Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, Comrades, I just realized that my schedule today as a working man does not allow me to be here before the end of the day, and this is probably the last time I can contribute today. And unfortunately, I don't have much time on my hands even now, so I have to make it brief.

Comrade Shasta says almost nothing, and that's not good, Comrades. We don't need no idleness when there are dangerous elements lurking around. Might be as well that she is one of them, also with her particularly jumpy turn against Comrade Lommy (OOC: some things sound just terrible if combined ). It seems to me that Comrade Lommy's presumptions against Comrade Nogrod were not aimed to provoke any bandwaggoning, they were just statement of facts. The same I don't think Comrade Nogrod's reaction to that is corresponding to it. However I believe this is just a misunderstanding in both cases and there are not any other intentions behind that.

While I do appreciate Comrade Macalaure's agitative attitude, I would suggest to wait with the case of Comrade Nogrod. We all know his background is very unfortunate, but I suggest we give him a chance, at least when he is trying to help, or seems like that at least. We cannot afford any mistakes, Comrades. It is true that the lurking reaction could reveal itself in Comrade Nogrod later, but I believe there are better suspects now than him. And these are those who avoid discussion, Comrades. Yes, they avoid discussion at all, like Comrade Xyzzy over there.

Others who get me worried? For example Comrade Thinlómien. It's rather unfortunate that most of the young, perspective people here are not in the Communist Youth Union, you see, Comrades. This could not end well. I mean, Comrades, where should they get the right education about the socialistic morale. Mushrooms, Comrades. But that's not what troubles me the most about Comrade Thinlómien. As I said, I don't care about her presumtive - and I believe it's preventive - attitude towards Comrades Nogrod and Volo. But what I don't like is the sneaky attitude of posting "the obvious", as she said herself, along with the typical rambling on double-lynches. That's a poor omen, Comrades. And this:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Not a nice future vision, unless all we vocal people are henchmen - which should be matemathically impossible.

This sounds like saying both "If any of the others who spoke reveals to be a henchman, then I am not" and "I am vocal", thus giving herself a defence against further attacks against her on this base. But concerning "being vocal", you see, she did not say much.

Comrade Brinniel, Susie, and Menel spoke but said technically nothing. About them, I can't say anything positive, but not even negative. And that's really a little, Comrades. If we are to hope for better future, this is not going to help. I know, like we sing: Not every day begins with darkness and ends with sun, but I say, Comrades, that if we work together, we can make it. But we need everyone to join and participate with something more than just a few words about nothing.

So, I am probably going to vote early and now. Well, why not - a member of the Party should lead by example and vote first. I am thinking about those who are less vocal, or Comrade Shasta, who is the most suspicious for me probably now. With Comrade Thinlómien's case, I think we can wait a little, if she presents herself as the servant of the rotten reactionary powers. She spoke only once this far, and since I am not coming back today, I will not be here to ponder any further contributions from her.

Vote coming in a few minutes, if anyone is around and wants to react quickly, you have the chance.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, here it is, Comrades, I have to vote.

++товарищ шаста (I mean: Shasta)

Two posts about nothing, with single attack with not much basis just to appear engaged, combined with immediate back-in-role jump to take mushrooms from someone whom he just attacked does not sound good to me.

This is my decision, Comrades. And vote wisely, don't forget we have only one retraction per game!

[Brinniel]

I do not like how Nogrod repeatedly brings up that the more free-spirited of our bunch is most likely to be evil...seems like a very typical example of scapegoating..

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Wouldn't it be perfect tactics from the part of the hippie-commie-villains to call for the execution of those ideologically different from the rest of the folks?

Yet he seems to be doing the very same thing... I wouldn't find it totally unlikely for a war-monger conservative like Nogrod to be a henchman.

Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence. For one, I don't see how wanting order makes him suspicious. This is actually something Nogrod makes sense at. We may not want some conservative close-minded government like he does, but complete anarchy would only end in violence as well. Mac has only spoken once so far...I'd like to see whether he pursues his campaign for lynching Nogrod.

As for Legate's vote, I can see where he is coming from. Taking from the one you accuse is never smart. But Shasta has said so little; I'm not sure if we should pounce on him just yet.

I apologise if anything I've said does not make complete sense...I am very tired and have had too many mushrooms...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence.

This is the problem with roleplaying... You think they both were serious. I thought neither of them was, they were just bantering/playing their roles. So...

[Meneltarmacil]

This is rather embarassing, but I really don't have much of anything to say. There just isn't enough out there for me to list any suspicions.

Plus, whenever I do post a vague thought of mine just to have something to talk about, everybody reads more into it than is actually there and winds up lynching me.

Legate has made a lot of good points and seems failry trustworthy. Suspecting the quiet ones is probably what I'd usually be doing around now as well.

Brinniel is a little worrisome with her misinterpretation of Macalaure's post, which was obviously a joke. Not that I think Macalaure's joke was completely harmless or anything, but Brinn did seem to be taking it a little too far.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod, you accuse me of pleading to the masses? Well, I will freely admit that I do! The masses need to be wakened to see the evil ways in which they are being oppressed and manipulated by the likes of you. You can defame the pure truth of my arguments as ideology, but that does not diminish their validity, and they will prevail in the end - once the public begins to see. My fellow students, and all people of this oppressed world, I indeed plead to you! Let Nogrod not put a veil over your eyes! See the truth he desires to conceal from you! Of Right and Justice he talks, but Profit and Obedience he means. Let us lynch him now before it is too late!

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I do not like how Nogrod repeatedly brings up that the more free-spirited of our bunch is most likely to be evil...seems like a very typical example of scapegoating..

Indeed! Indeed! You are on a good way to see through his web of lies and half-truths. He knows that he himself is the root of all evils. But, being a representative of the establishment, he wants to stay in power and therefore resorts to the cheap but effective tactic of turning others into scapegoats and false targets to distract from himself. Lynch him before it is too late!!


The Comrade of Amon Lanc makes some very good points at this early stage of our struggles against those in power. But that should not cause to decrease our caution about him! Even though much of what he says coincides with the truth, and even though we share a common class enemy, we should not forget that his real socialism is still only another form of oppression and we do not wish to exchange one oppressive system for another.

Let me say a few words about Lommy. These hippies are a sad story. They share our goals, they share our enemies, but they are gravely mistaken in the choice of their means. Preaching love and harmony is useless and dangerous against those who do not hesitate to deploy violence to achieve their ends. Only determined action can free us!

And keep in mind that mushrooms and such only serve to achieve acceptance of the intolerable social circumstances that we all find ourselves in. The establishment might condemn them, but secretly they are thankful for their existance.


Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.

There are still too many fine minds who yet prefer to blend themselves into the masses. Stand up! Show your individuality! The movement needs you!


ooc: Because it has been mentioned - I think the way Brinniel takes Nogrod and me serious is too obvious to be a henchmannish tactic.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.

Someone has to state the obvious and get the serious game rolling... or provoke discussion in a way or another.

Anyway, I'm afraid I must vote now. Since I find it really difficult to seriously suspect anyone at this stage, I'll vote Xyzzy (see my previous post).

++XYZZY

and also ++for locking him up rather than killing him

I hope everyone's said more by toMorrow morning, because when I have more material about people and one kill to "examine" I can hopefully vote based on real suspicions, not this kind of removing an enigma -votes which tend to be useless because they either don't gather enough support or lead to the lynch of an innocent. But if a village is to lynch an enigma, it should probably be done on the first day.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I would dearly love to know why my fellow animal lover, Thinlomien, cautions vigilance against Susie (who has yet to speak) and Nogrod (though I must protest such a conservatory nature!). Shed some light, dear one?

Oh, and I'll take a mushroom.

*hands Shasta a mushroom* Note I did not caution extra vigilance against them, I only said I would keep an eye on them, for reasons stated in my previous post.

I'm a bit concerned about the state of the village. There's a lot of joking or reaction-provoking accusations around, but only a few serious accusations. I know it's just Day1, but...

Okay, here's what I think about you guys:

Nogrod - he's having too much fun, chattering endlessly and being all over the place. I think this behaviour points either to him being an ordo or him being the Villain. He himself has said that he likes the roles of an ordo and a cobbler the best, because then he can play relaxedly and have fun and this seems exactly like it. So I guess he's either ordo or the villain, but as it's matemathically more probable that he's an ordo and he has not shown any (at least any serious) signs of being evil, I won't vote him today (unless, of course, something happens that changes my opinion) and am not too worried - yet I will keep an eye on him.

Macalaure - I can't see anything particularly suspicious in his behaviour. It's slightly difficult to decipher if he feels like his normal self with all this role stuff, but I'm not too worried.

Legate - is one of the few people who've raised serious arguments this far. His vote on Shasta was a bit hasty&unreasoned, but it was probably the best vote one (regardless of is he innocent or not) could make in his situation, so... Legate doesn't seem very wolvish, but he doesn't strike me as particularly innocentish either.

Brinniel, Volo and Menel - Haven't posted almost anything, so difficult to judge. If I had to say something, I would say that I have vague bad feelings about Menel... but I seem to suspect him always... Hey, people, I'll give you FREE MUSHROOMS if you talk more!

Shastanis Althreduin - falls into the same category with the three previous ones - except that I wonder why he didn't understand what I was saying but jumped on it. Seems like a mere misunderstanding, but you can never be sure.

Xyzzy - Oh, he's playing? Where's he? I could vote him toDay if he does not come here and contribute and I continue to be this unsure about the others. If we have no assurance he's going to be around, we could remove him on Day1 just to be sure. I mean, if he was silent through all the game and was a henchman and won this game because no one thought he could be one or we never wanted to use a lynch to kill him, I'm going to roll my eyes off. On the other hand, it's quite improbable that he's a wolf (don't wolves usually show more interest on the game?) and thus probably a waste of lynch and in a small village like this we shouldn't slaughter innocents too freely... Now I'm probably thinking this too far since there's still plenty of time for Xyzzy to show up toDay, so... But please do talk, Xyzzy, you can have a mushroom.

That was all? And there should be two wolves and a cobbler in that bunch? Uh-oh... I need to think...

EDIT:xed with Brinn