Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Nogrod]

A piece of information and my apologies!

I was the lynch seer last Night! It was posted to my e-mail and not on my BD PM and I noticed it just now.

No problem as I would have not given Menel a free kill anyhow.

But the inmportant part is here. He got 5 votes.

Here's the tally of voiced votes with Menel on:
Rune: Menel (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Boro: Legate (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Roa: Nogrod (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Durelin: Boro (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 1)
Lommiella: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 2)
Aganzir: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 3)
Mac: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 4)
Esspiem: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 5)
Legate: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 6)
Nogrod: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 7)

Of those bolded two have lied. Mac and I are innocent (and this time I didn't lie).

Rune, Lommy, Aganzir, Spm, Legate - and two wolves (or one wolf & the shade possibly) in there.

Good that I found that e-mail...

[Rikae]

Well, that's an eye opener, and no mistake...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So do we just start at one end of the list and start the killing or what are peoples thoughts?

hmmm I suppose this is not the sort of thing you would lie about, then you would surely only have said that there was one wolf amongst us.

Think about how useful a tool this could be for a bold wolf, if the real lynch seer did not make it to the next day. . .

anyways I am not thinking that this is the case, it was just a thought that popped into my mind.

[Rikae]

I'm inclined to think SPM is the best candidate from that list...who's with me?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think him a better candidate than Rune and Aganzir, they both seem innocent to me.

I would be equally willing to vote Lommy, SPM and Legate.

[Nogrod]

The list is almost like my top five to begin with.
(And yes my top suspect is in there too which I'm pretty delighted about)

I hope you keep on understanding me not being too open about all of my convictions but I have time now and could try and see for some points on all of the five.

I hope Mac and Boro could come to share their thoughts. Although they're probably not right in everything they think they're still innocents and thence we should hear their advice as well.

But I'll try to do my part.

Hope you Rikae have a moment or two to spare as well.

And I do hope that you others contribute too. This might be made a lot easier with lively discussion.

[Thinlómien]

Uh-oh. Well that's definitely an interesting piece of news! But the lynch seers seem to be far greater advance for us than I first thought.

Of those I could vote Rune, SPM or Legate, since I pretty strongly feel Aganzir is innocent. Of those I'm least suspicious of Rune being a vampire... So I guess my vote is going to be for Legate or SPM. Maybe it'd be better to vote Legate since that might also be getting rid of a possible wolf-slipping-under-radar-because-of-absence. And I have to vote and leave soon (in an hour probably).

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here are some thoughts then to begin with.

Aganzir has been remarkably cool and intelligent. She plays sharply. And that's kind of the reason why I suspect her on the basis of gut-feelings. She has been the most knowledgeable about things the vampires might do like reminding us about the special roles and how the vamps might use them. I at least forgot them in the beginning of the game quite a many times. But still she's quite reserved. She rarely makes any concrete points but feels more like avoiding any controversy or straight suspicions on anyone. ToDay she at last managed to make one more concrete post (about Rune) but in the end she didn't say anything about it...

So a witty vampire playing it safe? Seeing how no one seems to think her the vampire kind of strengthenes the point here. And if she is, then my congratulations to her for one of the coolest first games I've seen.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

ToDay she at last managed to make one more concrete post (about Rune) but in the end she didn't say anything about it...

Yes, but she said:

Originally Posted by Aga

I hope I managed to notice all his posts. I would have done more, but my bus leaves in five minutes and I really have to run. I'll be back before the deadline and see what I can make out of this.

So I gather she's to be back and to continue her case against Rune.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lommiella

Not necessarily. Were you a vampire with some of us, that'd exactly be your defense.

Well, most things said and done in this game can be interpreted either way. Which is why, even with the limitations we have here, the voting record still provide us with some of the best evidence we have. And this is particularly so now, in light of this:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Rune, Lommy, Aganzir, Spm, Legate - and two wolves (or one wolf & the shade possibly) in there.

... which is incredibly helpful, I think (although also slightly unhelpful to me ... )

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm inclined to think SPM is the best candidate from that list...who's with me?

Think what you like, but I can assure you that I submitted a vote to the Oracle and, as far as I am aware, it counted in the votes for Menel. Would I really have been banging on about the Menel vote if it was likely to prove this unhelpful to the Vampires ...? Oh wait. Yes, because that would be exactly my defence.

Rune and Legate seem the most likely candidates to me, although I still wonder whether Rune might be the Shade.

I was thinking of voting for Shasta but, in light of this information, I will cast my vote as follows:

++Legate

I must vote now, as I will not be back before the deadline.

Current stated votes are, believe, as follows:

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)

[Rikae]

I have to leave now...I'll just cast my vote for
++SPM

and let the chips fall where they may.

Goodbye! I doubt I'll be back...

[Thinlómien]

I'm kind of torn between Sauce and Legate... I already stated the reasons to vote Legate, but Sauce feels slightly a tiny little bit more suspicious. And I'm not definitely going to do an analysis - in Legate's case there would be almost nothing to analyse and in Sauce's case there would be too much.

edit: xed with Nogrod

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

hmmm I suppose this is not the sort of thing you would lie about, then you would surely only have said that there was one wolf amongst us.

This caught my eye. Are you speaking metaphorically or saying that there really was only one wolf, erm, vampire among Menel-voters? Or are my English skills (or wits) misleading me?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This caught my eye. Are you speaking metaphorically or saying that there really was only one wolf, erm, vampire among Menel-voters? Or are my English skills (or wits) misleading me?

What I ment was that if one was to make such a bold bluff as pretending to be the lynch seer, then it would be more advisable to say that only one vote was missing. That way there would be more innocent killed before the treachery was discovered.

I hope that is good enough for you.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I would like to hear, why Rune thought Rikae should dream either of Nogrod or of Roa. Why not Spm, who was suspected more than Roa?

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.

just a small comment: There is of course also the possibilty that a person mixed up with the voting and therefor did not get his/hers vote counted.

Edit: just adjusting the last bit of my post

[Durelin]

Well, I think who dies toDay will be very telling of who the vampires are, even if we don't get one toDay...

[Macalaure]

Ah well, let's just say:

++Saucepan Man

[Rikae]

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

good luck...

EDIT: Write me a good death, Volo!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.

You're right. I didn't think about the matter enough before posting it. At that moment I was more inclined to vote for Spm than for Legate, and as I knew that Roa was innocent, and had no reason not to believe Nogrod was the Hunter, it really seemed to me that it was deliberate that you didn't suggest Rikae to dream of Spm (those three were the names she had herself stated, eventhough only to see what kind of suggestions she would get). Two Menel-voters had lied, and I began to see a connection between you and Spm, as you both had voted for him. Apparently I was completely wrong, because yesterDay I was pretty sure you two were Vampires, and now that Legate is dead it seems very unlikely that either of you are.

[Durelin]

Well, this is really sucking it up for the Vampires...I feel bad. Seriously.

This just shows how terrible I am with anything...logistical? Anyway...

...what about Gil as the last Vampire?

[Nogrod]

Back again from the May 1st... And how interesting this is getting! And as Spm said, I feel the tide turning after many arduous Days and Nights. Let's figure this out!

My first thoughts: let's lynch Eomer who even himself kind of admitted (that's the new wolf stategy - being absent and then saying "I don't mind but love to see you take the toil of it"). Anyhow that would probably kill a wolf and thence relieve Kitanna as she clearly might then be our helper in our success. Okay, the vampires might kill her then but there are lots of other targets for them as well (myself, Rikae, Boro, Mac). So everything's open for the future after that.

And good work ranger and shade! One thing that caught my eye was that the narration led us understand that it was the same person that the shade and the ranger protected. So it might not have been Rikae as Rikae was defended last Night already? This would say the vamps were not after Rikae last Night.

So Kitanna, you might consider telling us who did you cover last Night as you have now revealed yourself anyhow! I know why you wouldn't, but just think of the spirit of the winning on the side of the goodies! And possibly we win this with your help toMorrow without you needing to go down (they might wish to kill Rikae, myself, Mac, Boro instead).

The information would be nice as I think the Ranger should lay low as s/he has so far at this moment a reason not to reveal whom s/he protected.

Yay ranger! You're driving those baddies mad! Kudos!

Edit: X'd with a few... + added a few "s" to where they belonged... + made sense of a sentence that had none before... (the last one before the Kudos! -one)