting very afraid of three people...

Brinniel
Aganzir
Farael

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.

Aganzir I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot of rational reason for this...I'm just very suspicious of her all of a sudden.

Farael...anybody else notice that he has a tendency to vote really early...and be really wrong.

I have this bad feeling we've all been on the wrong track the whole time and that with The Might and Menel we're continuing to go down it.

[Aganzir]

++ Brinniel

I really think she should be killed.

I'm going now. As Lommy already explained in the admin thread, it's very improbable that I'll have a chance to post anything on Day 5.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

As stupid as this will probably sound...I'm now getting skeptical of my suspicions of The Might and Menel and it just seems to be because they are both candidates in a potential double lynch scenario.

Actually, if you are afraid of a double lynch, the way to avoid it is not by voting someone else.... that plays into the hands of whoever wants to cause a double lynch.

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Right now I'm suddenly getting very afraid of three people...

Brinniel
Aganzir
Farael

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.

Aganzir I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot of rational reason for this...I'm just very suspicious of her all of a sudden.

Farael...anybody else notice that he has a tendency to vote really early...and be really wrong.

I have this bad feeling we've all been on the wrong track the whole time and that with The Might and Menel we're continuing to go down it.

Man, you are really flip-flopping here... basically, and leaving out Loomy who's a consensus ordo, you've suspected anyone who has suspected Might and Menel. Trying to distance yourself from lynching people you know to be ordo, or trying to distance yourself from wolves? either way, you don't look so well with this sudden, last-minute "oh I feel bad about this".

I'd like to remark that on your previous post you said you were leaning towards voting for Might and or Menel and then getting rid of the other one in the next day.

I think you are trying to get the village to go for a spin and start arguing on a tangent. While I'll be the first one to agree that focusing only on two suspects could be catastrophic at this point in the game, you are not saying "let's focus on someone else as well" you are saying "I have a bad feeling about these two suspects, why don't we look at these other people?".

[Farael]

I also forgot to mention this... and keep in mind it's not a defence but rather, showing flawed, weak accusations.

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.

I mentioned this already.... and when she voted for Menel there were still enough voters left to lynch him instead of either Morm or Sally. And seeing how both of them were ordos, I highly doubt a wolfish Brinn would try to bring a third ordo into the mix. If it came to it, she could've just abstained from voting and still let the double-lynch happen.

Aganzir I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot of rational reason for this...I'm just very suspicious of her all of a sudden.

Well, that's a load of hair-feet if I've seen one... at this stage in the game, one should be able to at least formulate SOME reason why another player is suspicious... there's plenty of talk going around, and voting patterns to look at....

Farael...anybody else notice that he has a tendency to vote really early...and be really wrong.

Have we not all been very wrong more often than not? and have I not explained my suspicions, unlike you? As for the voting early, a 3 PM CT deadline is inconvinient for me... I've been making an effort to come here and post if I get the chance, but since it's not certain, I'd rather vote early than not vote at all.

I have this bad feeling we've all been on the wrong track the whole time and that with The Might and Menel we're continuing to go down it.

And I have this feeling that you are posting without essence to try and sway the talk elsewhere... furthermore, you almost seem like [B]Might[/B}, apologising even before you knew the roles of the lynchees... or do you know their roles Kuru? because Seer you are not.

You are much smarter than what you are playing, I've played with you before.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Mac

Why were you more concerned about how you look to others than about figuring out who the wolves were - at that time?

Problem was that I was too certain that sally and morm are Wolves and I was annoyed for being accused wrongly - which was a bit stupid from my part as I make mistakes myself too when accusing somebody.

Originally Posted by Mac

Volo's "morm should have told us" seems incredibly fake to me. No, he shouldn't have!
-It was not certain whether he would be lynched.
-There was no way he could have proved it.
-The night after he would be dead for certain.
-A wolf about to be lynched might do it hoping to get some reaction from the real ranger for his surviving.

I didn't direct that part at this game, and I appologise for bringing a completely new "useless" topic so late in the game, but I feel stupid for lynching a Ranger. To me it was pretty certain that he'd be lynched, which is my fault - concentrating on just a few at a time. And it's just much too risky for a Wolf to claim the role of the Ranger. But let's discuss this after the game.

Originally Posted by Shasta

while I'd like to see Volo lynched, I'm not sure about the rest of the village, so I don't want to throw away my vote.

Suspicious, vote for the person whom you suspect, especially at this stage (generally). Could be a bluff.

The problem with suspecting Menel is at this moment is that nearly everybody seems to suspect him, which is very odd if he's a Wolf.
But I'm quite convinced that Kath Dreamed of him.

Originally Posted by Farael

either way, you don't look so well with this sudden, last-minute "oh I feel bad about this".

Good points, changing our decisions at this time will lead to too quick decisions. I don't deny that they could be the right decisions. As I'm a bit afraid of having both Might and Menel cornered so completely. And I think you people should drop that "explain this, explain that", "start playing better" -stuff.


As from now to the deadline I can fully concentrate on WW, I'll do that. I'm not too happy with lynching Brinn, but I'll look at what has been pointed about her actions by Aganzir and Lommy.

EDIT: Xd with Farael, twice.