WW XXIIX - Queer Lodgings

[Meneltarmacil]

Boromir88, while I do understand why keeping things a secret from the wolves is a good thing, it also creates its own problems. For instance:
-There's no reason to trust what you're saying if no explanation is given.
-Making such a claim could be seen as a good way for a wolf to avoid giving an explanation if there's no good explanation to give.
-If the wolves kill you overnight, your secrets die with you.

I'm really not convinced you're a wolf. However, I do not entirely trust you either.

Also, Kitanna appears a little wolfish to me, with her jumping on Boromir88's suggestion that Rune, Nogrod, and Farael were wolves. B88's suggestion clearly appears to be a typical Day One joke, and doesn't really appear that suspicious to me regardless of whether he's a wolf. I'll most likely vote about an hour or so before the deadline so I can see if anything else develops later on.

[Durelin]

Alrighty...unfortunately I must vote already.

So...going with all I got...

With the little amount of activity there's been, a Wolf has no reason to post much at all, and thus risk drawing attention to themselves. Now, while I find it unlikely that all three wolves would go with this, I think there might be two wolves among those who have barely been noticed and those who have not been around at all.

Possibly.

Maybe.

Both Rune and Kath have posted, but just once, and have drawn extremely little attention to themselves (not that anyone's drawn an extraordinary amount of attention). But they've still done enough (well, simply posted) to not get on the "has yet to post list" that some people tend to have their eyes on. For Kath, this is normal. So for now, I'm not going to even vote for her.

That leaves me with Runi.

++RUNE

Oh, and I know I've contributed...nothing. Sorry, feeling particularly lazy.

[Meneltarmacil]

Yes, Durelin/Ori, it does seem unusually quiet around here. This is the perfect environment for a wolf. They can just relax here and forget about everyone else's troubles the way I would if I hadn't been forced out of my comfortable home on this adventure...

Silence is not going to help us much. While a loud wolf may be a more dangerous foe than a quiet one, the less experienced ones may slip up if forced to speak or may be revealed by their quietness. In any case, talking more should allow us to better see what the everyone is up to and hopefully force some of the wolves out of hiding.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Silence is not going to help us much. While a loud wolf may be a more dangerous foe than a quiet one, the less experienced ones may slip up if forced to speak or may be revealed by their quietness. In any case, talking more should allow us to better see what the everyone is up to and hopefully force some of the wolves out of hiding.

You know, after my forefather (Aule? After all, he was a man of craft... perhaps he did shoes too!!) devised a crazy plan to keep the attention away from his cursed friends (namely, I was the cobbler and I started being loud about my plan to draw attention away from constructive discussion) I realized that there was some merit to my theory.

I'll propose it again now, but I promise not to push it beyond reason

Today is Day 1, we have very little to go on. Tomorrow we are not likely to have a whole lot more. On Day 3 we might have some voting record, but then we might not. Since right now the numbers are in our (the innocents) favour, why don't we rid ourselves of those that do not add to the discussion?

Unless we get a sudden breakthrough I strongly recommend that we lynch someone who was posted
1) Little, without much insight.
2) An larger amount of posts, and yet added nothing to the discussion.

These characters always become a liability by the end of the game since we all suspect them but we don't have enough evidence to lynch them, and we are reticent to lynch someone without enough "evidence". Right now we can afford a few bad lynches, and why not? After all, it is up to each of us to decide what "silent" means and also what a "breakthrough" or "evidence" might be, so it'll still leave a voting record.

Please note that, unlike my evil, cobbler former self, I'm not saying "lynch the quiet ones" but "lynch those that add nothing to the discussion". It so happens that most times they post little as well, for posting a lot of nonsense is bound to get them lynched.

I'd say it's up to each of you to decide whether this idea has merit or not, I will probably follow this theory and I hope my logic will earn me at least a few supporters (so that we can actually see whether it works or not) but I advise against discussing this at length since it'll take away from the actual discussion and wolf-hunting. Unlike last time, I do not want that to happen right now.

As for what has been said before, I can gleam nothing of importance other than some "gut" feelings about the players. Gut can be helpful (if you've played with me before you know that I tend to go by it a whole lot) but I see no point in discussing "this guy feels right, this guy does not".

What I will say, and perhaps I'm playing right into his hand since he has suspected me, is that Anguirel is a prime example of someone posting often but saying little. I think we've all have tried some measure of reasoning, but he has just kept on jesting for the most part.

[Naria]

Aye, I do remember that Durin. T'was very good cobblering indeed, although I wouldn't go around raving about your moccasins...tacky to say the least

I somehow find myself agreeing with your plan this time. Why? I haven't quite figured that out yet. What I also haven't figured out is why you are asking us to believe you. I have a sneaking suspicion that you may be playing the other hand in this village. Force an opinion on the poor villagers in the last and quietly and calmly not force this opinion onto this village(oy, if that made any sense at all). Looking very helpful indeed, while at the same time asking to lynch the ones that aren't as much. I dunno It seems to me like you are doing pretty much the same thing as you did whence you made shoes, only this time it's cleaner and all nice and stuff. You may just be good trying to help, but I got bad vibes from your last post.

KILL NILP!!! he will thank you for it anyway.

Teehee...comical as this is, I think that we should at least let him poke his pretty face(for a dwarf) in and wait and see what our dear Bifur has to say

[Naria]

The little dwarf walks back into the Great Lodge wringing her hands on her sparse beard. "Ehhm, hello?" An echo could be heard ricocheting off of the walls. Fili found a bench nearest to her and quietly sat down and waited to see if someone would answer.

[Boromir88]

Oh boy, Kitanna's post is just screaming wolf into my mind. It just doesn't make sense here...either she's a confused innocent that doesn't know what to do, or she's made a fatal wolf error.

Post #40 here is what I'm looking at...and I just think it screams out wolf. Let's look at some things here...

I hate random votes and I now whatever vote I cast now will most likely be seen as a "safe vote",

Ok fair enough...it could be an innocent genuinely worried about her vote, or it could be a wolf trying to cover her tracks and get an excuse for the next day.

Now after this 'random vote' talk, confuses me and gets me highly suspicious:

I'm uneasy of Dori88, but not enough to vote for him.

I found his post about being sure of Spawn and Farael's innocence unsettling, but with his latest post my mind is slightly (and I do mean slightly) eased when it comes to him. At least for now.

So after talking about her hatred for casting random votes she starts talking a bit of suspicion up about me. I make her uneasy, yet not enough to vote...and that my post naming Spawn and Farael innocent made her uneasy...now my last post before made her slightly feel better (and she stresses slightly). Now what's confusing about this is then she makes her totally random vote for Naria.

She agreed with me before about the 'non-dwarves.' Then seemingly I'm the only one that makes her suspicious? But even more suspicious is she doesn't follow up with a vote for me? She kind of shoves suspicion at me then makes it all better at the end by saying my last post 'slightly relieved her uneasiness' I'm going to be frank and say this, if you find someone suspicious/unsettling; vote for them! Because this here just screams wolf to me...and perhaps this will explain it better. See if an innocent found me to be the only suspicious one on Day 1, I would expect that person to vote for me...since there's nothing concrete to go off of. But Kitanna's post just doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you break it down.

At first she says she's frustrated because she hates having to make random votes.
Then she starts announcing some fairly strong accusations about me...she goes on to make points as to why I make her uneasy.
Then she absolves it all by saying my last post slightly eased the suspicion
And proceeds to cast a completely random vote.

Pretty much she said all in that same post...she has no 'real suspects' then she goes on to point suspicion at me! Then she backs away to cast a random vote. I believe, if Kitanna was innocent I would expect an innocent to go with whatever suspicion they have (as slight or insignificant as it may be...it's still better than randomness). Instead it seems like Kitanna attempted to make some crafty wolf move of telling us her vote was completely random; yet she did find me suspicious and points that out quite clearly.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Farael

Since right now the numbers are in our (the innocents) favour, why don't we rid ourselves of those that do not add to the discussion?

Unless we get a sudden breakthrough I strongly recommend that we lynch someone who was posted
1) Little, without much insight.
2) An larger amount of posts, and yet added nothing to the discussion.

Fool me once
shame on you.
Fool me twice
shame on me.

I shall go out on a limb and say that I still agree with the reasoning behind this plan but it's the execution of the plan that is worrisome. How would it be orchestrated? Who would we trust to orchestrate it? There is the guidelines but how many lynch suspects in a day-too few and it's easy for a wolf to follow suit, too many and it's easy for a wolf to hide. I know that Farael seems to want to do it early on but I say to wait a few DAYS and see who starts garnering suspicions of not really being here. Any way, that's all I have to say about the plan.

I've glossed through quickly to catch up but will have to go back and check things out more thoroughly.

[Anguirel]

I'm somewhat ashamed to say that I am here, but pre-occupied and feeling a bit left out. If I feel I have not taken the skeins of suspicion properly on board, I will probably vote for Durin for trivial reasons as I intimated before.

It is unusual, and perhaps a sign of all our grizzled Werewolf experience, for Gloanna to be highlighted as a suspect this early; as a wolf she usually evades trouble. I wonder if that's a sign we are operating on a mistaken basis?

Our host hasn't yet talked much, but I'm sure that'll change soon enough...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will have to go with Farael. . .

His plan, that I actually do have some sympathy for lacs some detail to make thing clear for me. It seems that he would like us to vote for people who plays in a certain way all the time, but that would be like telling the wolves where to hide. . .This could only work if the wolves naturaly messed up when having to speak up, but we have several tales of that not happening.

I think it is a good thing to vote by those merrits once in a while, but to make it an official plan, that we by the way is not allowed to talk about, seems silly.

and to be honest, I do think that by his own standarts Durin qualifies as a lynch candidate. . .voicing the same theory as his forfathers did (and not really anything else) Is not really contributing with anything new. . it is just Durin being Durin.

Another thing is that I do not want to spread the votes too much more and as it seems that Thorin will be voting Durelin. . .

now for the silly reasons:
1. His comment about Nilp annoyed me. . . . mostly because I took it as semi-seriouse.
2. He claims to have developed a sertain cobbler theory, but from what I have read it seems pretty much like the one TORE used.

++FARAEL

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

After rereading everything, I'm not sure what my stance is toward Glóanna because she's been like a textbook case about how wolves used to act, but I can't help thinking that at this point, a wolf should know better than to repeat all the ordinarily wolvish maneuvers.

I figured out, though, what was bugging me with Thorin, and perhaps even more with Eomi. Well, to some extend with Kathin, too. It's the odd phenomenon when people whom I know to be really smart seem to be dumbing down themselves. For example, I don't believe for one second that checking the admin thread for missing information or figuring out the twisted names would have been an impossible task for anyone here, but such behaviour makes it easier for wolves to approach other people and get into discussion.

I do realise, though, that I've spent way too much time on this toDay, and I've voiced suspicions of some sort of pretty much everyone now. I'll come back to vote when I feel less paranoid.


edit: Cross-posted with everyone since #66.