Melkor is the saviour of mankind - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elmo · 01-25-2007, 01:46 PM

before this descends (ascends?) into a deep psychological conversation like a couple of my previous topics I'd like to point out I was serious about Melkor helping men just not serious about they should worship them

anyway I just a bit uncomfortable about the fact that men are doomed to suffer. If they go to paradise they suffer if they stay on middle earth they suffer they cannot win

mormegil · 01-25-2007, 02:33 PM

Do elves not suffer? Do dwarves no suffer? And hobbits? Don't all people of M-e or otherwise suffer? Even those not in M-e suffer.

Elmo · 01-25-2007, 02:35 PM

the elves in the undying lands don't suffer

mormegil · 01-25-2007, 02:42 PM

Such as the Teleri? How about the Vanyar on seeing their brethern leaving, did they not suffer at that? The problem is we don't know the fate of men after death. Is there a paradise for them? Will they stop 'suffering'?

Macalaure · 01-25-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hewhoarisesinmight

the elves in the undying lands don't suffer

What about Míriel.

Elmo · 01-25-2007, 03:08 PM

I was just thinking about Miriel

but there was something about Finwe being the only one short of bliss and I'm sure the gem strewn beaches of Eldamar are better then Middle Earth anyway

01-25-2007, 01:46 PM	#1
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	before this descends (ascends?) into a deep psychological conversation like a couple of my previous topics I'd like to point out I was serious about Melkor helping men just not serious about they should worship them anyway I just a bit uncomfortable about the fact that men are doomed to suffer. If they go to paradise they suffer if they stay on middle earth they suffer they cannot win __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

01-25-2007, 02:33 PM	#2
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Do elves not suffer? Do dwarves no suffer? And hobbits? Don't all people of M-e or otherwise suffer? Even those not in M-e suffer. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

01-25-2007, 02:35 PM	#3
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	the elves in the undying lands don't suffer __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

01-25-2007, 02:42 PM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Such as the Teleri? How about the Vanyar on seeing their brethern leaving, did they not suffer at that? The problem is we don't know the fate of men after death. Is there a paradise for them? Will they stop 'suffering'? __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

01-25-2007, 03:08 PM	#6
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	I was just thinking about Miriel but there was something about Finwe being the only one short of bliss and I'm sure the gem strewn beaches of Eldamar are better then Middle Earth anyway __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

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