The Best Adaptions

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

You forgot Bergil though...Since he is Beregond's son...

Yup. As well as

Fatty Bolger
Lotho Pimple
Ghan-Buri-Ghan
Imrahil
Ioreth

Seriously, though, I think the characters who survived the transition to film with the least damage were
1) Eowyn
2) Gandalf the Grey (not White)
3) Sam

Two honorable mentions:

Boromir, who isn't exactly Book-Boromir but he's not bad; and
Wormtongue, whom Dourif nails, but the visual concept for the character might as well have tattooed EVIL MINION on his forehead.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Yup. As well as

Fatty Bolger
Lotho Pimple
Ghan-Buri-Ghan
Imrahil
Ioreth

Seriously, though, I think the characters who survived the transition to film with the least damage were
1) Eowyn
2) Gandalf the Grey (not White)
3) Sam

Two honorable mentions:

Boromir, who isn't exactly Book-Boromir but he's not bad; and
Wormtongue, whom Dourif nails, but the visual concept for the character might as well have tattooed EVIL MINION on his forehead.

Hehe As I said before, You can't ruin characters if you don't have them...
This thread is really going... more than I expected.

[Essex]

MatthewM

To add to what Formendacil and Boromir88 say above -

It always amazes me how different people can have different viewpoints of characters that are almost 100% opposite to each other - I see it again and again in looking at different threads on this site. It's probably what makes this place so interesting.

I'd just like to take you up on one area of your post to explain my point above - you said re Boromir:

I do not get that from PJ's adaption. Instead, we see a man with childish grudges who gets upset when he doesn't always get his way

I see EXACTLY this when I think of book Boromir. It took me a few reads to get to this point - I remember a few years back I was re reading LOTR for the umpteenth time and we were discussing the character of Boromir on this site so I concentrated on him as I read from the Council to the Breaking of the Fellowship. I found Boromir a petulant, childish figure quite a number of times in the way he acted.

I'll try to fish out the Thread the discussion was on - and post a link here. - you might enjoy it.

Here's one of them:

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ish#post381783

and http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ish#post319074

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Essex

I'd just like to take you up on one area of your post to explain my point above -

Sigh. I thought people might let this go by now, but apparently there will always be one who throws more fuel on the fire. Anyway, you can take me up on any point you like. The points you make in your linked threads hold no substance, in my opinion, for you say-

Originally Posted by Essex

I've gone the opposite way to you Boromir, regarding your namesake. I also looked more closely at Boromir's character after seeing the scenes in the FOTR movie.
I now see him as an even more petulant, aggresive, arrogant and childish figure. You may think this is extreme, but to me I really get this view of Boromir when I read the books now.

You say that it was only after you saw PJ's overly childish Boromir that you started clinging those traits onto book Boromir. Your argument falls dead. I do not see the overly dramatized "petulant, aggressive, arrogant, and childish" character that you do. Not by a long shot. I have given ample citations in the text that cite Boromir's situation as to why he probably acted the way he did...and only once would I say he was a bit childish in the story. Aren't we all? Anyway, I do not need to cite all of my explanations again, think what you want.

[Sauron the White]

MatthewM... your opinion is your opinion and your right to have it. But I do think you are grossly misrepresenting what Essex said. Here is how you paraphrased his point

You say that it was only after you saw PJ's overly childish Boromir that you started clinging those traits onto book Boromir. Your argument falls dead.

Essex never said that Jackson showed Boromir to be childish. Just the opposite. Essex was very clearly stating that he liked the portrayal of Boromir in the Jackson films and sees him as carrying childish grudges in the books. He is not the first or only person to express such an opinion about the character of Boromir.

He never used the phrase that you attribute to him saying that Jackson showed Boromir to be childish.

I am not taking issue with your overall opinion on Boromir right now - just trying to set the record straight.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

You see, people have their own opinions. Opinions are opinions, you don't have to agree with everyone. You don't have to disagree with them either.

As my dad said "Opinions are like buttholes, everyones got them, and sometimes there stinky"