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Thinlómien · 02-07-2007, 04:24 AM

If you're starting that early, I could maybe play... but I have a nasty habit of staying alive 'til the last days, so I'm not 100% sure... Maybe if you could count me in with a questionmark after my name?

Roa_Aoife · 02-07-2007, 11:10 AM

If it gets to that point, Thin, we could just kill you off.

Durelin · 02-07-2007, 11:35 AM

I can't resist. I'm in.

So will we be taking on pr0n-star roles in this one...?

Macalaure · 02-08-2007, 03:56 AM

More info on the hunter role

I always wondered why this role is called the hunter. I mean, he doesn't hunt anything, does he? It's really just a villager who knows how to defend himself.

Anyway.

The common hunter chooses one villager each day and night, and if the hunter is killed or lynched, he takes this person with him, be the one guilty or not. On days, this is not a problem, as even the ones who didn't vote him still stand nearby when he goes down, so the hunter can throw his poisoned javelin at a villager of his choice. At night it gets weird: The hunter is surprised in his bed by the wolves, then maybe runs away to kill another innocent in their bed, and then returns to be killed. This makes little sense. Therefore the logical hunter was invented, who, if the person of his choice is not a wolf, gets killed without a kill of his own.

In the last game Nogrod strengthened the role of the hunter and gave him a list of his worst three suspects. I liked this a lot, but I think it makes the hunter almost unkillable for the wolves late in the game, when the hunter can note down almost the whole village.

Here's what I thought of now:

A) At day, the hunter gives me an ordered list of differing size. If the hunter gets killed I check whether there is a werewolf on the list, and the one who is highest on the list gets killed. If there is no werewolf, the innocent at the top of the list is killed.

B) At night, it's the same, only that if there is no werewolf suspected by the hunter, nobody gets hurt (except the hunter himself, of course).

C) The size of the list is at most three, but also at most the size of one third of the village (rounded down). This means, when there are 9 or more villagers, the hunter may note three of them, when there are 8 to 6, it's two, when there are only 5 or less left, it's only one.

I hope I explained it in a way that is comprehensible.

Your thoughts? Makes sense or doesn't? Too strong or too weak?

Nogrod · 02-08-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

I hope I explained it in a way that is comprehensible.

Your thoughts? Makes sense or doesn't? Too strong or too weak?

That was perfectly comprehensible and applaudable.

I think your suggestion is a good one. I would say that in a fairly normal game it is within the balance: it makes the hunter logical and strengthens the role a bit making it nicer to play but doesn't automatically lead the hunter to be the deciding factor in the end.

Good.

Thinlómien · 02-08-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

If it gets to that point, Thin, we could just kill you off.

I believe you could.

And I just joked to Noggie that I should maybe ask Mac to make me a wolf and there'd be no problem of staying alive too long (see sig) ...

Or then I maybe should start a Nilpish way fo playing...

Mac, I love the concept (Faithfuls as werewolves) and the name of this game!

Kitanna · 02-08-2007, 09:12 AM

I realize joining this game could prevent me from doing homework and going into work late, but I miss WW.

I'd like to join in.

Roa_Aoife · 02-08-2007, 10:29 AM

Quote:

A) At day, the hunter gives me an ordered list of differing size. If the hunter gets killed I check whether there is a werewolf on the list, and the one who is highest on the list gets killed. If there is no werewolf, the innocent at the top of the list is killed.

I don't know about this- it's sounds a little close to an automatic wolf-kill. From a story perspective, if someone else if more suspicious to a hunter, why would they suddenly kill a player of less suspicion? If there are two innocents topping the list as suspects, does he get a sudden epiphany about the least suspicion person as he's dying that tips them to being a wolf?

At night it makes sense- he'd be prepared for the wolves in his home, and could take one down if he was suspicious. During the day, however, it should only be his highest suspect. He'd have them right there, and he'd be aiming for the one he was most convinced was a wolf, not the third person on his list. That makes the hunter a bit too over-powered, I think.

Volo · 02-08-2007, 10:36 AM

I sort of agree with Roa, but limiting the list to a third of the village (that doesn't make sense story-wise) would keep the Hunter at a reasonable level. I say we try it out.

(oh, I'm not playing in the game... oops.)

Macalaure · 02-08-2007, 10:43 AM

Well, at the threshold of death, he can see things as they really are.

You definitely have a point here. I will rethink this.

Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration.

Roa_Aoife · 02-08-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration.

A ranger protection always works that a kill is thwarted. The protectee doesn't even know that they've been targeted. That's how a ranger can act as a seer in a sense- when the Day starts, and the narration reveals that there was no kill, the ranger then knows that their protection worked, and that the person they protected is innocent. The protectee remains clueless. So, if a ranger protects a hunter whom the wolves attack, the hunter cannot die, or else it completely circumvents the point of a ranger. And if the hunter does not die, they make no kill.

As for communication between the two, I don't see why not, but it should be limited, such as only during the night, or something like that. I would not deem seer communications fair, though, since it lets a seer reveal info without being exposed, and that just removes the challenge for the village and makes it almost impossible for the wolves.

02-07-2007, 04:24 AM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	If you're starting that early, I could maybe play... but I have a nasty habit of staying alive 'til the last days, so I'm not 100% sure... Maybe if you could count me in with a questionmark after my name? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-07-2007, 11:10 AM	#2
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	If it gets to that point, Thin, we could just kill you off. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

02-08-2007, 09:12 AM	#7
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I realize joining this game could prevent me from doing homework and going into work late, but I miss WW. I'd like to join in. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

02-08-2007, 10:36 AM	#9
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	I sort of agree with Roa, but limiting the list to a third of the village (that doesn't make sense story-wise) would keep the Hunter at a reasonable level. I say we try it out. (oh, I'm not playing in the game... oops.) __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

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02-07-2007, 11:35 AM	#3
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I can't resist. I'm in. So will we be taking on pr0n-star roles in this one...?

02-08-2007, 03:56 AM	#4
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	More info on the hunter role I always wondered why this role is called the hunter. I mean, he doesn't hunt anything, does he? It's really just a villager who knows how to defend himself. Anyway. The common hunter chooses one villager each day and night, and if the hunter is killed or lynched, he takes this person with him, be the one guilty or not. On days, this is not a problem, as even the ones who didn't vote him still stand nearby when he goes down, so the hunter can throw his poisoned javelin at a villager of his choice. At night it gets weird: The hunter is surprised in his bed by the wolves, then maybe runs away to kill another innocent in their bed, and then returns to be killed. This makes little sense. Therefore the logical hunter was invented, who, if the person of his choice is not a wolf, gets killed without a kill of his own. In the last game Nogrod strengthened the role of the hunter and gave him a list of his worst three suspects. I liked this a lot, but I think it makes the hunter almost unkillable for the wolves late in the game, when the hunter can note down almost the whole village. Here's what I thought of now: A) At day, the hunter gives me an ordered list of differing size. If the hunter gets killed I check whether there is a werewolf on the list, and the one who is highest on the list gets killed. If there is no werewolf, the innocent at the top of the list is killed. B) At night, it's the same, only that if there is no werewolf suspected by the hunter, nobody gets hurt (except the hunter himself, of course). C) The size of the list is at most three, but also at most the size of one third of the village (rounded down). This means, when there are 9 or more villagers, the hunter may note three of them, when there are 8 to 6, it's two, when there are only 5 or less left, it's only one. I hope I explained it in a way that is comprehensible. Your thoughts? Makes sense or doesn't? Too strong or too weak?

02-08-2007, 10:43 AM	#10
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Well, at the threshold of death, he can see things as they really are. You definitely have a point here. I will rethink this. Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration.