WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Celuien]

Well, I must say that I don't actually remember Nogrod's version of the hunter. I may have to find one of the lorebooks on suggested werewolf hunting methods.

But not just now. Even an Innkeeper must rest now and then. I'll return in a few hours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I shall join the rest and be idle for some hours, but only to return later.

For now I shall write Mormegil's vote for me off as a meer ploy to get the suspicions/votes flying, which could be for better or worse one never knows.

With the retractable vote he could always turn up and change his vote, but now I am just pointing out the obviouse. . . .better leave then.

[Boromir88]

Lot's of talking, I'd say this is good for us...all the more chance for wolves to get caught. I detest quiet villages. So Morm why are you trying to stop the talk?

EDIT: Cross-posted with Boro. You're not a "feeling" guy- unless your style has drastically changed since I last played with you.

True, but actually most of my Day 1 stuff is based upon feeling. If someone sounds reasonable I don't have a real reason to vote for them on Day 1. I try to eliminate as many possiblities on Day 1 as possible; and I'm not going to vote for someone who I find particularly helpful on Day 1.


About the hunter, if we happen to have a good hunter, that is a a decent judge and can get a bit luck he/she can be a great asset to the village. With that being said, the hunter can also greatly hurt the village if their choice is wrong. It's a risk I'm willing to take, I'd take hunter over no-hunter anyday.

[Boromir88]

Oh and another good thing about the hunter, if the wolves have a good clue who the hunter is, yet think the hunter is on to one of them, they will actually refrain from killing the hunter to save their own skin.

[Gil-Galad]

sorry to bring my dear boromir88 to the front... but he was the first one too launch the allegations onto celuien... that could be a devious ploy, for if the wolf starts it off, then there is a chance more will fly and totally ignore the first one of boromir, sorry put i must throw this lovely pie of lynching in your face, ta ta


++Boromir88

[Anguirel]

Gil-Galad is, I suppose, right to see Boro's attack on Celuien as perhaps the central oddity this day has so far produced.

It's plain weird. Who makes so much of in-character bonhomie? Not usually a wolf, I must say; I'm inclined to think both innkeeper and jester looking fairly innocent. If they were both wolves, I think they'd be too subtle to emphasise conflict at such an early stage.

This is going to be a game of real detective work, with Night and Day filled with tortuous deduction, but I think the three Rangers may well earn their swords - I've seen great things accomplished by a single Ranger before.

I agree that we should not dwell particularly on the results of the gallup. They're intriguing and flattering, but not that useful...

[Kath]

Well, I must say that I don't actually remember Nogrod's version of the hunter.

Agreed ... any ideas on where one might go to find out about that? Or is it time for trawling through lorebooks?

So we're supposed not to rely on past suspicions. Very well. Boro, Eomer and morm are all innocent! That probably goes for Lommy, Volo and Roa too. And Rune and Gil. 'Course since I've listed half the village there at least one is bound to be innocent.

Does anyone have ideas on what exact use the questionnaire has? I know NoggieMod said he'd used it less than he first thought but I assume the people he pointed out in the narration had the most 'votes' within the questionnaires and he did say the narration held clues.

I have to go create some beautiful cloths (aka go to class), back before too long.

[Macalaure]

Reading what has been written so far, here are the ones I find suspicious:

1. Rune

Posts a lot, which is good, but says little, which is bad. Nogrod said he will hide hints towards the roles in the narration and won't try to lead the village astray, yet Rune said the part about the stronger wolf might just be a distraction. His answer to Firefoot irks me, too.

2. Celuien

The same. She's always nice, but she seems extra-nice toDay. Also, she spends a lot of time talking about the hunter, but little else.

Goodies so far: Firefoot, Rikae, Boromir88, Roa_Aoife.

Of course, this does not mean much right now.

Something else: I don't think discussing the stronger wolf or the one with the golden dagger will benefit us much. The hunter-or-whatever is on our side, and that is all we really need to know. Let the wolves try to figure him out alone. Like Roa said, for us, one wolf is as good as the other. There's no way we could distinguish one from the other anyway. Before they're dead, I mean.

Let's hunt some wolf, I say!

[Lalwendë]

Boro, I'm not quiet on purpose, I've been asleep! I do hope we're not going to get into the quiet/loud thing so early! Or are we doing it because we have nowt to go on? Hmmm...

However, Ang and Gil-galad are very clever to pick up on Boro's quite vocal early suspicions of Celuien. Now I just can't quite decide whether this means they are correct and have pinpointed Boro as a wolf trying strong diversionary tactics, or whether Boro is right and Celuien is indeed a Wolf. Or if in fact this is a clever triple bluff and Anguirel and Gil-galad are both Wolves!

Rune's advice is good. Trust nobody apart from yourself! But then I do get strong feelings in this game - as I noticed last time I played and maybe over-analysing is not the way to go and gut feeling is better; had I trusted mine last time I'd have got the Wolf.

Now I'm going to go and hit a few folk with my inflated pig's bladder and see if they squeal or...whimper like dogs...

[Firefoot]

I do have to vote early today, but after this I should be voting closer to the deadline.

The two main people to have really caught my eye Gil-Galad are Boromir.

Gil-Galad - His whole first post is basically centered around the idea that he's saying something that people might find suspicious. He seems very preoccupied with that idea.

Boromir - I think he was too soon to assert the innocence/guilt of some people. It seems almost set up.

I'd like to go look a little more, but I really have to go.

++Boromir

[Lalwendë]

Lommy's point that Eomer may be trying to go for some humour is a good one and I am inclined to agree with it. So it's time to revise some of my views.

I don't agree with Firefoot that Boro set something up early. I think he was merely posting early on as he was up and not in his bed getting his beauty sleep; note he is not posting now as he will probably be busy brushing his teeth and getting ready for work. So I'm inclined not to go with this theory of Boro's guilt.

Which brings me back to Anguirel and Gil-galad and the 'triple bluff theory' I brought up earlier today. It was Anguirel who latched on to this after Gil-galad brought it up; of course this could be Ang double-bluffing, but if he really was an innocent taken along by Gil-galad's triple logic then this would further bolster that approach. I'll bet Gil-galad's quite pleased about that if he is guilty. So he is currently my Number One suspect.

[Celuien]

++ Naria

Mostly to try to stir up the quiet part of the village, and because I really don't like the idea of voting for anyone in the current field of vote receivers.

I'll try to return near the deadline for reevaluation, but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to.

[Anguirel]

Okay. I didn't really suspect anyone until the arrival of Volo.

Volo's behaviour ticks practically every wolf signal I know, and I will explain why. However, I'm still not sold on voting for him. Would it be a futile attempt to correct the errors of my last village? Am I just pursuing a feud? Nevertheless, he is suspicious because:

He's boldly explicit about his views on the special roles; a tactic which might look too risky for a wolf, though it isn't actually that dangerous.

He says he'll vote for a "random person, probably Durelin". A glaring contradiction, no? He's given up on theorising and started pursuing a grudge victim. The problem is, if I voted for him I might be guilty of the same crime. He cites morm as a precedent to authenticate his current course. This is what a wolf might very well do.

His shocked reaction to Boro's plight looks overdone. He also repeats his old saw about certain players being "left to the Seer" - which he last said as a Werewolf. There's no Seer now, Volo, so that comment is, at best, irrelevant and distracting.

Oh, and the "better vote me". Standard martyring.

It all fits. Perhaps a little too much so. It might still be good intentions mixed with uncertainty and a vague yen for revenge.

[Volo]

I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious.

He has been moderately nice, which is strange and there is something that makes me suspect him badly.

Anguirel's last post feels hairy. He is too calm and even if he doesn't vote Boromir, Boromir's half dead already.


Don't forget the fourth evil character! What could it be?
And are all the three Rangers alike?


EDIT: X:d with Ang, so "Anguirel's last post feels hairy." is the post #63.

[Mithalwen]

Well you have given me a lot to read .... and already I gather you want to kill Boro .... well I haven't read more than a couple of posts yet but my ancestors lived in villages with his ancestors and lynching him day one turned out to be a bad move... of course maybe third time pays for all but lets not be hasty...

I will go and catch up....... And we have a Seer? I thought the hints were Shirriffsa and Hunter .. but ... *stops* might be a good idea to read before I talk... (not that that stops me usually)

[Boromir88]

What's really strange is that I find all 3 who voted for me to be actually innocent, or I can't see any good reason to vote for one of them.

While those now defending me...Rikae, Celuien, Mac, Lal, Ang, and Volo (at least I take all their posts about me as a defense) to be a pretty large list, so large it's wolvish.

Of that list, I'm right now inclined to believe Rikae and Ang as innocent.

Rikae, believe me when I say this or not, doesn't matter...but most of my Day 1 stuff is based off of feeling, just like everyone else's. I don't have some secret formula put together to deduce who the wolves are.

It's a little odd Ang is now defending me, after all these times of wanting to kill me. But that's no reason for me to vote for him, even on Day 1.

Mac I'm unsure about, he did say a very wise thing that we should all take into consideration:

Don't give him your vote so lightly!

And don't give anyone you vote so lightly! For today, Mac most likely won't be getting my vote.

Lal, Volo, and Celuien are the one's who kind of strike me as being suspicious of those who have defended.
Volo because of this:

Better vote me on Day1, I bet Boromir88 is potentially more useful.
It's sad that he can't be left for the Seer..

I aint no saint...see me last village? I was completely and utterly destroyed. I'm not too fond of the last statement about the Seer either. A seer would be nice, but I actually kind of like it...we have plenty of weapons at our disposle to help us fight off the wolves (at night), but mind you what mac said...watch who the heck you vote for! You have these weapons don't waste them.

Anyway, though we have these weapons, it's up to us to actually find the wolves, there's no more relying one the Seer to do our work for us. We have weapons, let's be cautious...but we have to do our own work now.

Lal's response which I remarked before doesn't strike me the right way, but other than that she comes off as helpful and logical. Another odd thing is this:

However...I note that four of us have yet to comment: Naria, Volo, Farael and Mithalwen.

I don't know about Naria or Farael, but you should well know Mith is in your same timeframe. I don't like that comment. Don't think I can vote for her, but don't take that as I'm going to ignore you Miss Lal.

Celuien, I just got a bad feeling about, ok so stone me.

Edit x-posted with Ang, Volo, and Mith

[Farael]

Alright, I have to say that, after several WW games, I have tried every playing style I could think of.

At first I was a suicide, like our very own Nilp.

Then I went with my gut feeling.

Then I tried using cold logic.

The only one that worked was my gut feeling... and this time, I've got a feeling for someone.

Now, I'm aware this will probably make me very unpopular, but there is something about Loomy that just doesn't sit right. Her little banter about the sheep, for example, was utter nonsense when the village had moved on from nonsensical posts already. That's always a red flag on my mind, if you don't make it by the start of the day when everyone is playing around, you don't usually post nonsense when there are actually things to comment on.

Then she spends some time bantering about the secret roles... I say, we have no way of knowing what those roles are for sure... and any guess is as good as any other right now... so what's the point of going in circles sayin g"oh, I think the roles are such and such" "oh, I agree" "no, I disagree" "well, I disagree with both of you"

To me this is screaming "HERE IS A WOLF TRYING TO SOUND HELPFUL WHILE ADDING VERY LITTLE!!"

She does clarify what Nogrod's hunter is like. Thanks.

We move on to her next post.

She agrees with Firefoot's comment on "do not trust anyone". That's clearly a wolfish ploy. While I don't propose "trust just about everyone", at some point you need to draw a line. Do your best to make your own theories and find your own suspects, but if we start suspecting "This person may be a wolf because I trust them too much" then we are done for. Odds are, if someone is making A LOT of sense, and there is no evidence at all that they are a wolf.... they will be innocent.

So again, another post that is not really helping the village.

She then talks about how the questionnaire is probably there to confuse us. True, but that still doesn't help us find a wolf.

Moving right along....

She makes a weak case on Durelin... not enough to vote for her, right? well, if we see the next post, wrong... she does vote for her, even though it doesn't even sound as if she was her prime suspect.

Then we go to the actual voting post, where as mentioned before, she votes for Durelin. She then sounds rather apoglectic, which is always a bad sign for me. If you believe someone is guilty (or guilty-er than the rest) then you should vote for them and pray for the best... if you think someone is innocent, then for crying out loud, don't vote for them!!!! No, no, there is something definitely wrong with Loomy

Her last post is a clear example on "how to say nothing in a lot of words".

First she picks on a comment made by Lalwende somewhat against Morm and Eomer defends Morm right away. That's alright. Then she mentions Eomer and basically says "he might be doing something... or he might be doing the opposite".

Now, given that there are two realistic choices on what Eomer meant (either he trully agreed with Morm's statement or he agreed with his intention of getting some accusations rolling) she's basically saying nothing what so ever about Eomer.

Again, she's writing, seemingly contributing... but She is saying little or nothing that adds to the discussion.

Add on top of that a weakly reasoned vote that somewhat contradicts what she's said before (although it's hard to tell what she's said before since she says very little and what she does say she tries to downplay it ) and you've got yourself a wolfish looking Loomy

Therefore, I must say...

++Loomy.


on another note, I might not be able to come back before the end of the day... I have a busy day today with some studying to do and an interview. I THINK (key word, think) I'll be able to come back once or twice, but I can't make any promises.

Edit: X-ed with everything after Celuien's vote

[mormegil]

Admittedly I'm only to post 49 but while reading I has an epiphany of sorts. I don't believe there is a rule for the Rangers to protect themselves. They are by far the most important in this village. They can manage it so that they can protect each other each night and not protect the same person two nights in a row. At worst this will make it 4 villagers and 3 wolves at the end. If you think about it, most of us innocents really aren't invaluable, if any of us at all, ergo we can die at nights and be the night fodder while those left try to pick off wolves.

Wait...do the rangers know each other yet? I don't think they do...CRAP! That whole idea went up...well if you do end up knowing each other use this as it will help ensure victory. The biggest problem is you need three to pull if off.

Now to try and catch up a bit more.