WW XXXIX - Do Werebalrogs have wings?

[Nerwen]

At the risk of protesting too much, I'd like to address the “Nerwen lynched Rikae! She must be evil!” argument in a bit more detail.

Seriously, what is going on? I did not lynch Rikae all by my lonesome.

Rikae was lynched by the following seven people, in order of voting:

Rikae.
Brinniel.
Gil-Galad.
Volo.
Nerwen.
Legate of Amon Lanc.
Nogrod.

I've re-read the Day 1 posts, and it looks as though a lot of the push to lynch Rikae came from Legate of Amon Lanc himself. Remember his "Rikae's a liar" business?

Legate is, at the very least, being a bit of a hypocrite.

I'm not accusing him of balrog-hood at this point, even though he's making what I think is a very dubious case against me. He may have, as he says, got carried away– if so, I feel that what set him off was not really anything I did, but the fact that Macalaure stated his belief in my innocence, more than once.

Well yes, that does look bad for me. Except– would Mac have been so vocal in support of a fellow balrog? Remember, no-one was accusing me then. There was no reason for him to defend me. My own opinion is that his comments about me were simply a blind.

I will be back later with some more general comments.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I've gone over pages 1 and 2 with a fine tooth-comb and I must say that Legate and Brinniel are seeming the most suspicious to me at the moment.

I'm going to side with Nerwen, at least for the moment; the lynch of Rikae Day 1... well, it seems to me that Legate pushed it more than Nerwen did.

Also, a statement of Brinniel's discomfits me. On page 2. I believe it was (I'm bad at quotes, sorry) the statement about "not wanting to risk Rikae coming back on Day 2 and sounding innocent", which translated to me as "not wanting Rikae coming back on Day 2 and defending herself".

[satansaloser2005]

Legate seems to be garnering quite a bit of conversation today. My take on the matter? I can't decide if he's balroggy or if he's just stirring up the conversation for the rest of us. My suspicion still lies with Brinniel. I can't quite put my finger on it, but she just appears to be....what's the word....odd. Only word I can think of right now.

Alas, I need to cast my vote now, so that I ensure my ability to do so at all today. If I am incorrect in my suspicions or if I am lynched today by some drastic turn of events, I have but to wish you all good luck in your balrog-finding endeavors. Here goes:

++Brinniel


I'll try to get back in the morning (my time) and post some more discussion. Sorry I've been so short postwise. Both the day phases have taken place on the days when I am busiest. Anyway I'm going to head off to the wonderful world of sleep so I can get up and try to post in the morning

[Gil-Galad]

i totally agree for Brinniel being the next logical choice as a balrog, her subtle defense of Mac last day shows to me that she was indeed trying to protect him.

sorry for my shortness i will have a longer one tomorrow when i am no longer under the weather.

++Brinniel

in case i miss it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm about to go to bed, and there's a good possibility that I'll sleep right through the deadline, so I'll vote now. As there are already two votes on Brinniel, and there's been some lamentation on earlier days about only the one choice of lynching, I'll go with my other suspicion, and let those more informed than I make the choice.

++ Legate

Good night, everyone.

[Naria]

After getting really really confused over Noggy's and Legate's posts and reading the confusion in the last few; I have decided to give my take on things. I don't think that TM died in vain. I least in my opinion he gave us two people we can trust.

I believe that TM dreamt of Legate on pre-game Night one. He then dreamt of Mac on Night one, then dreamt of Nog Night two. I got a friggin headache trying to figure out the confusion over why Legate was being mentioned as being an ordo. So I went back and looked for the post that would solidify this. And I believe post #117 where he states that "he and Legate", meaning Nogrod and Legate, "were and are innocent". TMalso puts all his trust in both of them. Which if he really wasn't sure about one of them, just going by gut feeling(as some have mentioned), then as a Seer he wouldn't have been so trusting.

I don't know if that made any sense at all(I have a hard time getting my point across in alot of RL situations too), but it has cleared my mind about Legate.

[Brinniel]

On Nerwen. Some comments that caught my attention:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm not accusing Rikae, just pointing out that we shouldn't be assuming she's not guilty.

This seems very safe. Pointing out to others that we should suspect Rikae, without trying to sound fully suspicious herself.

She voted fifth for Rikae (Nogrod only had 2 at the time) for the reason that there wasn't anyone better. Very safe indeed.

Post 108 she seemingly tries to be helpful analysing Volo the cobbler. Yet, while she may seem helpful in doing this, in reality there wasn't ever much information to take from Volo. She even states this:

This may reflect Volo's beliefs about the identity of the werebalrogs– but as he knew no more than the other miners, what he thought isn't all that relevant.

Why analyse if what he thought wasn't all that relevant? Perhaps she is a balrog just trying to confuse us...

She votes for Gil only for the sake of avoiding a bandwagon. She doesn't really seem to have a strong case against Gil in the first place. All she says is:

No offence, Gil. But you've said some pretty strange things. Maybe it's just your way– I don't know you.

ToDay in Post 178, Nerwen becomes entirely defensive of Legate's accusations saying:

I guess I'm bound to reply to this. Legate, is (wilfully?) distorting my comments.

At the end of the post, she continues:

Legate, with his "weasel words" and twisting of facts, is starting to smell balroggish to me.

Accusing her accuser. Now that's what worries me most about her.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Said I was going to bed, decided I couldn't sleep.

Why does that seem odd to you, Brinn? This is an honest question. Maybe I'm just new-ish at this still, but it seems to me that Nerwen defending herself against Legate is what anyone would do.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Naria

I believe that TM dreamt of Legate on pre-game Night one. He then dreamt of Mac on Night one, then dreamt of Nog Night two.

Wait...that doesn't make any sense. There have only been three possible Nights to dream so far. Night 1 was pre-game basically, if you consider pre-game prior to a Day phase. Then came Night 2. And Night 3, we'll never know who The Might dreamt of. There's no way he could've dreamt of three different people before Day 2.

Originally Posted by Gil

her subtle defense of Mac last day shows to me that she was indeed trying to protect him.

When was I trying to defend Mac? He was one of my top suspects...

Originally Posted by Shasta

Why does that seem odd to you, Brinn?his is an honest question. Maybe I'm just new-ish at this still, but it seems to me that Nerwen defending herself against Legate is what anyone would do.

Mainly because not only does she defend herself, but she turns it around on Legate. Legate accuses her, and suddenly he is suspicious.

It's good to see our enigmas are at least trying be a little more vocal toDay than previous Days, even if it isn't by much. My guess is that it's mostly out of fear of getting mod-killed.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

It's good to see our enigmas are at least trying be a little more vocal toDay than previous Days, even if it isn't by much. My guess is that it's mostly out of fear of getting mod-killed.

No, it's that I know what the deadline is now. I believe I've already stated that, and your aspersions make me sad.

[Nerwen]

Here is my list of people I suspect currently:


Legate: For reasons which I've already stated. I'm not sure, though. I could also see him as just being over-enthusiastic (same with the Rikae business).


Kath: The first Day, I interpreted her Nogrod vote as an attempt to widen the field (as I did later with Gil-Galad.) But the next Day she kept on at him. Now, people seem to think that Nogrod is a very sneaky player, and I’m prepared to believe it. The fact is, though, that all Kath’s arguments were just plain weird.

I certainly felt there was something strange going on there. I don’t know, though, maybe it was a grudge match...

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

In contrary to Nog, I believe whatever he said about Kath in his last post does not necessarily have to be a reason for his kill. Remember that once the balrogs learned that TM is a Seer, they would have attacked him whether he was close to revealing one of them or not.

Yes... unless that was what finally made up their minds.


Brinniel: Like Legate, she helped make the case against Rikae, and she cast the first vote against her. Yet she, too, apparently sees nothing wrong with pointing at me for having done much the same thing that she did.

Then there was that whole thing with her and Macalaure. I could certainly read that as her making a false, half-hearted attack on him, to cover the fact that she was really going after The Might.

At the moment I can't decide which of them I suspect most. If nothing else comes up to influence my decision, I’ll probably be going for the one with the most votes already, to save my own skin.

For the last time: that is not the same as lynching someone I think is innocent. Do people understand now?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Mainly because not only does she defend herself, but she turns it around on Legate. Legate accuses her, and suddenly he is suspicious.

Oh? So why didn't I attack Mithalwen? Or Naria?

I found the nature of Legate's accusation to be highly suspicious. I have already said why.