Golden Perch Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kath · 02-12-2007, 07:21 AM

Argh I knew there was something I'd forgotten to tell you Mith! Sorry.

Can we do Osanwe Kenta at this young age?

Mithalwen · 02-12-2007, 07:35 AM

It is something that depends on the closeness of the relationship between the person but it also takes more skill and practice especially to communicate over long distances ... in Incarnates transmission of thought requires strengthening to be effective. Strengthening can be by affinity, by urgency, or by authority.
Affinity may be due to kinship; for this may increase the likeness of hröa to hröa, and so of the concerns and modes of thought of the indwelling fëar, kinship is also normally accompanied by love and sympathy. Affinity may come simply from love and friendship, which is likeness or affinity of fëa to fëa.
Urgency is imparted by great need of the "sender" (as in joy, grief or fear); and if these things are in any degree shared by the "receiver" the thought is the clearer received. Authority may also lend force to the thought of one who has a duty towards another, or of any ruler who has a right to issue commands or to seek the truth for the good of others.
These causes may strengthen the thought to pass the veils and reach a recipient mind. But that mind must remain open, and at the least passive. If, being aware that it is addressed, it then closes, no urgency or affinity will enable the sender's thought to enter.

It also requires openess ...so I tend to think that young elves might be more able to communicate between themselves than with their elders - equivalent of human teenagers grunting at their parents but spending aeons on the phone or IM with friends

Boromir88 · 02-12-2007, 11:01 AM

Wow, Mith you understand the teens better than I do. Anyway, I think I can get a response later on tonight, if not it'll come in the morning.

Mithalwen · 02-12-2007, 12:59 PM

Err that quote was from Tolkiens essay ..... but you can pick up a lot even in a short teaching career ...and a term spent as a matron (house mother) in a boarding school looking after 150 kids was quite intensive (the equivalent of 2 children for 19 years

) I actually quite like teenagers ..as long as I am not stuck in a room with 30 of them at a time
Anyway I look forward to your response and hope Edric doesn't flee from the troublesome pair ... I have a feeling their aunt may attempt to recapture them ere long..... then he may meet a more serious elf....

Child of the 7th Age · 02-13-2007, 12:56 AM

Crystal,

Looks great. Go ahead and put back the post with the edits you suggested to me by pm. Just erase my comments from the box.

02-12-2007, 07:21 AM	#1
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Argh I knew there was something I'd forgotten to tell you Mith! Sorry. Can we do Osanwe Kenta at this young age? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

02-12-2007, 07:35 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	It is something that depends on the closeness of the relationship between the person but it also takes more skill and practice especially to communicate over long distances ... in Incarnates transmission of thought requires strengthening to be effective. Strengthening can be by affinity, by urgency, or by authority. Affinity may be due to kinship; for this may increase the likeness of hröa to hröa, and so of the concerns and modes of thought of the indwelling fëar, kinship is also normally accompanied by love and sympathy. Affinity may come simply from love and friendship, which is likeness or affinity of fëa to fëa. Urgency is imparted by great need of the "sender" (as in joy, grief or fear); and if these things are in any degree shared by the "receiver" the thought is the clearer received. Authority may also lend force to the thought of one who has a duty towards another, or of any ruler who has a right to issue commands or to seek the truth for the good of others. These causes may strengthen the thought to pass the veils and reach a recipient mind. But that mind must remain open, and at the least passive. If, being aware that it is addressed, it then closes, no urgency or affinity will enable the sender's thought to enter. It also requires openess ...so I tend to think that young elves might be more able to communicate between themselves than with their elders - equivalent of human teenagers grunting at their parents but spending aeons on the phone or IM with friends __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-12-2007, 11:01 AM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Wow, Mith you understand the teens better than I do. Anyway, I think I can get a response later on tonight, if not it'll come in the morning. __________________ Fenris Penguin

02-12-2007, 12:59 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Err that quote was from Tolkiens essay ..... but you can pick up a lot even in a short teaching career ...and a term spent as a matron (house mother) in a boarding school looking after 150 kids was quite intensive (the equivalent of 2 children for 19 years ) I actually quite like teenagers ..as long as I am not stuck in a room with 30 of them at a time Anyway I look forward to your response and hope Edric doesn't flee from the troublesome pair ... I have a feeling their aunt may attempt to recapture them ere long..... then he may meet a more serious elf.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-13-2007, 12:56 AM	#5
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Crystal, Looks great. Go ahead and put back the post with the edits you suggested to me by pm. Just erase my comments from the box. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

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