The Council of Elrond

[Meriadoc1961]

Okay, I believe that Sauron the White has made some good points about holes in the book. One I always found troubling was very early on when Frodo, Pippin and Sam are being chased by Black Riders in the Shire, and they run into Gildor and Company. So what does this leader of these Wandering Elves do? He feeds them, won't tell Frodo what these creatures are except servants of the enemy and says, "Flee them!", and then he leaves them on their own knowing that Gandalf is missing with a promise to pass on to any other Wandering Companies to be on the lookout for good ol' Frodo! So yes, the book has a few holes. But back to the Council.

In all fairness to Peter Jackson, there IS a brief commotion in the book and pillows are spilled when Gloin becomes angered at hearing from the lips of Legolas of the nice treatment being given to loathesome Gollum, when he, Gloin, was treated so badly years before! But Gandalf quickly restored order.

By the way, my wife NEVER finished the book because she just could not get through the chapter The Council of Elrond.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Meriadoc1961

Okay, I believe that Sauron the White has made some good points about holes in the book. One I always found troubling was very early on when Frodo, Pippin and Sam are being chased by Black Riders in the Shire, and they run into Gildor and Company. So what does this leader of these Wandering Elves do? He feeds them, won't tell Frodo what these creatures are except servants of the enemy and says, "Flee them!", and then he leaves them on their own knowing that Gandalf is missing with a promise to pass on to any other Wandering Companies to be on the lookout for good ol' Frodo! So yes, the book has a few holes. But back to the Council.

I rather wonder if that wasn't Elves' natural behavior. It seems their character to do stuff like that and I don't rightly know why.

As for Sauron the White's points about holes...well, I disagree, but having found out that he's read the books and loved them since '71, I will withdraw from the debate and not argue further. I know, from personal behavior, that arguing with old fans of the books is rarely worth while because people rarely change their minds about stuff. I mean, it happens occasionally, but I see this as a hopeless case. Shall we bow out, S.t.W., and leave with both our honors in tact?

In all fairness to Peter Jackson, there IS a brief commotion in the book and pillows are spilled when Gloin becomes angered at hearing from the lips of Legolas of the nice treatment being given to loathesome Gollum, when he, Gloin, was treated so badly years before! But Gandalf quickly restored order.

As brief as -

"You were less tender to me," said Gloin with a flash of his eyes, as old memories were stirred of his imprisonment in the deep places of the Elven-king's halls.

"Now come!" said Gandalf. "Pray do not interrupt, my good Gloin. That was a regrettable misunderstanding, long set right. If all the grievances that stand between Elves and Dwarves are to be brought up here, we may as well abandon this Council."

Gloin rose and bowed, and Legolas continued.

Heh...come to think of it - in the movie, 'all the grievances that stand between Elves and Dwarves' WERE brought up! And the Council was abandoned.

-- Folwren

[Sauron the White]

Folwren... I am happy to cease and desist and engage the discussion another day.

I can be convinced to points of view other than my own. Although I have loved the books for over 35 years - and the movies for far shorter length of time - I still have a great deal to learn. As do all of us. When we stop learning, we start dying.