Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Just a few posts before that the only two people I said anything about suspicion-wise (or really at all) were Boro and Mac.

I am sorry if no one can perceive my uber skillz in the art of wit.

Sorry. My reading comprehension skills are pretty bad for a librarian. Heh.

But what if Rune is a vampire posing as a shade and now our real shade who is leaning on our side wishes to expose him by making the shade look our enemy? Remember it was pretty safe trial to kill Rikae as she had been suspected a lot earlier so she very probably was not protected earlier.

It would make sense as - on contrary to Dury's idea - it seems pretty straightforward that the shade has best possibilities to win by aiding the villagers. It's only in the end when switching loyalties might help the shade.

Er, so you're saying perhaps the Shade was trying to do GOOD by attempting to kill our Seer? That seems... awfully fancy. Right now I think it makes a lot more sense to just assume that the Shade isn't on the side of the innocents.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It would make sense as - on contrary to Dury's idea - it seems pretty straightforward that the shade has best possibilities to win by aiding the villagers. It's only in the end when switching loyalties might help the shade.

What's to say the Shade wants to play it safe?

Alright, since it seems to be a fad now, this revealing roles bit, I have an announcement to make...

I'm afraid I am your...

Cannon-fodder, at your service.

I could go for Boro's lynching the quiet ones. I'd prefer starting with xyzzy, Shasta, or Eomer.

Oh, and I kid, Di, I kid...I really don't make sense.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It would be just plain suicidal for a vampire to impersonate the hunter. There would be another claim and then the impersonator would face certain death.

Unless the Vampire Seer has dreamed of the real Hunter, who has been revealed to be eg. Glirdan or someone other silent. Then, were Nogrod a Vampire (hunter?), this wouldn't be very risky. And if someone claimed to be the real Hunter and Nogrod was lynched, he could kill Rikae, too. Unlikely, but not totally impossible.

Originally Posted by Di

Er, so you're saying perhaps the Shade was trying to do GOOD by attempting to kill our Seer?

The Shade apparently wanted to tell the Vampires that s/he wouldn't be protecting Rikae next Night. Now the Vampires will probably attack Rikae, and if the Shade protects her anyway, there will be no kill. At least we know that the Shade can't kill anyone next Night, so maybe the known innocents may sleep peacefully.

I don't think either of these options are very probable, and at the moment I'm ready to trust Noggie. I still wanted to bring them up, and am sorry that I'm mixing things up this much.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

woohoo things are happening!

Nogrod you are absolutely delightfull, mindbogingly twisted. . .(I do not know how to spell that)

To think that the shade first of all is on our side and only tries to kill Rikae to make me look bad and furthermore thinks that people naturaly will kill me if the shade suddenly seems evil, is probably the most far out theory I have heard in a long time. I simply love it!

Honestly Nogrod had you said that before your Hunter revelation, then I would have called for you emidiate execution. But I will let it be, because there is the slight chance that now when you feel more secure that you are not getting lynched, actually have the guts to speak openly about your more "special" theories.

I mean we all have had crazy ideas that we have not put forth in fear of being lynched. . .or is that just me? I have often thought that it would be interesting to vote for the person you least suspect since we are so often wrong anyway.

Let me just say that I belive the shade tried to kill Rikae because there was a chance of her reavealing who the shade was. . . We should never count on the shade, the shade in on no-ones side, but its own.

[Nogrod]

Just a minute!

The ranger may protect Rikae every other Night:

Originally Posted by Volo

The person the Ranger protects won’t die if a Vampire or the Shade tries to kill him/her. Can't protect the same person twice in a row

The shade that sides with us villagers can protect Rikae every other Night as well.:

Originally Posted by Volo

To survive the Shade has the skills of the Ranger, Seer and Vampire, this means that the Shade can either protect (The Shade is an exeption in the Ranger category as it can't protect itself!), dream or kill during the night, but can’t do the same thing twice in a row.

And as our Ranger protected Rikae last Night the shade can do it the next and then it's our ranger's turn to protect her and...



Surely this gives the game a new twist! It will be the vamps trying to spot our ranger and the shade against Rikae trying to spot the vamps. Whichever gets there first gives her/his side the keys to victory.

I think you Rikae might live for a few Days still.

[Boromir88]

That is, if the Shade thinks it's in his/her best interest.

[Diamond18]

I really don't like this idea of trusting/hoping for the Shade to be on our side.

[Diamond18]

As long as I'm talking about things I don't like -- I am rather concerned about the whole Modfire business. We've already lost Sleepy and if we lose Glirdan (and possibly Legate, see admin thread) that's more and more people dying in addition to the regular way. If Glirdan and Legate are innocent, the "Village" is looking to lose out and that rather sucks. I think we need to start seriously thinking about what, if anything, we are going to do about this.

Do we vote to lynch those in danger of suicide? I mean, I may not find them particularly suspicious, but if it's a case of them dying anyway, making them the lynch victim minimizes the sheer number of losses. On the other hand, if we actually lynch Vampires instead, that's much better. But are we confident enough in our suspicions as to who the vamps are? That's the question.

[Diamond18]

As I saw it people understood what you where saying perfectly, but they see no point in putting their trust in the shade when the shade could change sides anytime s/he sees it fit.

Quite right. So what I'm saying is, can we just forget about this whole "tell the Shade what to do" business and concentrate instead on figuring out who to lynch? Right now I really don't know who to vote for. I was going to vote Nogrod until the Hunter reveal. Now I'm torn between voting for Glirdan (whom I don't really suspect, but may die anyway) and... well I don't know.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

As long as I'm talking about things I don't like -- I am rather concerned about the whole Modfire business. We've already lost Sleepy and if we lose Glirdan (and possibly Legate, see admin thread) that's more and more people dying in addition to the regular way. If Glirdan and Legate are innocent, the "Village" is looking to lose out and that rather sucks. I think we need to start seriously thinking about what, if anything, we are going to do about this.

Do we vote to lynch those in danger of suicide? I mean, I may not find them particularly suspicious, but if it's a case of them dying anyway, making them the lynch victim minimizes the sheer number of losses. On the other hand, if we actually lynch Vampires instead, that's much better. But are we confident enough in our suspicions as to who the vamps are? That's the question.

This is a tought one. . .I do like the whole idea about "damage controll" but it would also be quite a gamble as we would not really be looking for people to lynch and make the whole buisness a lot easier for the vampires.

I could also belive that a lot of people would have a problem with voting for people they do not really suspect.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

As long as I'm talking about things I don't like -- I am rather concerned about the whole Modfire business. We've already lost Sleepy and if we lose Glirdan (and possibly Legate, see admin thread) that's more and more people dying in addition to the regular way.

If we don't have a good shared candidate toDay, lynching Glirdan might be a good choice indeed. Not the least as there was this funny thing about the next Night being a possibility for Glirdy to show up I wondered earlier.

EDIT: #379 is the place

[Nogrod]

Mr./Ms. Shade!

Please read this.

As there seem to be some people who don't see the evident fact let me spell it out just in case you're one of them who don't see it. And my apologies from giving you advices in case you don't need them.

At the moment your chances of winning at the side of the villagers are something like 3:1. A pretty good one.

We need to kill three vamps and we can afford losing about 10 of us pretty easily doing that without the situation turning so much as to make you rethink where your loyalties should be. And with this double protection scheme we will have one Dream every Night. With all the probabilities we should also start getting the vamps lynched as well and I will take one out if they come to me. So good chances if you stick to our side and it will not probably take that long (ten dead) in any case.

Think of how many Nights you will have to avoid both us and the vamps if you do not join us and try to play in the hands of the vamps!


Btw. I first thought this 100% security on Rikae as long as both the shade and ranger do live was a mixed situation as I thought that it would take out some of the suspense from the game. But now I'm pretty confident this will be quite interesting indeed!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I do not think you are being fair Nogrod.

As I saw it people understood what you where saying perfectly, but they see no point in putting their trust in the shade when the shade could change sides anytime s/he sees it fit.

That is not saying that we do not get the point about both the shade and the ranger protecting our seer, it goes without saying that we all like the thought of that.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

As I saw it people understood what you where saying perfectly, but they see no point in putting their trust in the shade when the shade could change sides anytime s/he sees it fit.

What do you mean by "putting our trust in the shade"? How does it hurt you to hope that the shade acts reasonably as it doesn't require any action from you? I can't see you point (or Di's).

I don't know who the shade is. If Spm is the shade, or Lommy, or someone like them they will immediately see the situation and know how to act and my worries have been in vain. But if the shade doesn't see the situation correctly s/he might act against her/his own good - and thence also against us. The last one surely is something we wish to avoid, now isn't it? So all those who try to spread a feeling that it might be advisable for the shade to side with the vamps are purely hurting us and our case. They could be seen as advising the shade to act differently... and we know who are the ones that would hope the shade to side with them...

I hope the shade has reason enough to see through this. We'll see it toMorrow morning anyhow.

The shade surely has a chance to win with the vamps if it's alive when there are only a few players left (depending on how many vamps there are then). It's a long way to duck nightly kills and lynchings... so her/his best bet now is on us. Let's hope it never gets to the situation where the shade would have an actual place of rethinking it's position.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, Nogrod you seem to have put your trust into the shade being on our side even yesterday, at least that was your argumentation for "Rune = False Shade" and again now it dominates your theories. All that we are saying is that we cannot be sure what the shade does! It might very well, be that defending Rikae is the best option for the shade, but is it not right that some people like to go for the dificult solutions sometimes?

So all those who try to spread a feeling that it might be advisable for the shade to side with the vamps are purely hurting us and our case. They could be seen as advising the shade to act differently... and we know who are the ones that would hope the shade to side with them... [img]ubb/eek.gif[/img]

Maybe I am mis-understanding something, but I do not like the way this looks. If this is a comment about what me and Di have statet, then I do not think it is fair argumentation. Then you are saying that people who inform that it is not sertain that the shade does as you want it to is most likely vampires. Then one might as well say "You are either with me or agains us"
That sort of argumentation where you try to potray the others as "traitors" is nothing, but a cheap trick.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Er, so you're saying perhaps the Shade was trying to do GOOD by attempting to kill our Seer? That seems... awfully fancy.

Fancy maybe, but logical. I could name a few who could do it.

So you see your best interest as a shade (to be on the villagers side).

You see someone impersonating your role and thence will know that that one is no good for us.

You realise that the Seer is going to be protected so you could attack her safely to make people wishing to lynch the one they think is the shade.

Nice, isn't it?

At least I would love to try and make a trap to someone who impersonated my role...

But I would suggest that we do not vote for Rune toDay. If the shade is playing wisely s/he will protect Rikae toNight and we will have one more dream - and the more reasons to lynch Rune toMorrow. Understanably if the shade doesn't protect Rikae s/he's acting against her/his own good and also the case against Rune must be reconsidered.



I'm pretty frustrated with the silent ones as well. There are so many people I would wish to hear something from.

Please speak up!

EDIT: X'd with Di and Aganzir

[Durelin]

Okay, now that really did look bad.

Cannon fodder is supposed to = ordo.

Aganzir - Very good point about the possibility of the Vampire Seer dreaming of the Hunter....

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Volo in the admin thread

Three days absence -> death.
Glirdan has this Day (and Night) time to come alive.

I think posting this here is quite legal as it concerns the rules of this game.

I just find that little add-on quite interesting. So why has he also the Night to appear as no one innocent-ordo can't do anything at Night and so his time to call in ends as this Day ends?

And clearly Glirdan is none of our gifteds or the shade as they have played. So that leaves only the possibility that he's a vamp...?

Of course I may read too much into Volo's adding the Night there but why then it is there?

[Aganzir]

I thought "Night" might be there because we won't know who are killed until morning, and if Glirdan lets Volo or Kath know that he's around and wants to play, he won't be killed in the morning. Interesting observation, though.