The Hobbit in July 2007? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elmo · 08-06-2007, 02:16 PM

Doesn't Tolkien mention the hobbits coming fron the east, relatively a short time compared to the Edain etc...... just a thought.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-06-2007, 02:21 PM

Yes he does.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-06-2007, 02:22 PM

They went over the Misty Mountains.

Elmo · 08-06-2007, 02:23 PM

Well then, since they are a sub-species of man and they come from the east they might share the same ethnicity as men that way.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-06-2007, 02:31 PM

Well Tolkien did describe them the way he wanted to, and it did not say that they were say...from the middle east or Africa or the Americas. and since the he was writing about middle earth which was essentially England, I wouldn't think that they would have people of other races in that particular time period, now the Easterlings would probably be a bit darker of skin as the people of Rohan, right? So the same thing would apply to hobbits. Thats just my opinion.

Elmo · 08-06-2007, 02:37 PM

No no, Middle Earth is meant to be the whole of Eurasia and Africa. Only the north-west of Middle Earth is meant to be Europe and the Shire Britian. (I like to think of the north Farthing being Scotland

) There were 'swarthy' Easterlings and I'm sure he talks about black men from Harad, from the 'burning heats' down South.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-06-2007, 02:45 PM

Oh so does that mean that the Men from Numenor were uh like Africans?

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-06-2007, 02:51 PM

Oh wait Numenor was uh drowned and it was kinda a magical country so to speak.

Elmo · 08-06-2007, 02:54 PM

No

, I just don't believe you can read Tolkien and not believe there were races of men in his story which basically followed the present day arrangement. It was a fictionalised version of our own world. He did not envisage a monochromatic one by any means.

08-06-2007, 02:16 PM	#1
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Doesn't Tolkien mention the hobbits coming fron the east, relatively a short time compared to the Edain etc...... just a thought. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

08-06-2007, 02:21 PM	#2
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Yes he does. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

08-06-2007, 02:22 PM	#3
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	They went over the Misty Mountains. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

08-06-2007, 02:23 PM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Well then, since they are a sub-species of man and they come from the east they might share the same ethnicity as men that way. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

08-06-2007, 02:31 PM	#5
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Well Tolkien did describe them the way he wanted to, and it did not say that they were say...from the middle east or Africa or the Americas. and since the he was writing about middle earth which was essentially England, I wouldn't think that they would have people of other races in that particular time period, now the Easterlings would probably be a bit darker of skin as the people of Rohan, right? So the same thing would apply to hobbits. Thats just my opinion. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

08-06-2007, 02:37 PM	#6
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	No no, Middle Earth is meant to be the whole of Eurasia and Africa. Only the north-west of Middle Earth is meant to be Europe and the Shire Britian. (I like to think of the north Farthing being Scotland) There were 'swarthy' Easterlings and I'm sure he talks about black men from Harad, from the 'burning heats' down South. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

08-06-2007, 02:45 PM	#7
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Oh so does that mean that the Men from Numenor were uh like Africans? __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

08-06-2007, 02:51 PM	#8
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Oh wait Numenor was uh drowned and it was kinda a magical country so to speak. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

08-06-2007, 02:54 PM	#9
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	No, I just don't believe you can read Tolkien and not believe there were races of men in his story which basically followed the present day arrangement. It was a fictionalised version of our own world. He did not envisage a monochromatic one by any means. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

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