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Morwen · 03-15-2007, 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=radagastly]I think that, like Tom, she was beyond it's influence, though not for the same reasons. Tom was Master of his domain, and within its borders, nothing was master of him. The Ring had nothing to offer him, because he already had all he wanted and knew it. He is contentment.

Shelob was much the opposite, perhaps even a deliberate foil for Tom, of sorts (though I would never second-guess Tolkien's intentions.) Much like Ungoliant with Morgoth, her greed and hunger seemed to surpass Sauron's even at the height of his power. Surely the Ring, alone and seperate from its Master's Hand, could never tempt a creature that was already consumed with temptation. She simply wouldn't notice the difference between the Ring's poison carrots and her own lust.

Also, the Ring itself may well have held back in her presence. Certainly, Sauron had no real influence over Shelob, just a convenient truce. The Ring could certainly not expect to have any more success than that. Even if the Ring managed to take hold of Shelob, it would very likely find itself in the same kind of dark cave as it was with Gollum. Only this time, it's keeper would eat any possible finders before they ever got close enough to touch their hand on them as Bilbo did. There, on the very edge of it's homeland, it would be lost in the dark forever.[/QUOTE] (my emphasis)

That would have been bad news for poor Gollum after all his hard work in betraying Frodo so that he get the Ring (after Shelob had finished dining on Frodo of course). It never seems to have crossed his mind that She might take his precious.

That said, I agree that Shelob would not have had much use for the Ring. Her agenda seemed to be eating anything that moved, not world domination. Also, (and here I readily admit that I am no expert on arachnid anatomy) but would binding Frodo in cords have brought Shelob into physical contact with the Ring? Especially as the Ring was located on a chain hidden inside Frodo's clothing?

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03-15-2007, 06:40 PM	#15
Morwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 274	[QUOTE=radagastly]I think that, like Tom, she was beyond it's influence, though not for the same reasons. Tom was Master of his domain, and within its borders, nothing was master of him. The Ring had nothing to offer him, because he already had all he wanted and knew it. He is contentment. Shelob was much the opposite, perhaps even a deliberate foil for Tom, of sorts (though I would never second-guess Tolkien's intentions.) Much like Ungoliant with Morgoth, her greed and hunger seemed to surpass Sauron's even at the height of his power. Surely the Ring, alone and seperate from its Master's Hand, could never tempt a creature that was already consumed with temptation. She simply wouldn't notice the difference between the Ring's poison carrots and her own lust. Also, the Ring itself may well have held back in her presence. Certainly, Sauron had no real influence over Shelob, just a convenient truce. The Ring could certainly not expect to have any more success than that. Even if the Ring managed to take hold of Shelob, it would very likely find itself in the same kind of dark cave as it was with Gollum. Only this time, it's keeper would eat any possible finders before they ever got close enough to touch their hand on them as Bilbo did. There, on the very edge of it's homeland, it would be lost in the dark forever.[/QUOTE] (my emphasis) That would have been bad news for poor Gollum after all his hard work in betraying Frodo so that he get the Ring (after Shelob had finished dining on Frodo of course). It never seems to have crossed his mind that She might take his precious. That said, I agree that Shelob would not have had much use for the Ring. Her agenda seemed to be eating anything that moved, not world domination. Also, (and here I readily admit that I am no expert on arachnid anatomy) but would binding Frodo in cords have brought Shelob into physical contact with the Ring? Especially as the Ring was located on a chain hidden inside Frodo's clothing?