WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

It comes out of nowhere. You haven't even mentioned me so far the whole day, except when you founded your suspicion of Brinniel on my, apparently wolvish, comments. Your explanations for the vote consist exclusively of Day One stuff, you seem to have intentionally ignored what I've said on Day Two.
Altogether this is, I'm afraid to say it, very wolvish.

Exactly and that was why I reffered to my Day 1 suspicion of you. . . Plus it was a matter of me having to vote with no real top-suspect, so I chose a few people and read through most of their post and that was the best case I saw.

When you are pretty much lost (as i did say I was) and are forced to vote so long before deadline then these things happen.

I still think the case is alright though. . . . I grant you that it is not the best in the world, but definitly alright.


Edit:

Sorry I miss read Mac's post and therefor my reply might seem weird.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Your Day two stuff was of no interest, nothing at all was worth mentioning and that does not mean you are innocent. That is just how it is when I read posts, I only find interesting stuff in like 10%.

Interesting = Things that points towards guilt or innocens

[Anguirel]

I decided on a novel tactic today. Read but don't talk. Not my kind of thing, but I'm dabbling with it as an experiment.

Would a wolf-Sauce go so all out on a duel as this one he's having with Saruman? I don't quite believe so. I think that in so far as one can generalise this particular caterer's style, he's more vehement (as he's being at the moment) when innocent, but likes to store up some credibility when a wolf by not committing himself too drastically (though usually pretty drastically).

What I'm getting at is that Sauce, like me on occasion, is very prone to duelling with innocents. That's what seems to me to be going on here, and the rest of you seem to agree because you're striving to explore other options, e.g. Rune and Mac, avoiding the duellists.

But if one of them is guilty I'd still plump for Sauce.

My rationale yesterday was challenged, especially by Volo and Sauce. The thing is that many werewolves love to snuggle in on a consensus. It was therefore interesting to see exactly who attacked Volo before everyone was turned off by his revelation - and why they did. I thought Brinniel's actions looked tentative and out of the blue so I zeroed in on her.

I will probably help lynch Rune today, as he's my main suspect currently in the spotlight.

I'm feeling a bit helpless to be honest. About the Gifted roles - I imagine we can expect more combo-madness. To think what a Ranger-Assassin could have achieved...in many ways a role I'd have loved to possess. Incredibly frustrating. Ah well.

[Kath]

Ooh suspicion, was wondering when that was going to turn up. I suppose I'd best defend myself somewhat. Let's see.

That thing I was going to mention but never did was purely because I changed my mind, and no it was nothing to do with you or Aganzir. Why should it have been? Was there something on Day 1 between the two of you I should have noticed? If you want to know what it was I was going to mention it was a point about Legate that I have since brought up I think, the one about it looking like he was trying to get Gifted's to reveal. I have been in too many villages where Day 1 discussion is dominated by that argument and didn't want to have the same one again.

As for your comment about Mith, I had come back and flicked through the posts before making a short one of my own before I went off to write a mammoth LJ post. If it feels plastic it's probably because it was written in very little time and almost in draft form, as I was noting down points as I went along.

Um, I don't entirely understand the thing you're saying about Legate and Aganzir. I didn't think that Aganzir was going to die, as far as I recall she didn't even have any votes.

Stylewise I wouldn't bother concentrating on my past games. My style changes constantly depending on how much time I have and how I'm feeling more than role. Yes, I do praise people. I like to see others making good points (mostly 'cause it means I don't have to come up with them myself!) and if someone says something I agree with or I think good then I praise them for it.

As for Rune, I keep attacking him because I think he's suspicious. He has still not said anything constructive. He claims it is because everyone keeps jumping on him. OK, so defend yourself once and move on. We'll jump on you less if you show us something useful.

Now, I know that it is difficult to do, but I really think this double lynch idea could work for us. The more Volo speaks the more I move into the camp that says maybe, just maybe, he isn't what he says he is. I would love for him to be a known innocent, and what luck we have in that we can prove it without killing him! Is anyone interested in this? If not I'll be quiet about it but it doesn't do us any harm and it may do us a lot of good.

So few have spoken so far toDay. It's worrying really, and especially bad that Legate is away as he's a strong suspect to quite a few people. Let's just hope more turn up soon. I'll be around for a while yet.

[Anguirel]

Come to think of it Kath, maybe, just maybe I ought to suspect you...typically low-key but thorough appearances...very, very consistent attacks which is a way of being less helpful than you seem...you would be especially deadly if combined by some freak combination of the stars with that sweetie Brinniel.

I'm going to do some more reading. Urrrgh...

[Anguirel]

No, scratch that Kath, I do think you're innocent. That double-lynch with Tolkien plan seems to me too off-piste and bizarre to fit with the profile I gave you above (essentially that of a stereotypical Kathwolf). You are using your head to greater extent than I.

Now where is that Diamond? I think Audrey must have a case of ennui again. Can't say I blame her, but it is a convenient pose and if she awakes from her languor occasionally to nail decent citizens like Boro then it looks fairly diabolical.

May well vote for her.

[Kath]

Oh yes, and I was going to look at the Boro voters from yesterDay.

Volo - began the anti-Boro thing by saying that he was acting un-Boro-ish, a point thought off by Sauce and I do agree, as Boro hadn't had the time needed to act like himself.

Legate - picks up on Volo's point and proceeds to expand upon it, pretty much condemning Boro within one post. Thinks there is a connection between Sauce and Boro, with Boro basically covering Sauce by putting the attention on Ang and Legate. Odd logic indeed. He says that by not really mentioning him (i.e. Legate) it will make people look more at him, but then he says that by not mentioning Sauce it will make people think he's innocent. Very twisted reasoning there. He then makes a pretty cutting analysis of Rune, but even though he finishes by deciding that he's suspicious he still goes and votes Boro, without the latter having been mentioned in the previous post.

Aganzir - was suspicious of Boro due to his vote for himself, which is reasonable. We who are used to Nilp don't really bat an eyelid at such antics anymore, but for someone who hasn't seen that particular tactic before it would certainly get your attention. Voted for Boro because none of her other suspects looked likely to be lynched.

Diamond - pops in at the last minute and votes Boro to save Legate. It would be a very risky thing to do if both she and Legate were wolves, but it's certainly not unheard of.

Rune - switches to Boro at the very last minute for, uh, no reason! Self-preservation he says, but he wasn't in danger. The flurry of last minute voting was all around Boro and Legate. Perhaps a wolvish Rune just making sure a wolvish Legate stays safe? Again risky, but possible.

So, who of these could be wolves?

Well we know my thoughts on Volo and Rune already and what I want to do about it so I'll leave that be, though that vote for Boro just makes the latter look even more suspicious to me.

Sadly Legate isn't with us toDay so there's going to be no new information to base anything off. Based on the posts of the past 2 Days though I'd say he could well be a wolf.

I'm still thinking Aganzir is innocent. Her posts, the tone used and the content, all of it strikes me as innocent.

I'm not sure on Diamond, haven't really seen enough of her. Since I think both Rune and Legate are wolves I'm not sure I can consider her one. I mean, two wolves in this bandwagon is a lot, three is just insane! In addition, the vote made sense. When she turned up it was a choice between Boro and Legate and she voted for the one she thought the least useful. Since that's what I'm basing a lot of my argument against Rune on I can hardly argue against it.

So ... double lynch anyone? 'Cause I really, really want some hard evidence as to Volo's role. If he hadn't revealed he'd be on my list as a wolf anyway with his posts.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have lost faith in this and in my chances of saving my self, therefor I will give Kath something useful.

I was your last line of defence! I am your Ranger/spy

My role was the one of a normal Ranger, but I could also chose to spy on people during night. I would only be told whether those i spyed on was ordos, special role or if it was my twin role!

Lommy of course was my twin role and that was the reason for my outburst. . .It was very tragic-comic that I chose to spy on her rather than protect her that night.

Now I also had my first spying and I spottet a person that has a special role, I am a bit torn on whether I should reveal it as it could be our seer.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am going to my fathers now so I will not be able to respond for at least 30 min. probably more.

It is unfortunate, but that is how it must be.

[Volo]

Who has the special role, I don't frankly believe you.

[Kath]

Well, that just sucks. You have my apologies Rune, guess the old Gifted/wolf similarities were catching me out again. Of course this could be one heck of a trick, since Lommy is dead she can't deny or confirm this. Oh, and as to whether you should reveal who you spied on, do you see wolves and Gifteds differently or not? If not then don't reveal. We need the Seer too badly.

But you know what;

++ VOLO

It's killing me not knowing. If I get no support I'll retract, most likely to Legate as he was the one I found next most suspicious after Rune.

[Brinniel]

Oh my. I was certainly not expecting this.

Now, of course, you could be lying, but then I remember this narration:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Two trailers were watched by unseen eyes that night; but for what purpose I cannot say.

As twin roles, this line starts to make sense. I was wondering why it said "two trailers," but now I see that perhaps this could hint one trailer was watched by Lommy, and the other by Rune.

I was planning to vote for Rune, but I'm not sure what to do now. I need to take another look through the thread. Unfortunately, I need to vote within the hour as I have to be at work a half an hour before the deadline...