Most Tragic Moment? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalaith · 12-17-2006, 12:20 PM

A quiet Oxford don called Dodgson pre-empted Wittgenstein by several decades, you know...

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

As for most tragic moment....the fate of Hurin - who in some versions of the Narn, dies while still in despair. I find that almost unbearable.

Boromir_bg · 01-02-2007, 01:31 AM

Definately the death of Boromir.

Amras Oronar · 01-02-2007, 05:52 AM

In the movie the death of Boromir is indeed one a very very tragic moment, perhaps the most tragic I ever seen in a movie (I don't often see tragic movies

). Yet I didn't experience it like that while reading the book.

I think the story of Túrin is the most tragic story Tolkien ever wrote, and the most tragic moment in it is probaly when Glaurung dies and the spell is destroyed, and Túrin and his sister discover they are married to eachother, which ultimately leeds to the suicide of Túrin..

Boromir_bg · 01-02-2007, 08:48 AM

Yeah,you're probably right.I didn't feel sad when the Uruk-Hais killed in the book.Maybe I felt sad about Boromir in the movie because Sean Bean is one of my favorite actors after "Sharp's rifles".

The Might · 01-02-2007, 10:32 AM

I always thought that Turin had the most tragic fate in the books...I always found it sad how his life ended and the irony of fate...master of doom by doom mastered indeed

in the films, I always found Haldir's death the most tragic moment, with him looking at all the other dead Elves before he died

Tuor in Gondolin · 01-02-2007, 10:50 AM

I don't have "Letters" with me at the moment, but I think
Tolkien concurs that perhaps the most tragic moment in
LOTR (at least) is when Gollum almost repents but is
dissuaded by Sam's (granted well-meaning) intervention.

Amras Oronar · 01-02-2007, 12:33 PM

Yes the gollum story is very tragic indeed, Frodo finally get's a bit of hope, but then by a misunderstanding Gollum turns all evil again and everything almost fails, I also pitie Frodo soooo much in the bit where he doesn't realize Gollum is against him and trying to get rid of Sam...

12-17-2006, 12:20 PM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	A quiet Oxford don called Dodgson pre-empted Wittgenstein by several decades, you know... `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.' As for most tragic moment....the fate of Hurin - who in some versions of the Narn, dies while still in despair. I find that almost unbearable. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-02-2007, 01:31 AM	#2
Boromir_bg Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16	Definately the death of Boromir. __________________ The Pride of Gondor!

01-02-2007, 08:48 AM	#4
Boromir_bg Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16	Yeah,you're probably right.I didn't feel sad when the Uruk-Hais killed in the book.Maybe I felt sad about Boromir in the movie because Sean Bean is one of my favorite actors after "Sharp's rifles". __________________ The Pride of Gondor!

01-02-2007, 10:32 AM	#5
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I always thought that Turin had the most tragic fate in the books...I always found it sad how his life ended and the irony of fate...master of doom by doom mastered indeed in the films, I always found Haldir's death the most tragic moment, with him looking at all the other dead Elves before he died __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-02-2007, 10:50 AM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	I don't have "Letters" with me at the moment, but I think Tolkien concurs that perhaps the most tragic moment in LOTR (at least) is when Gollum almost repents but is dissuaded by Sam's (granted well-meaning) intervention. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

01-02-2007, 05:52 AM	#3
Amras Oronar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Zoetermeer Posts: 29	In the movie the death of Boromir is indeed one a very very tragic moment, perhaps the most tragic I ever seen in a movie (I don't often see tragic movies ). Yet I didn't experience it like that while reading the book. I think the story of Túrin is the most tragic story Tolkien ever wrote, and the most tragic moment in it is probaly when Glaurung dies and the spell is destroyed, and Túrin and his sister discover they are married to eachother, which ultimately leeds to the suicide of Túrin..

01-02-2007, 12:33 PM	#7
Amras Oronar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Zoetermeer Posts: 29	Yes the gollum story is very tragic indeed, Frodo finally get's a bit of hope, but then by a misunderstanding Gollum turns all evil again and everything almost fails, I also pitie Frodo soooo much in the bit where he doesn't realize Gollum is against him and trying to get rid of Sam...

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