Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Nogrod]

And Spm then... Well, well, well.

Myself and Mac have made a few questions on him and it seems Lommy and Rikae at least are thinking him suspicious. I'm not going to recount those things but only add one small thing more that has caught my eye lately.

He has been the second staunchest defender of the voice of reason and the shade. Now underlining openly that it's best for the shade to help us villagers in a situation where no one knows how the shade will act will make things in reality harder for the vamps and helps us if it influences the decisions of the shade. So doing that actually might help us indeed. But I've done the very same bluff a long time ago. By bringing forwards a way of playing that made it harder for the wolves (which I were one myself then) to win won me a lot of trust... And I know Spm is easily capable of pulling the same trick.

[Nogrod]

Nice variety here...

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Spm 1)

The list candidates boldened.

Happily a lot of votes to follow.

[Kitanna]

I need vote now, since I'll be in class when Day ends, but I'm entirely sure what to do. I'm tempted to vote for Glirdan since it looks like one way or another he will die due to his inactiveness. But I don't like the idea of voting for someone for that reason and that reason alone. In what little time I have left I'm going to look at a few people and make my decision from there.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I would just like to point out that I have not been putting seriouse accusations forth against Lommy, I was just trying to raise awareness about her and possibly hear what others think.

Of course I am willing to vote for Lommy if it is necisary, but that is a completely different talk.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I think it would be amusing if Glirdy were an actual vampire. However, since he's probably going to be modkilled anyway, I think I'm going to vote Legate for two reasons:

1. He's on the list of five, two are vampires (if Nogrod's not lying)

2. Gil and Boro keep bringing up the possiblity of a connection between Legate and myself, and if to lay this to rest, one of us has to die, then I'd much rather it be him than me.

++Legate

Edit: x'ed with Rune

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

(if Nogrod's not lying)

You'll find it out toMorrow in any case. Either Glirdy is modkilled and we know how things are or then he miraculosly appears back to the game and will tell himself.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

She has been the most knowledgeable about things the vampires might do like reminding us about the special roles and how the vamps might use them.

Because this game is, after all, quite new to me and I wanted to be sure I understand the rules.

I'm going to at least see if I can make anything out of my Rune project, but when I posted it, I really didn't have the time. The main reason why I decided to make it was that Rune was, as I saw it, avoiding suspicion because everyone seemed to suspect he was the Shade.

There were 30 posts I found, but he actually said very little - enough that others saw he was around, but not anything that would really have helped.

I would like to hear, why Rune thought Rikae should dream either of Nogrod or of Roa. Why not Spm, who was suspected more than Roa? If two of Menel-voters have lied, I think they might be Rune & Spm (though there's still the possibility of Legate being a Vampire, as I am not, and don't believe that Lommy is). Rune's vote for Legate is strategically placed, as now Legate and Spm are tied - if he had voted for Spm, it could have been expected that most of the following votes were for Spm (seeing what happened on the first two days). Even if Rune's vote didn't count, it'd not be obvious that Spm would die.

edit: xed with Shasta

[Boromir88]

I am rather concerned with the way that Nogrod has used his claimed Hunter status to come up with al this useful information, rather late in the day as it were.~SpM

I think it unlikely, because it would be rather unsporting of Nogrod, and so out of character, to claim that he did not notice a PM when there was no such PM there. So, it is probably best to work on the assumption that his claim is true for now.~SpM

And this is why I'll be voting for...

++The Saucepan Man

Clever vampiric tactic here to try to sew some confusion and doubt at the end. I think our Sir SpM realizes he's going down and is now trying to cast doubts in everyone's heads. Quite clever, as when I'm a wolf and I know I'm going down I want to do the exact same thing. He comes out to try to cast doubt into Nogrod's claims, and then he goes on to say its unlikely and we should believe it.

Nogrod is the hunter and is the lynch seer, if you can't tell this by the sincerity of his posts than go build me a bridge.

x-ed with Rune and Shasta

[Boromir88]

Oh and I know I said I likely wouldn't vote for SpM today, but I think the situation and information has dramatically changed (thank you Nogrod for finding that e-mail)

[Thinlómien]

Okay then. I'm not a coward. I'll vote Sauce. He's slightly more suspicious than Legate, and I'd love too see Legate around saying something before he's lynched, I think it'd be just fair, (if he could come around toMorrow...? I'd like to give him the last chance toMorrow.)

Others (especially Mac and Nogrod) have raised good points against Sauce and I will not repeat them here. If you say two of me, Aganzir, Rune, Legate and Sauce are vampires (or one might be the shade) I can rule myself out and am inclined to trust Aganzir, so that leaves me with Rune (who I feel least vampiric of the remaining ones), SPM and Legate. So I wouldn't be surprised if Sauce and Legate were actually both wolves and as I said I want to give Legate a chance so my choice is logically SPM.

++El Hombre Saucepán (or whatever that funny version of his name was )

edit: xed with everyone after Kitanna

[Kitanna]

I have no time to explain, but

++ Eomer

I'm already late for class, but when the next Day begins I will give my reasoning behind this vote.

[Thinlómien]

Kitanna looks quite bad, but maybe she's actually too uninvolved and careless to be a vamp... I'd love to hear more of her toMorrow!

If both SPM and Legate are wolves, I think there's a good chance of Shasta being a wolf as well.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Kitanna looks quite bad, but maybe she's actually too uninvolved and careless to be a vamp... I'd love to hear more of her toMorrow!

If both SPM and Legate are wolves, I think there's a good chance of Shasta being a wolf as well.

*headdesk* I give up. I've explained that there is no connection between me and Legate, and I don't know where the SPM connection came from, but apparently no one's listening to me.

Edit: Not to mention the fact that SPM and I are both voting for Legate, when it would be just as easy to vote Eomer instead, as they have the same amount of votes.

Edit again: Scratch that last part, it's SPM, not Eomer, with 3 votes. Sorry about that.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think it'd be just fair

When did fairness become introduced to this game? I for one was not notified.

I always feel weird about giving people a chance to speak up one of the following days, even though I do it sometimes. The thing is that often the game takes an unexpected turn and people forget about their previouse suspicions. . .There is a lesser chance for it to happen as we are fairly sure that 2 vampires are in this group.

anyways I will be voting Legate!

I did not get him killed in the last game I played in and he turned out to be a wolf, so this is going to be sweet if he is a vampire.

++Legate

[Nogrod]

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Spm 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 1)
Boro: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 2)
Lommy: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 3, Eomer 1)

If that is correct...

I'm looking at the voting on Day1 yet again to make some comparations with yesterDay's one.

[Nogrod]

This is a corrected vote count of votes from Day1;
Kitanna 2
Rikae 4 (not3)
Gil 1
Sixth 1
Menel 2
Legate 2 (not3)
Celuien 4 (told openly) / 5 (told by Eomer)
Rune 1

No vote stated: Xyzzy, Di, Shasta, Kitanna, Durelin, Glirdy

Now Dury told us she didn't vote and Glirdy we know didn't vote.

How about the rest? Did anyone of them comment their voting afterwards?

There are four unknown votes in here. If there is one vote for Celuien among them then Celuien-voters indeed look pretty much safe. That means: Lommy, Eomer, Aganzir & Roa (whom we know already). But if there is more than one there might be a vampire lurking within the Celuien-voters.

Of course if Eomer was messing with the tally the situation is different.

So it would help us a lot to know who of those four we don't know voted for whom.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nogrod, I didn't manage to vote Day 1 (didn't I say that?)

Edit: Yeah, just looked it up, post 176.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Nogrod, I didn't manage to vote Day 1 (didn't I say that?)

YOu might have said it. I just don't remember it but I was going to ramble the thread through to find about these "missing votes"... Thanks for the info. So it's Xyzzy, Di and Kitanna and one vote for Celuien enough to make the Cel voters kind of safe but two votes to make one of them look pretty bad...

You probably understand the reason I'm doing this... As Lommy and Aganzir are on this list as well it would help us a lot to see this connection through.

Sadly both Di and Kitanna seem to have left for toDay.

They must be asked toMorrow!

[Nogrod]

Some pretty remarkable information again...

No vote stated: Xyzzy, Di, Shasta, Kitanna, Durelin, Glirdy

Now it looks like the following:
Xyzzy -> Lommy
Di -> Legate
Shasta -> no vote
Kitanna -> no vote
Durelin -> no vote
Glirdy - no vote

Which means the ending number of votes is:
Celuien 4 (got them earlier)
Rikae 4
Legate 3
Menel & Kit 2
Gil, Sixth, Rune, Lommy 1

= 19 votes + 4 no votes = 23 = all declared

So either Eomer lied about the vote tally (and should be lynched because of that - and if this is why Kit was after him then kudos to her!) or then someone innocent has lied about voting for someone else while giving her/his vote to Celuien which I find a bit odd...

If someone has made that little trick, please let us know because otherwise we might have toMorrow's lynching ready already...

I need to think this again if there is a flaw in this but I'll post it for you others to see.

[Boromir88]

Interesting SpM and Legate tied up at 3...but is that really the case? If SpM and/or Rune/Shasta can not actually vote this would mean SpM is still in the lead.

I don't think any SpM voter (myself, Rikae, Thinlomien) is a vampire. And I have a feeling there is at least one vampire (SpM) in the Legate voters. With Rune/Shasta being either another vampire (Shasta) or the shade (Rune?)

Which leaves the mass of voters who haven't voted yet, voted for someone else, or we have no clue who they voted for:

Di
Xyzzy
Gil
The Sixth
Kitanna
Eomer
Glirdan
Aganzir
Nogrod
Durelin
Mac
Legate

Of that massive group Nogrod and Mac are known innocents (no ifs ands or buts about it people).

If Aganzir is a vampire, congrats in your first game and completely fooling me and sending me back to school.

Gil has posted more than me, so for that alone if he's a vampire he deserves to win.

Leaving everyone else in one glob to start figuring out...ummm tomorrow seems like a better day to do that.

Edit: x-ed with Nogrod and Aganzir