I smell cheeze.

[Groin Redbeard]

For me the cheesiest part of the movies was in the Two Towers when Eomer was questioning the three hunters. Eomer had just insulted Gimli when Legolas chimed in and said:

You would die for your stroke fell!

For some reason I think Legolas has the worst acting parts in the movies, and they try and make up for it with his fighting scenes.

[Nerwen]

Er... you do know that's a book line, don't you?

In the case of Orlando Bloom, some of what seems to be bad scripting is actually bad acting.

I do think the script's by far the weakest part of the films, though.

[A Little Green]

Oooh what about the cheddar-scene where Aragorn starts speaking Danish to Arwen? Something like "min älskling", I just crack every time...

And then, of course, there is dear Orli with his
"They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!"
Surprise, surprise. A Mr. Obvious line for real.

"I feel a faint tingling in my fingers, I think it's affecting me!"
Oh please.

[Galendor]

During the Council of Elrond, Legolas had more of the same cheesy pointless lines. Boromir makes the argument:

"One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by evil that does not sleep, and the great Eye is ever watchful. The land is riddled with fire and ash, the very air you breath a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this, it is folly" (paraphrased).

Legolas's answer to this detailed and pertinent argument is to simply jump up and angrily cry out: "Have you heard nothing Elrond has said! We must take the ring to Mordor!!!"

Poor behavior for an elf.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Er... you do know that's a book line, don't you?

In the case of Orlando Bloom, some of what seems to be bad scripting is actually bad acting.

I do think the script's by far the weakest part of the films, though.

No, I didn't know that it's a book line, and your right it is crummy acting on Bloom's part.

[Sauron the White]

This seems to echo very familiar refrain on this site.

"If the movie scene did not work its Jacksons fault for not being more faithful to the book.

What? You mean he filmed it the exact way it was written by JRRT himself?

Okay then... its the actors ... yes thats it ... is gotta be the actors ... thats it ... it was poorly acted."

Bottom line: it is never, ever, ever the fault of the book, anything in the book, the author of the book, or even anything suggested at in the book. Remember Rule #1. Its Jacksons fault. Rule #2 - its the fault of somebody else in Jacksons movies.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Bottom line: it is never, ever, ever the fault of the book, anything in the book, the author of the book, or even anything suggested at in the book.

Think that that's because, when reading the books, one 'fills in' what is left out, and even modifies to some extent what is presented. When Aragorn speaks in the books, I do not hear Viggo but the voice of an old friend (who played Aragorn in our version of the movie). That version, had it ever been brought to fruition, would surely have had me banned from this site - even before the internet was invented - if not burned at a stake.

My imagine gets it (mostly) right in my mind, for me. Peter Jackson most likely thinks the same. He and I disagree; what of it?

StW, two notes: There exists the possibility that this site is exactly as you see it; filled to the brim with the anti-Jacksonites. If so, incorporate that obvious bit of data into your priors. In the future, then, to expect otherwise would like expecting to see this site start posting the weekly football scores. Also, having started rereading LotR yet again, I wonder if it would be helpful for you to think that, for some, this is a religious text, and anyone attempting to translate it can only open himself/herself to criticism from the true believers.

Please refer to footnote #2 regarding criticism of the Cecil B. DeMille rendition of the "Ten Commandments." More recently, Mel Gibson's version of the "The Passion of the Christ" was criticized as well. That recent Narnia movie had its rotten tomatoes as well.

To me the pattern is that you'll always find someone that doesn't like everything about a movie, and those like me that love to be picayune.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

This seems to echo very familiar refrain on this site.

"If the movie scene did not work its Jacksons fault for not being more faithful to the book.

What? You mean he filmed it the exact way it was written by JRRT himself?

Okay then... its the actors ... yes thats it ... is gotta be the actors ... thats it ... it was poorly acted."

Bottom line: it is never, ever, ever the fault of the book, anything in the book, the author of the book, or even anything suggested at in the book. Remember Rule #1. Its Jacksons fault. Rule #2 - its the fault of somebody else in Jacksons movies.

Excuse me, STW, I am not one of those who hate each and every aspect of the movies. Please don't put words into my mouth. In fact, I like the films overall, but I think they could have done with better scripting. On the other hand, some of the book dialogue had to be altered for the screen.

In this case, though, I happen to think it wasn't the fault of either the book or the screenplay, but of poor delivery by the actor. I've never seen Orlando Bloom turn in a good performance yet.

[Galendor]

Same here. I love to criticise the movies and Peter Jackson. I think the main reason for this though, is that he came so close to doing it right, and I think doing it right would have taken less work, not more. So it bothers me. Jackson should never, ever have intoduced basal humor into LOTR.

But don't get me wrong, overall I liked the movies and am glad they exist. The scenery and visuals were fantastic. Many of the characters/actors were superb, in my opinion. I loved movie Boromir, Aragorn, the hobbits, Eomer, and others, including Arwen, and I don't care if they differed in small ways from the books. "Ranger caught off his guard" doesn't bother me in the least, neither does "Give up the halfling, she-elf". But Legolas's lines were often bad, and Gimli was degraded. STW, I commend you for defending the movies, please don't stop.

[Sauron the White]

My post of yesterday was merely an effort to show the irony of the situation. This entire thread is to put on display the cheeze factor in the Jackson adaptions. So somebody criticizes lines of dialogue spoken in the films and it is pointed out to them that those lines are from the book. OOOOPS "Ya mean that Tolkien wrote cheezy lines? Could never happen."

Why does this occur here? Perhaps its the entire tone of the thread where people are expected - even encouraged and cheered on for taking easy potshots at the films displaying their prejudices and firm mindsets?

Regarding the performance by Bloom --- while it does not compare to more seasoned actors such as Holm, McKellan, Mortensen and others, it has its better moments throughout all three films. When you look at all the actors who portrayed Elves, it is onvious that they were asked to take on an air of distance and coldness as part of their personna. I do feel that people sometimes mistake that for poor acting on the part of Bloom or any other of the Elven actors.