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Groin Redbeard · 11-29-2007, 12:17 PM

I believe the sons of Elrond were in the first movie at the council. They just sat by Elrond during the council, but I don't think they had that much of a part in the books either.

William Cloud Hicklin · 11-29-2007, 02:19 PM

It was part of PJ's 'simplification' of the story so as to not overtax the feeble minds of the ticketbuying public, to excise all mention of Arnor from the movies whatsoever. The *only* appearance is in the EE-only Aragorn/Eowyn scene, where she realises he is one of the Dunedain Rangers, and he mentions that the North-Kingdom was long destroyed. But nothing which otherwise ever suggests that Gondor had a twin realm, or who the Rangers were.

Stll, I hate that far less than Elves at Helm's Deep!

Sauron the White · 11-29-2007, 03:47 PM

PJ's simplification?????????? Do you have any idea how layered and intricate these films were compared to average Hollywood fare? Some things had to be left out simply because Jackson did not have 30 hours to make the story.
I think of just a few scenes off the top of my head to disprove such a charge. Aragorn singing about Luthien - something which meant nothing to probably 95% of those who saw the film but was a nice gesture towards layering the tale with actual Middle-earth history.

IF Jackson wanted to simplify he could have done what many would have done and made Denethor simply the King of Gondor and not wasted any space or time on the whole steward backstory and what it meant. But he didn't do that. He showed respect for the history of Middle-earth.

He certainly did not simplify the architecture and settings and went to great time and expense to get it right to be faithful to Middle-earth.

Simplification indeed!!!

11-29-2007, 12:17 PM	#1
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	I believe the sons of Elrond were in the first movie at the council. They just sat by Elrond during the council, but I don't think they had that much of a part in the books either. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

11-29-2007, 02:19 PM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	It was part of PJ's 'simplification' of the story so as to not overtax the feeble minds of the ticketbuying public, to excise all mention of Arnor from the movies whatsoever. The only appearance is in the EE-only Aragorn/Eowyn scene, where she realises he is one of the Dunedain Rangers, and he mentions that the North-Kingdom was long destroyed. But nothing which otherwise ever suggests that Gondor had a twin realm, or who the Rangers were. Stll, I hate that far less than Elves at Helm's Deep! __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

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11-29-2007, 03:47 PM	#3
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	PJ's simplification?????????? Do you have any idea how layered and intricate these films were compared to average Hollywood fare? Some things had to be left out simply because Jackson did not have 30 hours to make the story. I think of just a few scenes off the top of my head to disprove such a charge. Aragorn singing about Luthien - something which meant nothing to probably 95% of those who saw the film but was a nice gesture towards layering the tale with actual Middle-earth history. IF Jackson wanted to simplify he could have done what many would have done and made Denethor simply the King of Gondor and not wasted any space or time on the whole steward backstory and what it meant. But he didn't do that. He showed respect for the history of Middle-earth. He certainly did not simplify the architecture and settings and went to great time and expense to get it right to be faithful to Middle-earth. Simplification indeed!!!