Werewolf XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Nogrod]

Gosh how time is flying!

Just wish to say this before I wrap I my last points about a few people I've been looking at the last hours.

I really wish to take a look at both Durelin and tgwbs. Maybe some others should do that too? This means not that I now think that they are villains but some things that I have passed here and there in a rush when skimming through other things kind of make me nervous enough to wish to see what they have been up to all along. They would be good guys to have on our side so they should be checked thoroughly...

[Nogrod]

Kitanna
Kitanna has been consistent and reasonable all the time. I somehow get a good vibe from her this time (it has not been the case everytime...) even though I would so much wish to see her post a bit more. I know that one thing that made me look more better of her was her lengthy wondering of why Rikae thought we should not vote for Roa (#245) as I shared the same confusion (that was about the only thing why I thought there was a small chance that we were led astray with her earlier yesterDay – another one being that there was a genuine possibility for Roa’s case, although a slight one again).

Now I know some of you say that there is the argument of numbers (which I disagree still) but if you look at how she ponders it, it sounds genuine embarrassement for the sake of the village making her doubt Rikae a little – even though she declares in the end believing her. Now this I would say sounds like someone who really cares for the village and tries to do her best for it. So even if we have a “plain case” she has the courage to voice her doubt if she thinks there is something fishy in there.

And what a fool I’ll feel myself if I’m wrong about her, but at least for now I’m not worried about her.


Lalaith
Now Lalaith really confuses me. I mean Confuses. Just think of this.

She votes Holby because of the “whom do we pray”-sentence, speculates that the wolves might be sacrificing one of their own on Day1 (!), all this to and fro with asking Rikae whom she had dreamt of and seemed to be most confused about anything that happened in Night2...

The really odd episode was her retracting from Holby to Mänwe with stated reason that the Seer must be safe. Now what she did was getting Mänwe to 5 votes while Garin was in 6 (and Rikae in 4). If the primary reason is to save the Seer one should vote for Garin. And she clearly realised it as she answers on Day2 to Roa’s question of that vote-change thus:

Yes, I knew Rikae was almost certainly safe at that point but you never know, hasty last-minute voting by people who don't finish reading a thread, it has happened....so I switched my vote to be sure.
The two alternatives were Garin and Manwe, and I felt Garin was probably innocent - as he indeed proved to be. Of the two, I preferred to see Manwe lynched as I wasn't as sure about him.

Now all this makes sense but the bolded part. I’m not sure what to make of this. The wolves may slip when they try to come up with fabricated excuses but that’s also very humane (I’m indeed more inclined to interpret that to and fro with Rikae’s dreams as a pure mistake in thought and not as a wolvish plan immediately retracted).

Even though there might be reasons to suspect her I’m inclined not to, at least much, at the moment.

[Nogrod]

Quadruple posting...

Time to sleep. I need to look at the rest later.

Do something people!

PS. After all this I'm not so sure about my Spm-theory any more (I'm getting new ones I think). But I've not forgotten that either!

I indeed seem to be lacking a fourth one anyway...

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe, yesterDay was eventful enough while I was present, but I see that it became even more so after I left ...

A brief word on my vote as, even though I thought I had explained my position sufficiently at the time, it still seems to have caused an issue. I had to vote when I did. I did not have sufficient time to be able to form any firm opinion on anyone other than Rikae and Roa (and Nogrod, obviously). While I could not be 100% certain, I was pretty much convinced that Roa was the Cobbler. So I thought it by far the best course to vote for her than to vote for someone about whom I was unsure.

And, in retrospect and my own position aside, I am having some difficulty seeing any convincing reason for not voting for her. Had she not been lynched, the likelihood is that an innocent would have been (particularly as I seem to have been the principal alternative candidate ). So, the most likely result of not voting for her would have been 15 villagers toDay, 5 of whom would have been opposed to the innocents. And, while Roa could have been ignored, her vote would have remained valid (and retractable). That, to my mind, would have been a significantly worse position than we find ourselves in toDay. Also, while I think it unlikely that the Faithfuls would have left Rikae alive, since that would most probably have given her two further dreams, it was possible that (still being four in number) they would have taken the risk, and we would have had no way of knowing which of Roa and Rikae was telling the truth, nor could we have been sure of Nogrod's innocence. Much damage could have been done before the position was clarified.

So, I find myself rather wary of those who voted other than for Roa and, in particular, those who look to have been urging the village not to lynch her (despite this having also been the counsel of our departed Seer). I am particularly concerned over the parts that TGWBS and Mithalwen played in the affair, TGWBS more so because Mith's actions were possibly too bold, and therefore too risky, to have been those of a Faithful. TGWBS appears to have been far more subtle about it.

Finally, for now, I am curious as to what the case against me was yesterDay. As far as I can see, there were no reasons given, other than Roa's twisted analysis and Mithalwen's reference to my "quibble" (which others have noted and dwelt on far longer than I) and "hasty vote for Roa" (which I thought I had explained). Oh, and Gil's distaste for my lengthy posts.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

After all this I'm not so sure about my Spm-theory any more ...

Nogrod, despite referring frequently to your suspicions of me, you have never really explained this "Spm theory". As I said yesterDay, I was not prepared to respond to Roa's attack on me. But, I will happily answer any points brough up by those now present.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Someone who has time might wish to look at the voting records by now.

I plan on looking at the votes cast over the last two Days. Not sure whether I will be able to until (RL) tomorrow as its getting late here, although I may try to do Day 1 tonight at least. I also plan on trawling through Roa's analyses since, while Roa was clearly up to all sorts of tricks designed to confuse, confuddle and deceive, I still think that there might be something useful there now that we know her identity.

Happily, I hope to be much more active this Day, as (touch wood) work has eased off a bit.

[Durelin]

I feel like I need to make some witty comment about the subtle difference between "touch wood" and "knock on wood" as we 'mericans say, and what that might suggest about cultural differences, but I find myself at a loss...

(Now back to your regularly scheduled program...programme?)

[The Saucepan Man]

Here's the Day 1 voting record:

Durelin: ++Manwe (Manwe 1)
Rikae: ++Manwe (Manwe 2)
Manwe: ++Nogrod (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1)
Lommy: ++Rikae (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 1)
Garin: ++Nogrod (Manwe 2, Nogrod 2, Rikae 1)
Garin: - - Nogrod, ++Rikae (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 2)
Brinniel: ++Rikae (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 3)
TGWBS: ++Garin (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 3, Garin 1)
Roa: ++SpM (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 3, Garin 1, SpM 1)
Kitanna: ++Garin (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 3, Garin 2, Spm 1)
Rune: ++Garin (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 3, Garin 3, Spm 1)
SpM: ++Rikae (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 3, Spm 1)
Hookbill: ++Manwe (Manwe 3, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 3, Spm 1)
Holby: ++Garin (Manwe 3, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 4, Spm 1)
Lalaith: ++Holby (Manwe 3, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 4, Spm 1, Holby 1)

Rikae reveals

Durelin: --Manwe, ++Garin (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 5, Spm 1, Holby 1)
Roa: --SpM, ++Garin (Manwe 2, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 6, Holby 1)
Legate: ++Manwe (Manwe 3, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 6, Holby 1)
Mithalwen: ++Lalaith (Manwe 3, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 6, Holby 1, Lalaith 1)
Nogrod: ++Manwe (Manwe 4, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 6, Holby 1, Lalaith 1)
Lalaith: --Holby, ++Manwe (Manwe 5, Nogrod 1, Rikae 4, Garin 6, Lalaith 1)

Did not vote: Kath, Glirdan, Gil-Galad, The Might

Manwe voters: Durelin (retracted), Rikae, Hookbill, Legate, Nogrod, Lalaith

If my hunch is correct that Manwe is innocent and the Faithfuls saw him as presenting himself as an easy target in the early stages (both big “ifs”, admittedly), then Durelin’s early vote, which she only changed after Rikae declared, is a matter for concern. I am not sure that she needed to make such an early vote, since she was present for much of the latter part of the Day. Possibly, therefore, a Faithful Durelin was testing the waters for a possible lynch campaign against Manwe. There was little in the way of reasoning, as it was based upon Manwe’s “in-character-banter” and style. It was Day 1, admittedly, but it seems rather early to have been voting for a “newbie” just because of his style.

I think it worth noting that Rune was the first to cast doubt on Manwe, and Kitanna expressed early suspicions of him too, again because of his style and also for that early accusation of Nogrod, Roa, Kitanna and me (which I am inclined to see as a tactic). Both later changed tack, possibly because support for his lynching was not gathering as much ground as expected. On reflection, this might be regarded as more suspicious, certainly more cautious, than an early vote for him, since a vote is more likely to attract attention.

One cautionary note on the rationale behind these thoughts. They are predicated on Manwe's innocence. While I still think that Manwe has been talking more sense than many are giving him credit for, it does seem to me that he has given very little indication as to who he thinks the Faithfuls might be, after that early four-way accusation. It is possible that, after that early boldness, he has been advised by Faithful friends to tone it down a bit.

As for the later votes for Manwe, these came after Rikae has declared. These were from Legate, Nogrod and a last minute switch from Lalaith. I am curious as to why Legate decided to vote for Manwe rather than Garin, since Garin was on 6 and Manwe on 2 at the time, and so a vote for Garin surely stood a better chance of ensuring Rikae's safety (plus, to my mind, he looked the more suspicious).

Lalaith's late switch to Manwe is notable too. Given that Garin was the more likely by then to be lynched, it might be regarded as relatively "safe".

Rikae voters: Lommy, Brinniel, SpM, Garin

I can understand the early votes for Rikae, as Rikae most definitely looked suspicious (to me, anyway) at the time. The later votes came from me and Garin, both of whom I know to be innocent. So, there's not a lot that I can draw from these votes. They were certainly not "safe", as Rikae was under a fair bit of suspicion at that stage.

Garin voters: TGWBS, Kitanna, Rune, Holby, Durelin, Roa

This is difficult since, although he was innocent, Garin certainly presented himself as an easy target with his own manner of voting. It is quite likely that one, possibly two, of the Faithfuls seized on this. In that regard, I find the votes of TGWBS, Rune and Kitanna to be the more suspicious, as they came before Rikae’s reveal. As noted above, Rune and Kitanna had both withdrawn from earlier mild accusations against Manwe.

Durelin’s switch from Manwe to Garin is of interest as it quickly followed Rikae’s declaration, and so disregarded further consideration over possible alternatives.

Others:

Manwe for Nogrod - I don’t find this overly suspicious, as I too was concerned about Nogrod on Day 1. That said, it was early, and based, as far as I can see, solely on Noggie’s comments on Glirdan. Not a particularly “safe” vote, but supported only by minimal evidence (even by Day 1 standards).

Lalaith for Holby (retracted) - This looks like the “safest” vote of the Day to me as Holby had not been under serious supicion and was very unlikely, at that point, to be lynched. I don’t really understand her reasoning either. She refers to an “in-character” comment made by Holby in her first post as a possible message from a Cobbler to the Faithfuls. That looks to me to be very weak grounds for a vote. And why was she trying to lynch the Cobbler at that stage when she should have been hunting Were-Faithfuls? Decidedly suspicious. And not necessarily redeemed by her late switch to Manwe which, as I have noted, might also be regarded as "safe".

Mithalwen for Lalaith - I can understand why she would vote for Lalaith, given how odd Lalaith’s vote looked and she was also, I think, slightly miffed over Lalaith having picked her up on her first post comment. But, at this point, Garin was on 6 and Rikae on 4, with four left to vote (excluding The Might) and possible further switches, Rikae’s survival was by no means guaranteed. Despite having good reason (for Day 1) for voting for Lalaith, I would have thought that securing Rikae’s survival was a more important consideration. It might also be regarded as a “safe” vote, given that Lalaith was in no danger of being lynched.

I’m not setting too much store by the “did not votes”, given the explanations on the Admin thread, at this stage at least.

Since I should have been abed hours ago, Day 2 will have to wait. For now, though, here’s the voting record:

Gil-Galad: ++SpM (SpM 1)
Lommy: ++TGWBS (SpM 1, TGWBS 1)
Brinniel: ++Legate (SpM 1 TGWBS 1, Legate 1)
SpM: ++Roa (SpM 1, TGWBS 1, Legate 1, Roa 1)
Lalaith: ++Roa (SpM 1, TGWBS 1, Legate 1, Roa 2)
Rune: ++Legate (SpM 1, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 2)
Kath: ++Roa (SpM 1, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 3)
Roa: ++Roa (SpM 1, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 4)
Mithalwen: ++SpM (SpM 2, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 4)
TGWBS: ++Brinniel (SpM 2, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 4, Brinniel 1)
Roa: --Roa, ++SpM (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 3, Brinniel 1)
Durelin: ++Roa (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 4, Brinniel 1)
Manwe: ++Roa (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 5, Brinniel 1)
Legate: ++Roa (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 6, Brinniel 1)
Rikae: ++Mithalwen (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 6, Brinniel 1, Mithalwen 1)
Nogrod: ++Roa (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 2, Roa 7, Brinniel 1, Mithalwen 1)
Rikae: --Mithalwen, ++Legate (SpM 3, TGWBS 1, Legate 3, Roa 7, Brinniel 1)

Did not vote: Kitanna, Glirdan, Hookbill

[Brinniel]

I was a bit rushed yesterday, so I didn't get to think things out as much as I would've liked before I had to vote. Roa may have been the easiest vote, but since her role was revealed, I found myself wanting to catch a werewolf instead. But maybe I needed more time to think, because now that I look back on it, I am glad it was she who was killed. ToDay is much less confusing, and I feel we can get down to the bottom of this and pick out the Faithful now that we do not have to expect a flood of posts from Roa.

Legate is still suspicious for me, he is just a little too friendly for my liking...which is again one of my reasons for voting for him yesterday. But toDay I still need to analyze him further.

And at this point I'm not sure what to think of Hookbill. I won't take him off my suspect list, but with his very small presence (for understandable reasons), it's hard to get a good judge of character.

I feel like I am at a slight disadvantage as a newcomer. I'm not yet aware of everyone's playing styles- what's normal and what's abnormal. I am certainly studying everyone's posts...and as a result I find I have a tendency to do more reading than writing.

There are others (besides the two previously mentioned) who I'd like to consider suspects: Kath, Lommy, Rune, Kitanna

I have a bad habit of going off hunches without giving good enough reason...something I'll try to avoid here. Unfortunately, toDay I simply won't have time to make a full analysis of all of those on my suspicious list. It's been a very hectic week for me, as I notice it's been for many. The good thing is that after toDay I should have a lot more time on my hands, so I should be around more, as long as I'm still alive.

[Kitanna]

I've decided to take a closer look at Hookbill. I get an uneasy feeling about him and I'm not sure why.

Looking back, Hookbill tends to lean on his status as a newbie to WW. Hiding behind a mask of uncertainty of how things work.
Day One he constantly reminds us that he is "not a good judge of character". He avoids directly accusing anyone at first. He seems a bit uncertain of Manwe, but refusing to openly admit it. He just sort of writes his suspicions off as a "lack of tact" on Manwe's part. In the end he votes for Manwe because he believes Garin is simply being sloppy. Hookbill's vote for Manwe was on instinct it seems.
Day Two in his first, and only, post of the day he continued his "not a good judge of character" defense. He had stated being busy and so his lack on Day Two was no surprise.
Today he seems to finally openly voice suspicions without masking them in a wave of uncertainty about himself. He finds Kath to be suspicious due to her post yesterday about Roa's identity.

All in all I don't like how Hookbill uses his poor judge of character and relative inexperience with werewolf. To me it seems like he is trying to cover his tracks by not tying himself down with accusations and such. I feel rather uncertain about Hookbill at the moment.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Nogrod, despite referring frequently to your suspicions of me, you have never really explained this "Spm theory".

Okay I just have this much time between the lessons and I have thought I should tell you all why I have suspected Spm from Day1 onwards. You should consider whether it has any merit or not. I myself am a little disturbed by it to be honest, mainly because if we make a mistake with SPaM it would be about the worst one we could do...

So. I suspected Spm firstly and foremostly because he seemed to be playing in about exactly the same fashion I would have played if I were a faithful and knew him to be an innocent. We tend to think quite alike many times (surely not always) and share many views about playing this game. And I guess we both would like to get the other one lynched if we were werecreatures. And It would be important to make it in sportman-fashion: no Night kill for the other but getting the other lynched. Definitively.

So what do I see when he enters the game? He starts spreading some mild suggestions that I (and Roa) are to be suspected and seems to be deliberately building small mountains out of almost nonexistent molehills, indeed twisting some of my posting to suit his suspicions.

What's wrong with that? Making a fabricated case - a case in which you don't even believe yourself - is something the werecreatures do (they have to) but which wise villagers avoid doing. I mean, I think I could make pretty damning analyses by adding a few small twists from quite many of the villagers here. But what if someone believes them or the wolves start carrying them? That's no good for us. It's playing to the hands of the baddies. Thence a villager doesn't overstretch his points or make suspicions from nothing / twist things to make suspicions.

As I said, were I a Faithful in this game and knew Spm was not I would have done the things he has done so far. I mean all the rest too: after he would have disagreed with my points I would have stayed with my case and said it is as good an interpretation than which he offers and thence tried to start looking more constructive, focusing on other areas; and had I had Roa on me like he had, I would probably had tried to stay calm like he did etc.

One minor detail to add. I find it somewhat odd that Spm needs to remind us a few times that he's a "serial voter-for-gifteds", humorously to be sure (how else?) and from the very beginning on. Kind of downplaying any later incidents where he has been a major part in lynching innocents / gifteds? I don't know. Sounds unimportant (=might be just joking), but sometimes the Devil does live in the details.

So I'm a bit troubled with this as I admit it ain't much for Day3 suspicion. Then again I haven't yet had time to read any closer his latest contributions toDay. So I will come back to Spm later, but I'm going to go for some others first as I would love to have better cases...

[Mithalwen]

Hi I am here but haven't read through properly yet ..... still kicking myself for not seeing (though Roa clearly did, ) that lynching the doomed Glirdan would have been the best option for the village last night.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't think anyone else than the faithfuls are delighted to have the seer not dreamed about even one wolf before she dies. I mean, her attitude seems too joyful... While it's a good thing that the cobbler's nailed, Durelin seems a bit overjoyed... maybe because she and her companions are in no danger of being dreamed about anymore?

Okay, I hate *defensive* posts as much as the next person, but I have to respond to this. Lommy, hon, you've been the Seer before. So you know how awesome it is to get one of the baddies that early on. And I could not imagine being the Seer with that large of a crowd to sift through at the start! Rikae was outed on Day 1...that's only two dreams. So I went into Day 2 with the belief that we'd simply have two ousted innocents, who'd get systematically killed at Night (though the Ranger would have helped with that, I suppose). To me, getting a baddy of any sort seems better, though I guess that is debatable. There would have been jumping up and down involved if she had managed to dream of a wolf. I would likely have tackled her.

Originally Posted by SPM

Possibly, therefore, a Faithful Durelin was testing the waters for a possible lynch campaign against Manwe.

Actually it was Innocent Durelin seeing if she could get people to wake up a bit. I thought I'd get more negative reaction out of that vote then, rather than two days later.

Alright, school time...*whines about her Hamlet test as she wanders out*

[Durelin]

Ah, the sounds of silence...

Originally Posted by Kath

To me this makes Durelin look somewhat suspicious. Quoting Mith's worries about being lynched for 'supporting' Roa yesterDay and then proceeding to suspect her for that reason would be a wonderful bluff, and I can quite see Durelin as a bold enough wolf to try that.

It's one thing to worry about the village and not want to waste a lynch, but it's a whole other situation when you've got her, as Nogrod has pointed out, crying for any lynch victim other than Roa. Talk about a wasted lynch - a random, rushed lynch just to *save* the known Cobbler.

I don't know what a wolf Mith would try to do, but it doesn't sit right with me. Just because it's obvious doesn't mean it's impossible...I've seen that learned the hard way.

Alright, so I'm going to try my hand at the classic list...I haven't done this in a while, so apologies if I poke any eyes out...

Brinniel - Whoa, I forgot she was playing for a minute. She has come under some scrutiny, but perhaps not enough. She's been playing it extremely safe. It's understandable if she has no time, but that does not mean we can rule her out completely. As new to the game, with wolf-dom placed upon her, perhaps she is even a little afraid to post? I would be, too...though, my first time I got myself killed very early, so actually maybe my judgment isn't so good on that... Her vote for Rikae on Day 1 was quite cozy at the time, though I must say I thought Rikae was looking quite suspicious then myself.

Gil-Galad - Totally out there, uninvolved, etc. I know he doesn't seem to have much time for perfectly understandable reasons, but again, he can't be ruled out completely. Hopefully he can start posting more soon...I recall a recent wolf slipping by because everyone assumed his innocence because he wasn't there.

the guy who be short - Very careful and calculate; terse. I recall this being his style, though, but it has been quite a while... I feel like his opposition to Roa's lynching might have been very nicely placed. He did not shout it like Mith did, but he still opposed it. His vote for Brinniel separates him from the mess that was the Roa-Legate-a little SPM fiasco. Was that for safety, or was he simply going with what he believes? I tend to believe the latter, though it's something to bear in mind for sure. A wolf could have easily been more influential in the voting.

Hookbill the Goomba - Rather sketchy because he was overly amiable, and hasn't asserted any opinions, keeping him safe. Right now he's unable to post, unfortunately, so I feel like trying to make any judgments on him is rather futile. Besides, I think it's just his style setting people off.

Kath - Sneaky. As ever. I think I always suspect Kath. This game I feel like she's kept up the same appearance as usual (minimalistic?), but I also feel like her posts are a little less meaty. That may be just because she's busier than usual, or, when left to make stuff up about innocents to serve wolfish purposes, she finds herself lacking.

Kitanna - Even sneakier than Kath, perhaps? At least I've noticed her less, personally. Her calm assertion in most cases seems innocent, though it could be forced calmness. Right now I think she's innocent looking.

Lalaith - I agree with Nogrod - confusing. I feel like she's been brief and scattered, and is difficult to follow. I think she's been very careful not leave any trails, if she is a wolf.

Legate of Amon Lanc - He's been very amiable and helpful seeming, perhaps putting on the appearance of such. He feels kind of similar to Hookbill to me, though he has been a little more assertive in his opinions.

Mänwe - Confusing, like Lalaith. Though he has posted pretty regularly and seemed to contribute, he's avoided having to really express many opinions. Day 1 was mostly in-characterness, which spilled over a little into Day 2, and yesterDay all he really had to do was participate a little in the Roa debate and vote. I was a little surprised he wasn't the Cobbler...he's still got me confused.

Mithalwen - I've already stated what I think of her.

Rune Son of Bjarne - I totally forgot he was playing. Agh! More on him below....

The Saucepan Man - He's been surprisingly uninvolved for SPM, but he's not the only one who appears to be busy, obviously. I don't think he'd use busy-ness as a ploy as a wolf, but if he doesn't have any choice... When he does have the time, and is innocent, his analyses are very helpful. Of course, I suppose we learned our lesson about helpful analyses with Roa. I haven't seen anything not characteristic of typical Saucie, and whenever I charge after him without anything like that, I end up advocating the lynch of a ranger or something.

Thinlómien - Agh, sneaky Lommy is a scary Lommy. I know she said she'd be gone, but I do get a bit of an edgy feel from the posts she has made. I don't know if she's as "down to business" as I'm used to seeing her.

Okay, on Rune:

Originally Posted by Rune

Even though I got a way better feel about Legate today he is the only one with a vote that I find suspiciouse and now Lommy will ask why I don't build a strong case around one of my other suspects then. . .the answer is: Because I don't have a strong case. But if I was not to vote Legate, I would probably go for Brinniel.

++Legate

Wait...he's got a "way better feel" about him, but he doesn't have anyone else to vote for, so he votes for him, when he pretty much knows like the rest of us did that Roa was the cobbler? Is this a disguised effort to be consistent?

Originally Posted by Rune

Even now when all evidence points towards her being the cobbler she mannage to put doubts in my mind.

I think the only sensible thing to do is to let Roa live for at least another day. . . That I think is the safest action to take.

That looks to me like he's just hopping along for the ride with other people's assertions. Yes, I need to stop using the word "assertions." And he actually acknowledges that Roa has "put" ideas in his head, though still wants to keep her alive? Did he actually doubt Rikae, or was he simply remarking on Roa's skill?

I still really don't understand what went on yesterDay with this little "save Roa" campaign. I wish we could have caught a wolf, but no one was saying that we had a likely wolf, so we shouldn't vote for Roa - we only had half of it going on: "we pretty much know Roa is the Cobbler, so let's not waste a lynch on her." I always agreed with that, but we were missing a good lynch candidate. I am not at all sure of Legate's innocence, but for now all I think he was was just the perfect easy target for...whatever went on, whether wolf driven or not.

Rune has slipped by almost completely unnoticed. When he has posted, he's been concisely helpful, and his posts are almost strategically just enough. His vote for Garin on Day 1 let him slip by nicely, and he's continued to do so ever since. At the least, he worries me.

My God that was a long post... Sorry, guys, but I suppose something has to fill this silence.