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LjósÁlfr · 04-12-2007, 02:20 PM

I can't help but awensering you're question; alt + d becomes a ð and alt + t becomes a þ, alt + z becomes a æ alt + l becomes ø etc..

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-12-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LjósÁlfr

I can't help but awensering you're question; alt + d becomes a ð and alt + t becomes a þ, alt + z becomes a æ alt + l becomes ø etc..

(can't help but try it)
Đ ... nothing ... nothing ... Ł ... doesn't work!

littlemanpoet · 04-12-2007, 08:09 PM

On some computers, alt + '----' - that is, four numbers, results in a great variety of fascinating alternatives. For example:

alt + 0237 = í
alt + 0251 = û

and so forth.

Back to the topic of Anglo-Saxon deities, which was the original question (what deity would be equivalent in Anglo-Saxon to Mars?). The Church seems to have wiped out much of our knowledge in that regard. However, I recall in my reading of Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott, that there were references to Anglo-Saxon deities that I had never heard of before nor since. In chapter 30, the Saxon Ulrica commits suicide by burning herself in a tower; while the flames consume it, she is singing a Scald, a dire song that includes this:

Light the torch, Zernebock is yelling!

I don't know who this is, but he apparenlty has to do with fire.

LjósÁlfr · 04-14-2007, 08:32 AM

A quick wikipedia research gave me a list of Anglo-Saxon God's, but because HTML is off I can't post the handy table that is given on that site, showing the Anglo - Saxon, then the Old German and then the Norse equevelant.

But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_deities is the link to the Wikipedia article. This learn's us that, Týr being, in later Norse Mythology playing a Mars-like Role, is the equivalent of Tíw. (Or Zîu in Old German).

Since I havn't learned of one Germanic language where the Genitive case isn't an S for male singular, Tíws would be the equivalent of Martis.

(If Anglo-Saxon is different with the s from Dutch, German, Old Norse (and the 6 language's derived from Old Norse) and Modern English, please do tell)

littlemanpoet · 04-14-2007, 02:13 PM

The thing about English is that it has become so bastardized with borrowings in turn from Viking Danish, Norman French, then Parisian French, then Latin and Greek, that it has ceased to be an inflected language, often rendering cases such as genitive and dative at least partially obsolete.

There are three types of language:

aglutinative, inflectional, and analytical.

Aglutinative is a language in which case is derived by means of changes within the word (I can't give you any examples).

Inflectional derives cases by means of suffixes and prefixes (Latin, old Germanic).

Analytical derives cases by means of helping words, which is how English mostly functions these days.

All that by way of saying that you won't find "s" endings on English names to denote male singular.

(I hope I didn't just confuse everybody.)

LjósÁlfr · 04-14-2007, 02:28 PM

You didn't with me I think.... But even in modern English... If you want to say Fred the book is owned by Fred, you get: "Freds Book". The s is what remains of a Genitive case, the same s still exists in (Both Old and Modern) Dutch, and in German. It's exists in the Nordic languages (including Old Norse).....

If you're still not convinced, I've got a book about Anglo-Saxon, I'll look it up in there tomorrow

Oh, and since I'm Dutch, and speak quit some German, I'll give a example of both these language's as well.

Now in German the name-cases still exist properly. The Germans generally use an article, only with the Genitive they've got the s in the end as well. The article is Des, and you get an S in the end of the word as well. For example, 'from the father' would be 'des vaters'

Dutch cases are basicly the same as German ones, 1 or 2 Article's are different though, but in Dutch, (for those who speak Dutch) think of the saying 'De heer des huizes', or 's morgens... ('s is shortend for des).

With some quick looking up I'd be able to give you examples of Old Norse and the modern Nordic Languages as well, but I cba

littlemanpoet · 04-14-2007, 02:51 PM

Ah, you speak of the "English possessive", one of the few hold-outs from its inflective ancestry. But it has nothing to do anymore with gender. Sam's rope, Galadriel's mirror, the balrog's wings. So masculine, feminine, (perhaps) neuter; it's all the same.

But yes, having taken German in college, I'm aware of the fact of gender as still prevalent in that language.

LjósÁlfr · 04-15-2007, 05:24 AM

Uhm.... the Genitive case IS possesive, in German you probaly called it the second (name) case.... In Latin we call it the Genitive (Genitivus). Since all Indo-Proto-European language's once had 8 name cases (Nominativus, Vocativus, Genitivus, Dativus, Accusativus, Ablativus, Locativus and Instrumentalis), we have one universal term for it, and that's the Latin one (Or word's taken from the Latin name Nominativus = Nominative in English)....

Oh and I looked it up in my book about Anglo-Saxon, it's -es

So my Anglo-Saxon (Blah.. it's not Rohirric, it's Anglo-Saxon, or Old English) would be Tíwes

The Nouns in Anglo-Saxon, male the a-stem :

Singular
Nom. - Hund
Gen. - Hundes
Dat. - Hunde
Acc. - Hund

plural
Nom. - Hundas
Gen. - Hunda
Dat. - Hundum
Acc. - Hundas

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04-12-2007, 02:20 PM	#1
LjósÁlfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sá er einn staðr þar, er kallaðr er Álfheimr. There is a place in the sky, that's called Elf Home. Posts: 23	I can't help but awensering you're question; alt + d becomes a ð and alt + t becomes a þ, alt + z becomes a æ alt + l becomes ø etc..

04-12-2007, 08:09 PM	#3
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	On some computers, alt + '----' - that is, four numbers, results in a great variety of fascinating alternatives. For example: alt + 0237 = í alt + 0251 = û and so forth. Back to the topic of Anglo-Saxon deities, which was the original question (what deity would be equivalent in Anglo-Saxon to Mars?). The Church seems to have wiped out much of our knowledge in that regard. However, I recall in my reading of Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott, that there were references to Anglo-Saxon deities that I had never heard of before nor since. In chapter 30, the Saxon Ulrica commits suicide by burning herself in a tower; while the flames consume it, she is singing a Scald, a dire song that includes this: Light the torch, Zernebock is yelling! I don't know who this is, but he apparenlty has to do with fire.

04-14-2007, 08:32 AM	#4
LjósÁlfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sá er einn staðr þar, er kallaðr er Álfheimr. There is a place in the sky, that's called Elf Home. Posts: 23	A quick wikipedia research gave me a list of Anglo-Saxon God's, but because HTML is off I can't post the handy table that is given on that site, showing the Anglo - Saxon, then the Old German and then the Norse equevelant. But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_deities is the link to the Wikipedia article. This learn's us that, Týr being, in later Norse Mythology playing a Mars-like Role, is the equivalent of Tíw. (Or Zîu in Old German). Since I havn't learned of one Germanic language where the Genitive case isn't an S for male singular, Tíws would be the equivalent of Martis. (If Anglo-Saxon is different with the s from Dutch, German, Old Norse (and the 6 language's derived from Old Norse) and Modern English, please do tell)

04-14-2007, 02:13 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	The thing about English is that it has become so bastardized with borrowings in turn from Viking Danish, Norman French, then Parisian French, then Latin and Greek, that it has ceased to be an inflected language, often rendering cases such as genitive and dative at least partially obsolete. There are three types of language: aglutinative, inflectional, and analytical. Aglutinative is a language in which case is derived by means of changes within the word (I can't give you any examples). Inflectional derives cases by means of suffixes and prefixes (Latin, old Germanic). Analytical derives cases by means of helping words, which is how English mostly functions these days. All that by way of saying that you won't find "s" endings on English names to denote male singular. (I hope I didn't just confuse everybody.)

04-14-2007, 02:28 PM	#6
LjósÁlfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sá er einn staðr þar, er kallaðr er Álfheimr. There is a place in the sky, that's called Elf Home. Posts: 23	You didn't with me I think.... But even in modern English... If you want to say Fred the book is owned by Fred, you get: "Freds Book". The s is what remains of a Genitive case, the same s still exists in (Both Old and Modern) Dutch, and in German. It's exists in the Nordic languages (including Old Norse)..... If you're still not convinced, I've got a book about Anglo-Saxon, I'll look it up in there tomorrow Oh, and since I'm Dutch, and speak quit some German, I'll give a example of both these language's as well. Now in German the name-cases still exist properly. The Germans generally use an article, only with the Genitive they've got the s in the end as well. The article is Des, and you get an S in the end of the word as well. For example, 'from the father' would be 'des vaters' Dutch cases are basicly the same as German ones, 1 or 2 Article's are different though, but in Dutch, (for those who speak Dutch) think of the saying 'De heer des huizes', or 's morgens... ('s is shortend for des). With some quick looking up I'd be able to give you examples of Old Norse and the modern Nordic Languages as well, but I cba

04-14-2007, 02:51 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Ah, you speak of the "English possessive", one of the few hold-outs from its inflective ancestry. But it has nothing to do anymore with gender. Sam's rope, Galadriel's mirror, the balrog's wings. So masculine, feminine, (perhaps) neuter; it's all the same. But yes, having taken German in college, I'm aware of the fact of gender as still prevalent in that language.

04-15-2007, 05:24 AM	#8
LjósÁlfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sá er einn staðr þar, er kallaðr er Álfheimr. There is a place in the sky, that's called Elf Home. Posts: 23	Uhm.... the Genitive case IS possesive, in German you probaly called it the second (name) case.... In Latin we call it the Genitive (Genitivus). Since all Indo-Proto-European language's once had 8 name cases (Nominativus, Vocativus, Genitivus, Dativus, Accusativus, Ablativus, Locativus and Instrumentalis), we have one universal term for it, and that's the Latin one (Or word's taken from the Latin name Nominativus = Nominative in English).... Oh and I looked it up in my book about Anglo-Saxon, it's -es So my Anglo-Saxon (Blah.. it's not Rohirric, it's Anglo-Saxon, or Old English) would be Tíwes The Nouns in Anglo-Saxon, male the a-stem : Singular Nom. - Hund Gen. - Hundes Dat. - Hunde Acc. - Hund plural Nom. - Hundas Gen. - Hunda Dat. - Hundum Acc. - Hundas