WWXXXV: Werewolves among the Wolf-men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 06-27-2007, 01:01 PM

"Lhuna’s way of speaking I tend to trust at the moment. She seems to be independent from others’ point of views – remember the wolves need to be liked and thence tend to be the most agreeable ones. I do disagree with her about the best code of conduct for us right now but I feel she is stating her points innocently, not maliciously. Her point on guy is fair even if I disagree with the basis of it and the one on Macalaure was sharp and to the point. I’m not going to vote her toDay unless some miracles happen.

Rikae is another one I feel pretty good at the moment. Her first speech was reasonable and she did what an innocent one should do ie. telling her mind openly and laying some suspicion around to see what happens and to open the situation in the first place. Her later discussion about the intent and content I found reasonable as well – and genuine sounding. She’s another one I wouldn’t like to vote toDay.

Tgwbs I have mixed feelings about. He seems to act and speak like a decent person – and agrees with me to be sure... – but there is something that doesn’t quite sit right with me. First of all he has been a bit too friendly to me like trying to gain a feel-good –factor with me. Secondly he also contradicts himself as he first said we
“cannot afford to wait: we must decide who the wolves are, and slay them swiftly”
and then he goes on with this lynching the quiets just to be sure... even if he clothes it under the vestige of:
“I shall declare he who I believe to be guilty of wolvery”
and giving ridiculous reasons for it:
"his sleepiness is a result of wolvery. Tiring himself with murder by night, he requires the day to sleep it away”.
If I wouldn’t like to get the non-contributors out of the way he would be one of my top suspects right now. And he is. But I will listen to you others as well before voting as we only can lynch one and throwing one’s vote away too easily is stupid (with retrackies or not).

Macalaure I feel strange right now. His first speech was far less I would have waited from him. Kind of in the middle of the road being nice and trying to sound reasonable without actually saying anything, eg.:
“Let us no longer offer the obvious, or jest our time away, or condemn companions by causes contrived of questionable content”
and sticking to the obvious suspects like Shasta and Rikae who had been a bit bold just a moment before him. In his second speech he kind of suspects people who are not full-time analysing others who have spoken but doesn’t contribute a lot himself either in that cause. I’d hate to lose an innocent Macalaure toDay and as I don’t have more on him I will not vote him either toDay... unless the miracles.

I need to bring myself up to date with everythnig that has passed meanwhile as I see Brinn, Gil, Lhuna and Mac have spoken yet more.”

Nogrod picked his pipe and started cleaning it and fell down to his thoughts.

Nogrod · 06-27-2007, 01:22 PM

Suddenly Nogrod stood up again. His eyes were startled.

"The Day is ending soon and we need to make a decision. Let's consider our choices together. If Xyzzy and Isabell are not going to show up the curse will take them in the end of toMorrow. If they are innocents it will be a mighty blow to our numbers. We might reduce that shock by lynching one of them ourselves if we don't have a strong belief we have an actual more talkative wolf in our hands toDay.

Just consider this. This is a bit too sleepy place anyway and the talkers can be analysed unlike the people in the shadows.

Of the others I'd think Gil to be more on the innocent side but might go with Shasta or Brinn or tgwbs - albeit less eagerly than with the silent ones."

WIth that Nogrod lit his pipe he had been filling while he spoke and sat down, puffing rings from the smoke and looking sternly at the others around the pool.

Nogrod · 06-27-2007, 01:28 PM

Nogrod opened his left eye and glanced around him.

"Xyzzy, Shasta and Mac now have one vote each... and if Isabell and Xyzzy will stay asleep there will be five votes left - if Mith is withholding her vote. So all the possibilities are open. Please speak of your feelings and do not hide."

Macalaure · 06-27-2007, 01:43 PM

"I agree with Nogrod that, given the quietness in Bar-en-Danwedh of late, we should leave one of the quiet or silent outlaws behind us. Lynching a silent one might mean that we waste a lynching, because the elected one would have been removed one day later anyway. I don't like this idea. I think we fare best with lynching somebody who was there, but said little, and is suspicious at least to a certain degree.

My preference still lies with Shasta.

And, Rikae, if you think I would refrain from voting you out of chivalry, then you do not know this outlaw, my Lady."

Nogrod · 06-27-2007, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Lynching a silent one might mean that we waste a lynching, because the elected one would have been removed one day later anyway. I don't like this idea.

"Don't you see this my friend? If they are removed after toMorrow and they are innocents, then on Day three which is a critical phase anyhow we have actually less in numbers that we would have if we lynched them ourselves! Why let a curse kill an innocent - or two - if we're not sure whom we lynch ourselves? Just more innocents dying...

Or are you so sure about your instincts / cases as to lynch someone who has at least said something toDay?

I'm all for lynching Shasta, to be sure, but with our numbers I'm not quite sure it's the best choice we have."

Macalaure · 06-27-2007, 01:54 PM

"I only think that the only way to overcome these beasts is to lynch them. If one of the two is a wolf, she or he will be dead tomorrow anyway. If not, then I would not want to waste lynchings on them, unless I really had no clue at all, which is not the case, for me."

Nogrod · 06-27-2007, 01:57 PM

"Are you that sure Mac? I can vote Shasta if that is needed. And after all his contribution is not much more than that of Xyzzy or Isabell. I'm just afraid of our numbers going down drastically for Day3..."

Brinniel · 06-27-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If they are removed after toMorrow and they are innocents, then on Day three which is a critical phase anyhow we have actually less in numbers that we would have if we lynched them ourselves!

"But how can we know for sure? There is always a chance that amnesty is given, and with our small numbers, I wouldn't be surprised.

"I encourage that you retract this vote and vote for someone who actually has reason to be suspicious of.

"It seems few are willing to join me on this and I have seemed to fail to convince you to follow my word, but nevertheless, I am a man of my word:

++tgwbs"

06-27-2007, 01:01 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"Lhuna’s way of speaking I tend to trust at the moment. She seems to be independent from others’ point of views – remember the wolves need to be liked and thence tend to be the most agreeable ones. I do disagree with her about the best code of conduct for us right now but I feel she is stating her points innocently, not maliciously. Her point on guy is fair even if I disagree with the basis of it and the one on Macalaure was sharp and to the point. I’m not going to vote her toDay unless some miracles happen. Rikae is another one I feel pretty good at the moment. Her first speech was reasonable and she did what an innocent one should do ie. telling her mind openly and laying some suspicion around to see what happens and to open the situation in the first place. Her later discussion about the intent and content I found reasonable as well – and genuine sounding. She’s another one I wouldn’t like to vote toDay. Tgwbs I have mixed feelings about. He seems to act and speak like a decent person – and agrees with me to be sure... – but there is something that doesn’t quite sit right with me. First of all he has been a bit too friendly to me like trying to gain a feel-good –factor with me. Secondly he also contradicts himself as he first said we “cannot afford to wait: we must decide who the wolves are, and slay them swiftly” and then he goes on with this lynching the quiets just to be sure... even if he clothes it under the vestige of: “I shall declare he who I believe to be guilty of wolvery” and giving ridiculous reasons for it: "his sleepiness is a result of wolvery. Tiring himself with murder by night, he requires the day to sleep it away”. If I wouldn’t like to get the non-contributors out of the way he would be one of my top suspects right now. And he is. But I will listen to you others as well before voting as we only can lynch one and throwing one’s vote away too easily is stupid (with retrackies or not). Macalaure I feel strange right now. His first speech was far less I would have waited from him. Kind of in the middle of the road being nice and trying to sound reasonable without actually saying anything, eg.: “Let us no longer offer the obvious, or jest our time away, or condemn companions by causes contrived of questionable content” and sticking to the obvious suspects like Shasta and Rikae who had been a bit bold just a moment before him. In his second speech he kind of suspects people who are not full-time analysing others who have spoken but doesn’t contribute a lot himself either in that cause. I’d hate to lose an innocent Macalaure toDay and as I don’t have more on him I will not vote him either toDay... unless the miracles. I need to bring myself up to date with everythnig that has passed meanwhile as I see Brinn, Gil, Lhuna and Mac have spoken yet more.” Nogrod picked his pipe and started cleaning it and fell down to his thoughts. Last edited by Nogrod; 06-27-2007 at 01:05 PM. Reason: adding the parentheses to the beginning to make the post look like a speech...

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06-27-2007, 01:22 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Suddenly Nogrod stood up again. His eyes were startled. "The Day is ending soon and we need to make a decision. Let's consider our choices together. If Xyzzy and Isabell are not going to show up the curse will take them in the end of toMorrow. If they are innocents it will be a mighty blow to our numbers. We might reduce that shock by lynching one of them ourselves if we don't have a strong belief we have an actual more talkative wolf in our hands toDay. Just consider this. This is a bit too sleepy place anyway and the talkers can be analysed unlike the people in the shadows. Of the others I'd think Gil to be more on the innocent side but might go with Shasta or Brinn or tgwbs - albeit less eagerly than with the silent ones." WIth that Nogrod lit his pipe he had been filling while he spoke and sat down, puffing rings from the smoke and looking sternly at the others around the pool.

06-27-2007, 01:28 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Nogrod opened his left eye and glanced around him. "Xyzzy, Shasta and Mac now have one vote each... and if Isabell and Xyzzy will stay asleep there will be five votes left - if Mith is withholding her vote. So all the possibilities are open. Please speak of your feelings and do not hide."

06-27-2007, 01:43 PM	#4
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	"I agree with Nogrod that, given the quietness in Bar-en-Danwedh of late, we should leave one of the quiet or silent outlaws behind us. Lynching a silent one might mean that we waste a lynching, because the elected one would have been removed one day later anyway. I don't like this idea. I think we fare best with lynching somebody who was there, but said little, and is suspicious at least to a certain degree. My preference still lies with Shasta. And, Rikae, if you think I would refrain from voting you out of chivalry, then you do not know this outlaw, my Lady."

06-27-2007, 01:54 PM	#6
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	"I only think that the only way to overcome these beasts is to lynch them. If one of the two is a wolf, she or he will be dead tomorrow anyway. If not, then I would not want to waste lynchings on them, unless I really had no clue at all, which is not the case, for me."

06-27-2007, 01:57 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"Are you that sure Mac? I can vote Shasta if that is needed. And after all his contribution is not much more than that of Xyzzy or Isabell. I'm just afraid of our numbers going down drastically for Day3..."