Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Rikae]

is it a trick? perhaps it is...

Rikae turned to Gil with a sweet smile.
"I always think that everything could be a trick. Which is why I'm still alive.

Right now Gil and Esspien look the worst to me... but I'm too tired to think clearly. I think I'll go lie down for a while."

She circled the fire, and paused before a doorway which led to a bedroom.

"I'll see you in a couple of hours...at least."

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune had entered the room with out anybody noticing him, he had now been standing in the shades for a while listening and it filled him with a disire to leave again and so he did. . . . .



But being a bit confused by all the ridles and roles he ended up in the very shade he had just left. "Might as well stay, it might be fun" Rune thought to him self, but he had feeling that the others could read his thoughts. . .


EDIT: I cross posted with Noggy. . .who is saying something I was thinking about sugesting, so of course I think he speaks wisely.

[Brinniel]

Black, black, black.
Everything is black.
The air is foul,
And the walls close in
As Death slowly....

Urgh...I cannot think in these conditions! Too noisy, it's too noisy!

Oh bother...I could really use a smoke right about now...

I'm not so sure what to do about this situation. I'm not even sure how I got here... It seems everyone is so quick to accuse one another. Surely, that is the quickest way to get yourself killed.

Since the subject has been brought up, I have no problem sharing with everyone who I intend to vote for each Day. After all, I don't have anything to hide. Not that it'll really matter in the end, anyway. We're all going to die here, both Vampires and innocents, I'm sure of it.

Well, I'm off to go find a dark corner where I can brood. If anyone finds paper and a pen, let me know. Perhaps my thoughts will become clearer once I can write them down..

[Shastanis Althreduin]

OOC: Just to satisfy my inner roleplayer... is the fire inside or outside? I could have sworn it was in the middle of the abandoned city...

[Meneltarmacil]

*checks under carpet, finds trapdoor*

Hmm, what have we here? A secret compartment with a large chest inside...

*opens chest, pulls out a broadsword with scabbard and belt that was inside*

Ah, that's more like it! A little dull, but I can work on sharpening it. *fastens swordbelt*

Well, now, a little aggressive, was I? I mean no disrespect, but these vampires are not going to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, even if we do. Anything that looks suspicious should be considered as evidence, even if something can help explain it away. Not that we should condemn everyone for simple mistakes, but we should certainly not ignore strange happenings, no matter how "accidental" or "in-character" they may seem.

*sharpens sword with rock*

I too wonder about that Boromir88. Seems quite strange in his post; quite concerned about dying, which is understandable, but only toDay. I'll definitely be watching him.

As for Espiem, I agree with him that accusing people based on in-character bantering is suspicious. Rikae certainly does seem to be giving off warning signs in that respect.

[Rikae]

Rikae sticks her head out the window, hair in disarray, and says with great exasperation:

"When did I ever accuse someone based on in-character banter? If you want to see someone doing that, look at Esspiem and Gil-Galad! It's exactly the reason I don't trust them."

She ducked back inside and slammed the shutters with a deafening crash.

OOC:
The fire is outside the buildings of the city; but the city itself is inside a cave, or so I gather.

[The Sixth Wizard]

(As I forgot to make my character's name related to my BD's name, plz just call my character by his nickname Sixth instead.)

Anyways...

Originally Posted by Rikae

"When did I ever accuse someone based on in-character banter? If you want to see someone doing that, look at Esspiem and Gil-Galad! It's exactly the reason I don't trust them."

Already jumping to 'I don't trust...'? I think this is a bit early to be pointing and accusing.

So here we are stuck like rats in a village. And even better, now one of us has a SWORD. . I don't have much experience on a game like this so I can't really make a plausible suggestion right now, but maybe back up others. . .

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay then. We should make our votes known openly. With this I agree. It looks like most of us do. I would also suggest that we mark the votes in a traditional manner of voting in the villages (with the double+ and bolding in a separate line - for easier reference as we are at least yet 23 of us).

Somehow I think this may be a bad idea. And it kinda defeats the purpose of votes not being shown. Vampires can still lie about a vote they might have made instead of actually make one.

Bye...

[Boromir88]

Well Menel and Sauce...like I said it today is a special day for me (tis my birthday). So I would particularly find it a shame if the vampires kill me tonight. But it really doesn't matter if they want to kill me any other night, that's their choice.

Now that is said this will likely be my last visit until the morning as I must be off at least day dreaming about what amazing celebration I should be receiving right now. Seeing as I'm stuck in this cave though, I guess I only have my imagination.

For some quick comments...I think Sauce's idea (regarding the votes) is a good one, no complaint from me, but still there will be at least 3 amongst us who will be lying.

Sauce, Gil, and Aganzir, don't really worry me right now. I like Gil's nice eye regarding Sleepy. So far Sauce and Aganzir look genuine to me.

Like I mentioned, Legate seems too nice and a little to quick to buddy up with our Sir Espiem.

I'm wondering about Brinniel too...I mean she comes in here kind of acts confused and lost like 'what the heck is going on.' This establishes her presense in this little 'game,' and it looks like she's playing up the 'confused' role. From my records, I have not had the pleasure of seeing Brinniel's ancestors yet in one of these situations, but her family has a few of these werewolf/vampire villages under her belt...this confused thing seems a bit fake if you ask me.

Also, a comment by Shastani is rather awkward:

"Calm, you two... this early on, I doubt there's much of anything in the way of evidence to go on. There's no real point in accusing each other when there's no proof of guilt or innocence whatsoever."

I think accusations reveal the character of a person, and I find accusations to be about as helpful as anything (besides blind luck) on Day 1. I find accusations to be a good thing, so I think it's awkward Shastani, you are telling us to not do it.

Some of my observations, make of them what you all will. Now I must be off and dreaming that I'm having a wonderful sweet bourbon salmon at an amazing 5-star restaurant with my mother and father. So, bye bye.

Edit: x-ed with The Sixth

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

After a long time of coming and going with new wood Legate finally left for the last time, appearing a few minutes later dragging a large wooden table across the stony cave floor. The sound of dragging echoed the whole cave. At one moment, the table jerked and with all its weight one blockfoot fell on Legate's toe. The man screamed and with all effort threw the table away from himself so it fell on one side.

Legate let it be and came near the fireplace where he sat down, took off one of his wooden sandals and started examining his foot.

"There's quite enough of wood, but it's better to be prepared. Who knows if the Oracle does not suddenly choose to leave us here without wood supply. I'd be also careful about food and if possible, leave something until the next meal. Assuming it does not become wormy."

Legate took his sandals back on and looked around. "I heard bits of what you spoke about here, I was also thinking a little bit. But it's still plenty time till Oracle's deadline and many of us haven't showed yet. Oh, first, Boro, Espiem is a good guy, at least in picking the locks, but don't think I wasn't checking him over my shoulder. He's in the storeroom now. But what I heard in your discussions here... now...

Originally Posted by Six

Somehow I think this may be a bad idea. And it kinda defeats the purpose of votes not being shown. Vampires can still lie about a vote they might have made instead of actually make one.

Six? I don't see why you think it isn't a good idea. Unless you want to bluff, which as I said I think an innocent villager has no need to, you shouldn't worry about it. After all, as best "voting list" as we can get is, I think, only for the good of the village. I don't see any disadvantage there.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Also, a comment by Shastani is rather awkward:

I think accusations reveal the character of a person, and I find accusations to be about as helpful as anything (besides blind luck) on Day 1. I find accusations to be a good thing, so I think it's awkward Shastani, you are telling us to not do it.

Well I think we'd agree that without accusations we'd get nowhere. However, the ones who care the most on getting someone under any suspicion are the Vampires. So I find Shastani's comment rather in place, or at least I see it "unharmful". It's good in my opinion not to give too much into feelings or first sights and so on on the first day, because we don't know anything yet, basically. Of course accusing is needed, but not just headless.

For now, if I was to say that I am watching any of you folks more than the others, it would be probably ** Six for the comment above. It's quite a lot of us around here, I have to say, and many of us aren't saying much* so it's hard to conclude something... Otherwise I'll keep my eye on the places where it already "boiled" like Gil, Rikae, Espiem...

But now I am sorry, but I am quite dead from all the wood-carrying. I need to take a rest." With these words, Legate set out a bedroll he brought from one of the houses and laid near the bonfire. "Remember," he said yet, "keep feeding the fire. I wouldn't sleep longer than eight hours... but probably right after I wake up, I'm going to look around for some more useful things... so don't count on me until much... longer..."
With these words Legate fell into a deep and dreamless sleep.

*Apart from roleplay, which I like very much and of course do that as well, and of course it's just the first Day... but it'd be good to also try to keep at least some gaming info even in the roleplay posts...

**(EDIT: I originally wrote Sleepy there but I realized what he wrote on the Admin Thread.)

(cross-posted with Nogrod)

[Durelin]

So here is where the fools have gathered? How lovely that there are so many of you in one place. You can be as stupid as you'd like, but I have a problem with people always adding their own crap to my pile.

In other words - stay away from me, and I won't mistake you for a Vampire.

Oh, yeah...you Vampires? Yeah, you. You listen. I bet you think you have it easy. And maybe you're right - you may not get any say in who we take out, but you know as well as I do that we innocents excel at slitting our own throats... *glances at Brinniel* or wrists.... But you know what? You're no different from them, even with your silly powers.

So go slaughter some goats and leave me the hell alone.

[xyzzy]

Xyzzy walks toward the river. Pulling a sharp stone from the middle, he drys it on his shirt and walks over to the wood pile, whistling a merry tune. Grabbing a long piece of wood, he begins to sharpen an end of it. Over the time of about an hour, he begins to sharpen it. When he is satisfied with the end of the staff, he begins smoothing the rest of the stick. He walks over to the fire, shouting, "Got us a knife!" Seeing the strange looks he receives, he says, "Err, maybe it's a sword... or something, but... anyway, give me about a year and I could probably make a [OOC: insert something ancients would have that can do fingerprinting.] out of grass!"
[OOC]I roleplay soooo clichely...[/OOC]

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by The Sixth Something

Somehow I think this may be a bad idea. And it kinda defeats the purpose of votes not being shown. Vampires can still lie about a vote they might have made instead of actually make one.

*Appears from the shades* ahh yes it defeats the idea, but it is up to us to decide which idea we like the most and want to make a "rule".

hmmm I forget can women and vampires vote here? if not and we are told the number of votes for each individual it would actually be possible to make a system that would be helpful of catching vampires. . .

*goes back into the shades*

EDIT: I forgot to disapear again. . .

[Celuien]

Kitanna: As I read the rules, I thought that each of the three vampires had one of those gifts - one vampire with the powers of a Seer, one with the powers of a Ranger and the last with the Hunter's skills.

The Shade is also interesting. There's absolutely no way to know which side that particular one will be siding with.

So that's three non-voters who are going to be lying and one enigma.

[Celuien]

I must say, being fashionably late is rather fun.

Before I made it here, I had been wandering about and just thinking things over. It seemed to me that the secret voting can complicate things for the village. Because there's no way to confirm the outcome of the vote until the following day even if, as has been suggested, we post our votes here on the village notice board. The vampires are, of course, lying since they can't vote. And there might be a couple of legitmate strategic reasons for a villager to post an undecided "vote" early. For example, it seems to me that since the vampires can't vote, they would have to be more vocal in trying to deflect village opinion, so that an early decoy vote might be thrown out to test the waters...much as retractable votes have been used strategically.

In any case, I'll be posting my votes here. It's still the only way the village has to coordinate strategy (at least down the road when there's more to go on), and I agree that some sort of voting record would be useful for analysis later, even if the votes that counted can't necessarily be confirmed.

And if anyone sees a frog hopping about, please let me know. I seem to have lost my poor Ribbits on my way here.

[Kitanna]

I have been reading, but haven't really had a chance to read into what is being said, if you know what I mean. Thus far I have seen little to rise my alarm about anyone, but I do have some concerns about the voting.

Obviously it has been quite the topic already, but I'm a bit worried about this being a double-edged sword. Though the vampires have no vote and will clearly be lying about who they voted for (should SpM's plan be followed), I wonder if others will not lie as well. It seems unlikely, but unless I've read the rules wrong the vampires have a seer, a ranger, and a hunter on their side, correct? All of those folk receive votes, as does the shade. That's four votes that the voter could lie about to the village. Revealing our votes is a good idea, but I'm a bit hesitant given the amount of people who have the potential to lie about it and screw with the village.

I have to run, but I'll be back, hopefully with more solid ideas/facts.

[Rikae]

In answer to Lommy:
Kitanna said (bolding mine)

Originally Posted by Kitanna

unless I've read the rules wrong the vampires have a seer, a ranger, and a hunter on their side, correct? All of those folk receive votes, as does the shade. That's four votes that the voter could lie about to the village. .

So clearly, sha's saying that these gifteds, while on the side of the vampires, have votes (which means they are not vampires themselves).
I still don't know whether to chalk it up to misunderstanding, though.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

"Well, I don't have much time now," said Legate after returning from a long walk he took after he awoke. "I got to leave in about quarter an hour, and probably won't come back. Only to what's debated here now..."

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Obviously it has been quite the topic already, but I'm a bit worried about this being a double-edged sword. Though the vampires have no vote and will clearly be lying about who they voted for (should SpM's plan be followed), I wonder if others will not lie as well. It seems unlikely, but unless I've read the rules wrong the vampires have a seer, a ranger, and a hunter on their side, correct? All of those folk receive votes, as does the shade. That's four votes that the voter could lie about to the village. Revealing our votes is a good idea, but I'm a bit hesitant given the amount of people who have the potential to lie about it and screw with the village.

Well, actually when I saw that comment, I didn't know what it is supposed to mean. Please help me, if you could, to decipher it:
Kitanna, based on how she read the rules, thinks:
-That the vampires have S&R&H
-I actually thought RECEIVE votes meant they can, you know, be voted for. But if I understood you correctly, "receive" here stands here for "are given their own paper to throw into the ballot box"
-So four people can vote and lie at the same time.

I don't understand why to vote for her based on this. I wouldn't say this, even if it is as you say, raises any alarm. It might or might not be a mistake, but if it was intentional, why would she want to say that? I don't get it.

Ten minutes... then I'm leaving, sorry..."

EDIT: x-ed since Nogrod

[The Sixth Wizard]

Six? I don't see why you think it isn't a good idea. Unless you want to bluff, which as I said I think an innocent villager has no need to, you shouldn't worry about it. After all, as best "voting list" as we can get is, I think, only for the good of the village. I don't see any disadvantage there.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think accusations reveal the character of a person, and I find accusations to be about as helpful as anything (besides blind luck) on Day 1. I find accusations to be a good thing, so I think it's awkward Shastani, you are telling us to not do it.

I don't have much experience in these games, but is this what players often do on Day 1? It happened in the Unknown Enemies. . . I suppose it is a good way to get the game going, and mystery among the villagers might help the Vampires.

Originally Posted by Durelin

So here is where the fools have gathered? How lovely that there are so many of you in one place. You can be as stupid as you'd like, but I have a problem with people always adding their own crap to my pile.

In other words - stay away from me, and I won't mistake you for a Vampire.

Oh, yeah...you Vampires? Yeah, you. You listen. I bet you think you have it easy. And maybe you're right - you may not get any say in who we take out, but you know as well as I do that we innocents excel at slitting our own throats... *glances at Brinniel* or wrists.... But you know what? You're no different from them, even with your silly powers.

So go slaughter some goats and leave me the hell alone.

Was this hostility part of your character, or did you actually MEAN it?

[Nogrod]

Nogrod had clearly dozed off but was awakened by the sound of Menel sharpening his newly found sword. Rikae's shouting from the window did the rest. Nogrod looked around him and tried to remember the thoughts that had occured to him while he had been taking his nap. Then he remembered.

Listen now. There is something strange in this triangle of Rikae, Gil and Spm. Here's a a small summary of it.

Now first Rikae threw a suspicion over Spm for starting with a self-defence. I think the point justified as esspiem's beginning toDay felt pretty awkward to my ears too. In fact Rikae didn't mention Spm reminding us of his sharp wits which could be of help to us... which I also found sounding a little too preventive even if I agree that his wits would serve us well if he's an innocent.

After that Gil came forwards and questioned Rikae for accusing two people right off the bat (other one being the in-character banter to Mac) and said his hunches were moving towardss seeing Rikae very suspicious.

Then Spm came back and defended himself pretty staunchly in regards to the unseverity of the suspicions that Rikae had brought forwards. He also countered Rikae's suspicion by not stating it openly, but by pointing that he himself suspects those who go with in-character banter based accusations.

Rikae defended herself pretty strongly (in feeling, not in length) by the "suspect me then but I like this new way of a game" -thing. A bit later she came back and said that Gil and esspiem looked the most suspicious to her. Adding though that she was too tired to think clearly.

And she reappeared again, shouting from the window denying to have accused anyone based on in-character bantering. Says she thinks it's Spm and Gil who are doing it and that's the reason she distrusts them.

---
So what is this? Quick defences for almost nonexistent suspicions, much ado about nothing or something more?


Rikae: Her defence feels genuine, but a little too tense regarding how little there has been against her... she also came quite close to lying - basically she did it. That's always pretty suspicious. She says:

When did I ever accuse someone based on in-character banter?

And these are her words too, from earlier on the Day:

She turned and addressed the whole room: "I don't trust this Mac person. He speaks of a knife...then says he doesn't have one! I say we search him.

It might all be counted as in character stuff as well, but it's a doubt casted anyway.

Her suspicion on Gil seems even stranger. Gil suspects her to be sure but retaliation isn't the way a smart villager would react - and Rikae surely is smart. She says:

If you want to see someone doing that (accusing someone based on in character banter), look at Esspiem and Gil-Galad! It's exactly the reason I don't trust them.

I must say I haven't seen Gil doing that. So why a lie again?

Spm: He speaks wisely as always. What else would you think he would do whatever role he had? But he's also a bit too quick to defend himself - quick enough to do it even before anyone had said anything on him...

Gil: Look at the man! He's a newborn and I like the way he plays right now. He might be a Vampire testing the waters to be sure. Rikae could be a nice lynch for the Vampires if she were innocent.

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To end up. I'm reluctant to vote for Gil without a good cause as he seems to be getting the hang of the active play. I'm also reluctant to vote for Spm as he after all is an asset to us if he's innocent and we'll have time to see what he is later on (if the vampires don't kill him before that) as he stated quite openly not being able to take part toDay much more but the last hour. I wouldn't like to lose Rikae either, but would be very interested in hearing some explanations on why she downright lied to us...

EDIT: X'd with a few...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

but would be very interested in hearing some explanations on why she downright lied to us...

How have I lied? Do you mean my in-character comments about Mac? I was...flirting...with...him. Capisci?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

How have I lied? Do you mean my in-character comments about Mac? I was...flirting...with...him. Capisci?

Not so much that (as I said already) but with Gil. You accuse him of in-character accusations (alongside with Spm) and I don't think he has made any. On the contrary he has been pretty reasonable in his posting so far...

[Rikae]

I must say I haven't seen Gil doing that. So why a lie again?

Gil jumped on my comments about Mac; which were (I thought) blatently in-character/meta.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Gil jumped on my comments about Mac; which were (I thought) blatently in-character/meta.

i'm afraid it wasn't m'dear


but i must agree with Nogrod, it would hurt to lose Rikae if she was innocent mainly because she is a smart innocent and can defiantely contribute to us, but if she was the vampire or shade, then i guess we must be careful and determine exactly where she stands...