Admin thread to WW XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Thinlómien]

I must say how dumbfounded I was when Lalaith made her suspicion list and listed only me and Gil as the innocent-looking ones.

(That was actually one of the reasons I trusted her so much, I thought she had spotted our alliance and as we weren't dead soon I thought she must be innocent.)

But Lal, was that just hunch/general feel or did you guess we were the remaining gifteds?

And what should have been in the ramble of the last post, I must add that I almost feel like having a ww-pause until I get a net access home... the lack of it was especially frustrating this time!

[Durelin]

Abridged version of the Night Six...

Night Six

Originally Posted by Legate

The Ranger/Hunter pair, after toDay - I hope I am not assuming too much, or that I am not mistaken - but if I am not, it is either Kath&Gil-Galad or Mith&Hookbill.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I think trying to go after the Ranger at this point is the best we can do. Besides that, I do not believe there is anything tracing Kath back to either of us.

Kath is probably a good choice for a kill. Lommy is too, but she might be a little riskier...

Originally Posted by Legate

Now it struck me. Gil-Galad probably really is the Hunter. He always mentions "moving someone higher on his list", and he posts quite frequently a list of people. Which, I think, is just what Hunter should post to the Mod - maybe he posts it even outside to acknowledge his Ranger comrade (Kath). Okay, maybe it's nothing. But anyway, I think it is the best if we get Kath

Originally Posted by Durelin

Well, I still think for toNight that Kath is a good choice. Lommy and Gil I would like to get rid of soon...

Originally Posted by Legate

Hmm... hopefully toMorrow, vox populi will go either against Gil or Hookbill... or Lalaith... or someone else, after all, this doesn't matter that much now At present time, there are not many votes needed... we can sway the things more to our cause, though of course I'd possibly avoid obvious cooperation if it is not needed...

[Durelin]

Abridged version of Night Seven... Legate should post the entirety of his VERY LONG hunter pondering PM. It was just amazing. The amount of work and thought he put into that...insane. I wasn't sure if you'd want it all shared, though, Legate, so I've only shared small (very small by comparison) pieces.

Night Seven

I don’t have anything from my first PM that Night, but I know I was pushing for the killing of Lommy.

Originally Posted by Legate

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

That was some move, Durelin!!! The village nailed it! We couldn't've done better ourselves!!! I managed to run here literally in the last minute only to see the result of toDay's work! Wooohoo! Great, great, great! Let's open the bottle of champaign...

Originally Posted by Legate

I'm gonna double-check it now. I guess the Hunter is not among the people who voted for Gil, so neither Hookbill, Kitanna nor Mithalwen is the Hunter, possibly (unless it is some sort of double trick, which I doubt).

The remaining are Lalaith and Thin.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Lalaith is a bit of a danger to me, but don't think she's enough of one to overly worry about it, and I certainly don't want to get caught in a Durelin killed Lalaith situation, even if people might see it as a "framing."

I think it possible she could get lynched toMorrow. If not, though...she should at least be our next kill.

Originally Posted by Legate

*******PREMISE: AVOID THE HUNTER*******

Originally Posted by Legate

Lommy, later:

Does she know Gil is her Gifted comrade and thus innocent (and this is bluff), or not? If they are R&H, would she say things like that? But Lommy is a master-player, or isn't she? Could this be a provocation for the Faithfuls?

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How to read this?

I realize now that I really should have paid more attention to that last quote...^^

Originally Posted by Durelin

So we could go for someone we pretty much know isn't the Hunter, like Hookbill or Kitanna. Or we could try our luck with Lommy. I wouldn't put it past Lommy to "bluff" or whatever, but that doesn't mean anything.

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I don't want to kill Hookbill or Kitanna because they could easily take some of the fall for Gil's lynching. On the other hand, I don't want to blow it tonight.

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Alright, I think Hookbill is our best lynch option tomorrow. I'd like to have Kitanna as an option, too, but if we want to be safe, she is a very safe kill option.

Originally Posted by Legate

[Kitanna]'s a "safe" option for us, but... her death will:
a) eliminate a possible target for Lommy (thus, a possible lynch target toMorrow, but worse, bringing Lommy to having to choose another suspect)
b) eliminate a person who suspects Hookbill quite a lot (unless after the Gil fiasco she changes her mind)

The kill of Lommy might:
a) cast suspicion on Kitanna, because she voted for her (well... "if the Faithfuls were that stupid to do this", but anyway it can bring a debate of it at least)
b) eliminate a person whom quite a lot people think innocent
c) eliminate a person who thinks Hookbill and also maybe Lalaith innocent

The kill of Mithalwen seems somewhat risky. I am afraid she might be the Hunter, unless she wants to completely misguide everyone. Or is just crazy.

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Conclusions:
Hookbill - 99% not the Hunter. Might be suspected, so I think it would be best to leave him alone this night.
Kitanna - 90% not the Hunter. Might be suspected, so I think it would be best to leave her alone this night.
Thinlómien - I think she is not the Hunter - or at least I think it the less probable of all three (Mith, Lalaith, Lommy). Is trusted quite a lot, so I think it would be best to kill her this night.
Lalaith - Not sure if she is the Hunter. Trusts me but does not trust you, so I think it would be better not to kill her this night, since it might leave tracks and also, she could be the Hunter far more likely than Lommy (from my thoughts).
Mithalwen - I think she is the Hunter, at least I think it is the most probable of all three. Not any other problem with her, so I'd rather leave her alone this night.

Originally Posted by Durelin

All we can do is risk it, and Lommy has been an assumed innocent anyway. Also, though I have been on her suspicion list, I don't think you have, so if she is the Hunter, with only two choices, she will certainly pick two others before you, and possibly two before me? Maybe.

++Lommy

Originally Posted by Legate

I think this would be good. Well, unless Lommy turns out to be a Hunter

Originally Posted by Mac

You have killed the hunter. "eek"

Which one of you will go with him?

You will see... :P

Originally Posted by Legate

Darn it.

[Lalaith]

OMG. I can't believe it...you didn't even think Lommy was the Hunter anyway so all my careful deductions that Saturday were a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME....it was a really nice day, I could have been out in the sunshine and everything....
*throws another childish tantrum*


Lommy, I thought you must be innocent because you kept saying things I'd been thinking. Which tends to be a good sign, in my experience.
And I thought Gil was innocent because of the Glirdan thing, a wolfish nighttime discussion would have cleared up his confusion and clearly he hadn't been party to any such discussion.
And then, when Gil turned out to be the Ranger, I realised you must be the Hunter. Because we were the only two to defend him.

[The Saucepan Man]

Many thanks for posting that Durelin. Legate's compelling analyses and dedutions were another Night-time highlight for me, so it's great to see that he continued analysing and deducing right up to the end.

Your choice of Kath was quite unexpected to me, even though we had discussed her previously, so it's good to see the reasoning. I thought that was probably what led you to kill her.

My own view (from the grave) was that Lommy was the best choice for Night 7. I thought that there was a 50:50 chance of her being the Hunter (on the basis that only she and Lal did not vote for Gil), but I had thought that Lal had defended him more throughout the game. It didn't occur to me that a Huntress Mith might have put in the last minute vote for Gil to avoid detection, but (even though it was not the case) it was solid reasoning. Still, even though I thought that there was a significant risk that Lommy would take one of you with her, she looked the best bet because she had in effect become an all-but-known innocent. I also thought that, even if she took one of you with her (and I thought Durelin the most likely), the other would still be in with a good chance, albeit that this would involve seeing through another Day.

Anyway, interesting stuff, so thanks.

Oh and Noggie, I would have been rambling on about always seeming to vote for the Seer whether I had been innocent or guilty because ... well ... I always do. I even managed to vote for her in this game without actually intending to ...

[Lalaith]

Oh and btw, Lommy, if I *had* guessed you and Gil were the H&R, there's no way I would have drawn attention to it by grouping you together as innocents like that! Sorry, it must have been rather worrying for you both...

[Thinlómien]

Those PMs are so funny! Thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oh and btw, Lommy, if I *had* guessed you and Gil were the H&R, there's no way I would have drawn attention to it by grouping you together as innocents like that! Sorry, it must have been rather worrying for you both...

It actually wasn't, since almost no one was heeding what you were saying... And I thought that if you were a wolf, you wouldn't have said that, but killed us in the night and thus I thought you were innocent...