WWXXXV: Werewolves among the Wolf-men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 02:14 PM

Nogrod woke up and eager to find ot some news he took a swift glance around him... he counted the sleeping outlaws. Everyone's here... the dwarves chamber..., he half ran there only to see everyone deep in sleep. Now where else...

Finally Nogrod came to sit by the pool in the early morning sunshine. No one was dead but Mîm and Gil hadn't returned either.

And everythnig looks so nice and neat, like there was no struggle, no nothing... Maybe our wolves missed this Night by sleeping over it? Or Gil is one and away and the second one missed this Night alone? This needs to be thought... as soon as I can get myself wake well enough...

Nogrod fell into his thoughts which neared half-sleep, but he would wake up in a short time...

the guy who be short · 06-30-2007, 02:41 PM

Guy was woken earlier than his usual time by nightmares of werewolves. He sat up, bolt upright, and looked around in fear.

Nogrod looked over at him and smiled. "Everybody's alive! They're all still sleeping, but I've counted; nobody's missing save Mim and Gil. Most peculiar..."

Guy didn't entirely trust him and counted himself. So it is true, he thought. We were lucky last night, but this night has been even better! Although... this lack of nightly death does make it difficult to calculate who the wolves may be. We have no records or insight into how they think.

"I think you're right," he said to Nogrod, who was the only other one awake, though one or two others were stirring. "The wolves must have slept through this night, for there is no hint of any struggle. It does indeed seem that we have inexperienced or flippant wolves, taking the night before into account too.

That said, Mr Nogrod, I have a few metaphorical bones to pick with you. But I'll get there soon..."

Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 02:58 PM

"Ahh, guy... well if you are so sure about the order of the oncominmg lynches then why not. But I'm afraid we need to give a few thoughts to this before we enter the world of metaphors. I mean we still have the two lupine creatures unidentified and sleep seems to haunt us all here. You know..."

Nogrod made a pause while he tried to articulate carefully what he was about to say.

"Have you ever wondered about the spiritual world? I mean the world of pure information and the routes the Valar uses to organise it? I had a dream that there was a disturbance in the spiritworld last Night, in the world of energy and data. I do see funny dreams every once in a while..."

Nogrod shook his head and half-laughed to his own words.

"But just think if our wolves need something like a spiritual support from the master of Angband to break this charm under which we all sleep the Nights - to make their misdeeds? Now if there was actually a disturbance in that field of energy they might have failed not because of their own fault?

I know you may think this an old man talking others the contents of his own age-old imagination... But this I still wonder... whether it's so easy I think you wish to think. I mean I thought the same thought first myself and felt relieved. But that was before I remembered my dream last Night.

And there's always the possibility that we have just forgotten any number of small details we should now hold clearly in front of our minds...

So you see, I'd really like to give this some thought before I trust my first reaction..."

Nogrod fell quiet for a while.

Brinniel · 06-30-2007, 03:30 PM

Brinn awoke tangled in quilts after an uneasy night of dreaming that every one of the outlaws were being viciously attacked by the wolves. She was unhappy after yesterday, having her gender exposed....now everyone would think her as a wimpy little girl. She sighed and pulled off her hood, running her fingers through her closely cropped hair. Replacing the hood, Brinn wandered over to where tgwbs and Nogrod sat, still half asleep. She looked around at the sleeping others and began a head count...eight of them. Wait, eight? All of them were still alive. And there was no evidence of a struggle.

"So the werewolves did not attack?" Brinn muttered. "But what does this mean? Could it be that our wolves are sleepers....Izzy maybe, and Gil-Galad who is still away? Or perhaps the wolves are more clever and actually chose not to attack in order to fool us all into thinking they are actually sleepers..."

Brinn rubbed her eyes, feeling rather frustrated.

"A death last Night would've almost been welcome. At least then we would have a clue on who the wolves could be. But now, I'm completely stumped."

the guy who be short · 06-30-2007, 03:39 PM

Guy frowned. "Would a werewolf really decide to kill nobody to trick the village? I do not think it likely, Brinn. It is always in their interests to kill, I think.

And Nogrod, I do sometimes have dreams of a similar nature to yours. A disturbance in the spiritworld would prevent the wolves from awakening at night, as the power of Morgoth would be unable to reach them. However, I had no such dream, no knowledge of such a breach in the spiritworld last night. Did anybody else have such dreams?"

the guy who be short · 06-30-2007, 04:17 PM

Guy looked at Nogrod once again and voiced his thoughts.

"Something you said yesterday caught my attention as I was mulling over the events of yesterday in my dreams. You said

Quote:

But [guy] might just be Androg whose special mission is to get rid of Beleg - whom he mistook me earlier toDay and then backed off when he realised yhay no bandwaggong was starting.

This caught my attention for two reasons.

Firstly, the claim that I was attempting to create a bandwagon is clearly wrong. Note that, in the time between my feeling you were guilty and changing my mind to feel you were not guilty, you and I and Rikae were the only ones present. It is true to say that no bandwagonning was starting, but only because nobody was there to join a bandwagon! If I had sought to start a bandwagon, surely I would not have changed my mind before most people had had a chance to think about what I'd said. Indeed, Rikae, the only other person awake at the time, did actually start to suspect you, so if anything, you must say that a bandwagon was starting.

The second thing I noticed is your talk of this Androg character, whom you seem to have invented. I do not know why, but the reasons I can think of are: to distract us, or because you know he exists. In the former case, you are a wolf, and in the latter, you are against the interests of the village.

Now, this may sound farfetched to some, but I know you are very cunning, Nogrod. If you were a wolf, I could see you planning your vote for me and the reasoning for it the next day to make you seem innocent - a perfect disguise!

When I awoke this morning, the fact that none had died cast doubt into my mind, for I could not see you forgoing a kill through idleness, Nogrod. However, your claim to have experienced spiritual difficulties in awakening at night fits my thought that you are a wolf.

And now, what do you say in your defence? For often your honeyed tongue convinces me that my thoughts are wrong, and so I wish to hear what you say before I come to any final conclusion."

Satisfied, Guy crossed his arms and settled back onto a wall.

Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 04:24 PM

"I don't know guy... this is interesting indeed. I've done some calculations as I started fearing exactly the same black plan of Morgoth in here which Brinn suggested. But if the wolves were that cunning that they intentionally skipped one Night to enhance the general mood of lynching the quiets they must have stopped short in their thinking. I mean it is a beautiful plan from the face value of it, it's just pure genius to make us run like madmen to lynch the quiets and run out of lynches. That story would have been told for centuries.

But there is a problem here in this plan and that is that we have already gained one more Day if things go badly and if we get it right toDay the last wolf is in trouble indeed with so many of us around left.

Now my initial thought is the following - and as an intial thought it will be subject to change as I have more time to think and you others voice your points I haven't possibly considered. We might do well to lynch either Gil or Izzy toDay.

But if toDay brings us no gain, we should do well to at least ready ourselves to refocus on the next Day. Happily there should be three Days to get it right at least one time - toDay that's already neatly 1/3 possibility and increasing, and to that hopefully some brain-activity can be added to adjust the ratio.

But there is now the downside I've been a bit worried all the time although it has passed my mind only seldomly. And that is that if Turín's and Nienor's fates are intertwined in the drastic manner I'm afraid they are, then losing one of them loses two of us and then we only have two Days left if we don't catch a wolf before it.

But two Days we have for sure... if anything's sure in this crazy cave..."

Immediately Nogrod realised that he and the short guy had been seaking on top of each other.

"Sorry guy, I'll come to your questions in a short while."

With that Nogrod stood up and went inside to get his pipe trying to awaken the remeberance of what guy had said while he himself had been busy talking...

Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 04:28 PM

"What have I been talking about? 1/3? My brain seems to be abandoning me... 2/9 I mean... so one from every 4½... not so promising but better than when we started. If that is any joy to anyone in the first place. Odds and security do not walk hand in hand everytime..."

Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 05:04 PM

Nogrod came back puffing his pipe and sat back down to the boulder he had sat on earlier. Guy looked at him questioningly, waiting for his answer. After puffing a few small smokerings Nogrod took the pipe from his lips and looked at guy.

"Now let's think back a little. You remeber Shasta we lynched the first evening? It turned out he was Saeros - an archenemy of Turín our other protector and helper. But there was nothing about cobblery or something like that in any evidence we have - little though that evidence is. Now we have another helper as well, Beleg. Now I just wonder whether he has a similar kind of archenemy among us... that would be Androg then, wouldn't it?

Now what is their nature and part in this madness we're in? I have no knowledge of that but I would be amazed if they were allied with Morgoth's forces. I can see Saeros hating Turín or Androg hating Beleg but it's a bit farfetched to think them allying with the Dark powers just to get rid of these two honourable men.

So it must be something different and thence I thought - and indeed expressly said it yesterDay - that we should not lynch Androg as I believe he will be counted as an innocent in the end. So your theory about me preparing a vote for you in advance kind of falls down at the same time.

But if you manage to convince me that you are not indeed Androg, the situation is different and then I could vote you for sure. Your hastiness to jump on this "incompetetive wolves"-theory, your very detailed defence of my note about your eagerness to jump on me yesterDay and the sudden change, your pre-emptive defence with your theory that I was preparing a vote for you - which was faulty as I showed you - all speak that you're a bit hasty now. I know you young men are always hurrying to action and to conclusions but I just need to think again whether that's only your recklessness or something more sinister..."

With that Nogrod smiled to the guy and took a deep inhale of smoke resulting in violent coughing.

"Gah... I should quit this smoking... But anyhow. You managed to waste my yesterDay's precious waking hours talking about myself and at the same time you managed to lure many others into that as well. Now I think I have more pressing matters to think than these. I'm sorry lad, but I really think we should concentrate on the wolves. Or is the distraction your plan, so a cobbler then after all even if I'm not yet ready to buy that explanation?"

[OOC: Darn metaphors... But I tried to say it in RPG-style. It seems that I didn't succeed or then tgwbs is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill for whatever reason of his. The reputation system was dismantled and then readjusted during our Night as some of you must have noticed. The Downs were offline during that project. I actually checked the times just now and it actually seems to have lasted only something like 1½ hours but as I hadn't been online in the morning (RL) and then just tried to get in a few times before it actually opened again 4PMGMT - I thought that it might have lasted for god knows how many hours - and thence my suspicions. So now I think the no-kill was either due to mistake or deliberate plan - not the "condition of the 'Downs".

I will delete this OOC answer to guy if Legate wishes after people have seen this. I just don't want to delve into explaining this in RPG-style and using the next half an hour to it - and then the rest of the Day arguing about this metaphore with guy...]

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06-30-2007, 02:14 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Nogrod woke up and eager to find ot some news he took a swift glance around him... he counted the sleeping outlaws. Everyone's here... the dwarves chamber..., he half ran there only to see everyone deep in sleep. Now where else... Finally Nogrod came to sit by the pool in the early morning sunshine. No one was dead but Mîm and Gil hadn't returned either. And everythnig looks so nice and neat, like there was no struggle, no nothing... Maybe our wolves missed this Night by sleeping over it? Or Gil is one and away and the second one missed this Night alone? This needs to be thought... as soon as I can get myself wake well enough... Nogrod fell into his thoughts which neared half-sleep, but he would wake up in a short time...

06-30-2007, 02:41 PM	#2
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Guy was woken earlier than his usual time by nightmares of werewolves. He sat up, bolt upright, and looked around in fear. Nogrod looked over at him and smiled. "Everybody's alive! They're all still sleeping, but I've counted; nobody's missing save Mim and Gil. Most peculiar..." Guy didn't entirely trust him and counted himself. So it is true, he thought. We were lucky last night, but this night has been even better! Although... this lack of nightly death does make it difficult to calculate who the wolves may be. We have no records or insight into how they think. "I think you're right," he said to Nogrod, who was the only other one awake, though one or two others were stirring. "The wolves must have slept through this night, for there is no hint of any struggle. It does indeed seem that we have inexperienced or flippant wolves, taking the night before into account too. That said, Mr Nogrod, I have a few metaphorical bones to pick with you. But I'll get there soon..."

06-30-2007, 02:58 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"Ahh, guy... well if you are so sure about the order of the oncominmg lynches then why not. But I'm afraid we need to give a few thoughts to this before we enter the world of metaphors. I mean we still have the two lupine creatures unidentified and sleep seems to haunt us all here. You know..." Nogrod made a pause while he tried to articulate carefully what he was about to say. "Have you ever wondered about the spiritual world? I mean the world of pure information and the routes the Valar uses to organise it? I had a dream that there was a disturbance in the spiritworld last Night, in the world of energy and data. I do see funny dreams every once in a while..." Nogrod shook his head and half-laughed to his own words. "But just think if our wolves need something like a spiritual support from the master of Angband to break this charm under which we all sleep the Nights - to make their misdeeds? Now if there was actually a disturbance in that field of energy they might have failed not because of their own fault? I know you may think this an old man talking others the contents of his own age-old imagination... But this I still wonder... whether it's so easy I think you wish to think. I mean I thought the same thought first myself and felt relieved. But that was before I remembered my dream last Night. And there's always the possibility that we have just forgotten any number of small details we should now hold clearly in front of our minds... So you see, I'd really like to give this some thought before I trust my first reaction..." Nogrod fell quiet for a while.

06-30-2007, 03:30 PM	#4
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Brinn awoke tangled in quilts after an uneasy night of dreaming that every one of the outlaws were being viciously attacked by the wolves. She was unhappy after yesterday, having her gender exposed....now everyone would think her as a wimpy little girl. She sighed and pulled off her hood, running her fingers through her closely cropped hair. Replacing the hood, Brinn wandered over to where tgwbs and Nogrod sat, still half asleep. She looked around at the sleeping others and began a head count...eight of them. Wait, eight? All of them were still alive. And there was no evidence of a struggle. "So the werewolves did not attack?" Brinn muttered. "But what does this mean? Could it be that our wolves are sleepers....Izzy maybe, and Gil-Galad who is still away? Or perhaps the wolves are more clever and actually chose not to attack in order to fool us all into thinking they are actually sleepers..." Brinn rubbed her eyes, feeling rather frustrated. "A death last Night would've almost been welcome. At least then we would have a clue on who the wolves could be. But now, I'm completely stumped."

06-30-2007, 03:39 PM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Guy frowned. "Would a werewolf really decide to kill nobody to trick the village? I do not think it likely, Brinn. It is always in their interests to kill, I think. And Nogrod, I do sometimes have dreams of a similar nature to yours. A disturbance in the spiritworld would prevent the wolves from awakening at night, as the power of Morgoth would be unable to reach them. However, I had no such dream, no knowledge of such a breach in the spiritworld last night. Did anybody else have such dreams?"

06-30-2007, 04:24 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"I don't know guy... this is interesting indeed. I've done some calculations as I started fearing exactly the same black plan of Morgoth in here which Brinn suggested. But if the wolves were that cunning that they intentionally skipped one Night to enhance the general mood of lynching the quiets they must have stopped short in their thinking. I mean it is a beautiful plan from the face value of it, it's just pure genius to make us run like madmen to lynch the quiets and run out of lynches. That story would have been told for centuries. But there is a problem here in this plan and that is that we have already gained one more Day if things go badly and if we get it right toDay the last wolf is in trouble indeed with so many of us around left. Now my initial thought is the following - and as an intial thought it will be subject to change as I have more time to think and you others voice your points I haven't possibly considered. We might do well to lynch either Gil or Izzy toDay. But if toDay brings us no gain, we should do well to at least ready ourselves to refocus on the next Day. Happily there should be three Days to get it right at least one time - toDay that's already neatly 1/3 possibility and increasing, and to that hopefully some brain-activity can be added to adjust the ratio. But there is now the downside I've been a bit worried all the time although it has passed my mind only seldomly. And that is that if Turín's and Nienor's fates are intertwined in the drastic manner I'm afraid they are, then losing one of them loses two of us and then we only have two Days left if we don't catch a wolf before it. But two Days we have for sure... if anything's sure in this crazy cave..." Immediately Nogrod realised that he and the short guy had been seaking on top of each other. "Sorry guy, I'll come to your questions in a short while." With that Nogrod stood up and went inside to get his pipe trying to awaken the remeberance of what guy had said while he himself had been busy talking...

06-30-2007, 04:28 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"What have I been talking about? 1/3? My brain seems to be abandoning me... 2/9 I mean... so one from every 4½... not so promising but better than when we started. If that is any joy to anyone in the first place. Odds and security do not walk hand in hand everytime..."

06-30-2007, 05:04 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Nogrod came back puffing his pipe and sat back down to the boulder he had sat on earlier. Guy looked at him questioningly, waiting for his answer. After puffing a few small smokerings Nogrod took the pipe from his lips and looked at guy. "Now let's think back a little. You remeber Shasta we lynched the first evening? It turned out he was Saeros - an archenemy of Turín our other protector and helper. But there was nothing about cobblery or something like that in any evidence we have - little though that evidence is. Now we have another helper as well, Beleg. Now I just wonder whether he has a similar kind of archenemy among us... that would be Androg then, wouldn't it? Now what is their nature and part in this madness we're in? I have no knowledge of that but I would be amazed if they were allied with Morgoth's forces. I can see Saeros hating Turín or Androg hating Beleg but it's a bit farfetched to think them allying with the Dark powers just to get rid of these two honourable men. So it must be something different and thence I thought - and indeed expressly said it yesterDay - that we should not lynch Androg as I believe he will be counted as an innocent in the end. So your theory about me preparing a vote for you in advance kind of falls down at the same time. But if you manage to convince me that you are not indeed Androg, the situation is different and then I could vote you for sure. Your hastiness to jump on this "incompetetive wolves"-theory, your very detailed defence of my note about your eagerness to jump on me yesterDay and the sudden change, your pre-emptive defence with your theory that I was preparing a vote for you - which was faulty as I showed you - all speak that you're a bit hasty now. I know you young men are always hurrying to action and to conclusions but I just need to think again whether that's only your recklessness or something more sinister..." With that Nogrod smiled to the guy and took a deep inhale of smoke resulting in violent coughing. "Gah... I should quit this smoking... But anyhow. You managed to waste my yesterDay's precious waking hours talking about myself and at the same time you managed to lure many others into that as well. Now I think I have more pressing matters to think than these. I'm sorry lad, but I really think we should concentrate on the wolves. Or is the distraction your plan, so a cobbler then after all even if I'm not yet ready to buy that explanation?" [OOC: Darn metaphors... But I tried to say it in RPG-style. It seems that I didn't succeed or then tgwbs is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill for whatever reason of his. The reputation system was dismantled and then readjusted during our Night as some of you must have noticed. The Downs were offline during that project. I actually checked the times just now and it actually seems to have lasted only something like 1½ hours but as I hadn't been online in the morning (RL) and then just tried to get in a few times before it actually opened again 4PMGMT - I thought that it might have lasted for god knows how many hours - and thence my suspicions. So now I think the no-kill was either due to mistake or deliberate plan - not the "condition of the 'Downs". I will delete this OOC answer to guy if Legate wishes after people have seen this. I just don't want to delve into explaining this in RPG-style and using the next half an hour to it - and then the rest of the Day arguing about this metaphore with guy...]