Werewolf XXXI: The Unknown Enemies

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

PS. Rikae: It's not the question of timetables as such, it's a question of the willingness or daring to take part in the discussion. You have laid very low in this game and I can see the reason behind it as if you're the ranger you need to lay low from the gaze of the wolves. But I can see your changed activity as a wolf lying under the radar too and then coming forwards when there is difference to be made in a village where at least two of the remaining innocents just aren't actually playing the game in the first place.

Sorry to be this suspicious, but you know this is werewolf...

The real reason is far more mundane and pointless, as I'll elaborate on the admin thread.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

The real reason is far more mundane and pointless, as I'll elaborate on the admin thread.

Sorry to have missed that. I just need some sleep now (4AM here now).

Let's hope we can bring this through toDay as a win for the villagers... I'm somewhat confident about it, but there's a nagging in the back of my neck and I try tro get rid of it tomorrow (RL). Hopefully you others are less trigger-happy as our self-proclaimed gifteds were. Let's see these things through before we vote...

Rikae made a good question earlier. If Mac is not the Seer then who is?

We have a few possibilities.

a) Mac is the Seer and has given us the information he has in earnest, as he should.

b) Mac is the Seer and gives us good knowledge, but is in cahoots with his lover Rikae (or Mith? or someone else?) and thence wins as we ignore his "mistress" by the way he wishes us to vote for Xyzzy.

c) The Sixth is the Seer and Mac took a risk that paid off as the Sixth doesn't seem to bother too much of this game.

d) There is no Seer to begin with - and thence Mac's claim to it is a false one (a risk taken and seemingly paying off).

Personally I think the cases a) or b) are probable... But which one of them?

EDIT:
PS. I ignored the chances of Mith or Xyzzy being the Seer as they have been online after Mac's revelation and should have made their counter-claims already.

[Nogrod]

Rikae: If you really drew the wolf to try and kill me with your post at the end of the last Day where you said I'm the one to be most probably killed that Night - and thence released the pressure from Mac - it was a gamble I really appreciate and will bow very low to give you credit for it. That would have been just excellent! That would have paid off just beautifully! Great rangering!

But

if you're having nasty ideas behind this and just wait for the moment you can start rejoicing your wicked victory with Mac, then again, all points to you. You've earned them! But in that case I'm trying to give it a fight still, however non-existent the backing of Xyzzy and The Sixth might be - I hope Mith at least takes a look and a stance as well in that case...

I'll sleep now on top of this and try to have a more balanced view of this tomorrow (RL).

[Rikae]

While I confess I've always found Mac's wit and intelligence rather attractive, I think I'm a bit too old for him.

[Macalaure]

'Yea, we will drink xyzzy's blood gladly, that so we may forget the blood of Gil-Galad our master, and the blood of Legate slain unjustly. Let us slay him swiftly!'




To those who doubt me: check the circumstances under which I revealed. At the time, I thought myself to be in danger of being killed at night. I wasn't in danger of being lynched at all, so why should I have taken that risk? I even would have sacrificed a fairly unsuspected Lommy in the course of it. If I was a wolf who had to fear the existance of a seer, it would've been a truly horrible gamble.
I also would have chosen an earlier point of time on the Day, so that I could make sure Lommy would really be lynched.

Of course, I haven't dreamt of Rikae, so there is a slight chance that she is another wolf and probably Six the ranger. I doubt that, especially since what Rikae has told us of her interaction with Roa sounds very coherent. *listens quietly whether he hears Roa slamming her head against her keyboard from afar*

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We have a few possibilities.

a) Mac is the Seer and has given us the information he has in earnest, as he should.

b) Mac is the Seer and gives us good knowledge, but is in cahoots with his lover Rikae (or Mith? or someone else?) and thence wins as we ignore his "mistress" by the way he wishes us to vote for Xyzzy.

c) The Sixth is the Seer and Mac took a risk that paid off as the Sixth doesn't seem to bother too much of this game.

d) There is no Seer to begin with - and thence Mac's claim to it is a false one (a risk taken and seemingly paying off).

For c) and d), see above. It would have been too risky for a wolf, at least if it includes sacrificing his companion, leaving no backdoor for victory if the gamble fails. The timing would have been bad, too.
Concerning b),... are you suggesting a seer lover? Well, it's an interesting idea to have a seer whose concern isn't the good of the village, but, as far as I know, this would be a new kind of role, and Menel said he wouldn't invent new things.

This leaves a).

While I confess I've always found Mac's wit and intelligence rather attractive, I think I'm a bit too old for him.

Thanks a lot! I'm really flattered and can only say the same of you in turn (the part before the comma, of course).

However, it's seems that, despite all attractiveness, you have never bothered to ever look up my member profile.
*points to birthdates*

[Mithalwen]

Blimey....

I will look more carefully but I have to bear in mind that Nogrod has a brain that functions at a higher level than mine and that in previous games from the privelieged position of mod or dead gifted I have seen him bark up some wonderfully crafted intellectualy but completely wrong trees.

I will examine all because I would hate to be "done up like a kipper" but in many ways Xyzzy being the last wolf is the most likely speculation.

I still think he was the most likely to have missed a kill with lommy tied up and I am sure that a more active wolf would have taken the very present opportunity to get me lynched (though I have to say that apart from when I was hit by a fit of sarcasm my posts seem quite reasonable to me...). Also I would indeed have been a very "safe" kill last night (and fully expected to be dead) . I know I am an accountant and notice this more than most but it is something to bear in mind - was exposure more a risk than numbers.

However at this stage there is only one thing to do and that is reread everything with the hypotheses in mind - it is how I found out a wolvish Anguirel in the end..

It will take time but since I am here I will organise my day to allow for it! However I doubt I will have firm conclusions til later ....late afternoon say....

[The Sixth Wizard]

Yes people I have come around!

'Yea, we will drink xyzzy's blood gladly, that so we may forget the blood of Gil-Galad our master, and the blood of Legate slain unjustly. Let us slay him swiftly!'

How bloodthirsty this Werewolf is...

Six is acting weird, but that seems to be his style

and

The Sixth surely looks like he's quite lost many times but he also posts things that at least look pretty complicated.

This probably comes from me being quite a bit younger and also more eccentric than you. Plus I'm not that experienced at Werewolf, obviously. Believe me when I say I am not at all offended.

Seeing as my answer is apparently of 'utmost importance', I would like to reveal that I am an (albiet deluded) normal villager. I have no special role and though I must admit Legate's analysis of me was extraordinary, all of the material comes from a lack of experience in Werewolf. I have now learned not to put too much trust in one player and also to not hold a grudge against players like Legate and Gil-Galad who accuse me.

I am just a regular villager. There you go! Believe it or don't!

. . . Anyway we've almost certainly won this game, if Mac is a real Seer, which I think he is.

And without further ado, I might as well vote.

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Shade of Carn Dum! Yessss!

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I don't see a reason to not vote xyzzy. I kinda can relate to a newbie though. Ah well.

++xyzzy