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littlemanpoet · 12-07-2006, 09:38 PM

Apparently the reason for the WWJ thread has changed over time, from what you described, Firefoot, to a sort of a "novices'" game. But that's not exactly accurate either. I think it's really where the mod prefers to launch his/her game from. (shrugs) Now that WWJ exists, I don't think we're going to have much success in convincing folks to use this place unless there's enough interest for two games at once, unless the moderators temporarily want to close WWJ; but I doubt they deem it all that important.

mormegil · 12-07-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I don't think we're going to have much success in convincing folks to use this place unless there's enough interest for two games at once, unless the moderators temporarily want to close WWJ; but I doubt they deem it all that important.

Oh, I don't know, I've been considering it now for a while and may do a bit of restructuting with WW and WWJ. I don't know if I'm satisfied with the current 'list' of mods in waiting. It seems that mods are never ready when their turn is up and then there is the shuffle everytime. I'm thinking of redoing that and closing WWJ as it has become apparant that there is still a good amount of interest in the games but not enough to host to game simultaneously. I've been mulling this over and will probably continue to for a bit but a decision will be made sooner or later.

Nogrod · 12-08-2006, 03:34 AM

It might be a good decision to move all the games here, to a single thread. It would be clearer and simpler. The modding lists just would have to be synchronised with justice. That is, unless Morm comes up with something completely dfferent that works.

Folwren · 12-08-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

Oh, I don't know, I've been considering it now for a while and may do a bit of restructuting with WW and WWJ. I don't know if I'm satisfied with the current 'list' of mods in waiting. It seems that mods are never ready when their turn is up and then there is the shuffle everytime.

Oh! Oh! Oh! I will be ready when it's my turn, I promise!

How do you think you'd re-do it, if you did re-do it?

-- Folwren

mormegil · 12-08-2006, 12:32 PM

Well, I was thinking of possibly doing away with the waiting list entirely though I'm not sure if that is the best solution. I know that this is how it was done in the early stages. Another idea I had is if there is a list it will be maintained by me and if it's your turn and you cannot do it within a specified amount of time you will be put to the end of the list.

Another thing I'd like to see is that when you are a moderator you do need to be committed to your game. I think that a large majority of them are and have been but it is incredibly frustrating from player stand point when you have a mod that is not committed and doesn't give everything needed for a great game.

What are some other ideas out there? I think I will be closing WWJ thread for a while and will attempt to be as judicious in the modding list as possible. I hope to not step on toes so I will probably be PMing those in the que before a decision is made.

Durelin · 12-08-2006, 03:29 PM

As much as I think organization is important, I think perhaps it should be remembered that this is supposed to be a fun, laid back sort of game.

Of course it's nice when mods are "committed," but they can be plenty committed and just not have enough time to be as committed as some might like them to be.

WW has already strayed from its original feel: that is, a enjoyable game. If there is an over-abundance of rules and regs, I think it will take it away from that even further. And I think what made it especially fun is how much it's organized by the forum members who like the game as a whole.

I understand your moderator duties fall on this, mormegil, and I think you've been doing a great job, but I also know that you enjoy WW as a player...and I want to be able to keep enjoying it, along with everyone else who just want to have some (intelligent, but still silly enough) fun.

As for WWJ, I understand the concern there. But perhaps those responsible for initiating WWJ and keeping it going would like to shut it down themselves, or perhaps simply put it on hold? I think it's very likely they will see that it is no longer exactly needed. Interest and activity fluctuates, so perhaps it will have more of a need again in the future.

And if we do keep a mod list, in whatever form, perhaps those "lined up" for WWJ games should be moved to as equivalent a place on the WW mod list as possible.

Just my suggestions and opinions...

Kuruharan · 12-08-2006, 05:15 PM

It's not much fun if everyone is scrambling around trying to figure out what is going on and nothing is actually happening. Although I agree that occasionally in the past there has been a certain amount of taking the game too seriously.

On the mod list front: how about having a list where only two there are, no more, no less. That way we'd at least have some idea of who is coming up to mod but it would be (hopefully) close enough to the putative mod's game that they will know for sure if they can perform.

Durelin · 12-08-2006, 05:31 PM

I haven't noticed a lot of scrambling around, personally. But I haven't exactly always been keeping up with WW very closely.

Right now we have an issue of not enough players (which I think has been the only real issue: in particular, coordination of two games with a more limited number of players than in the past); that's the only reason nothing is happening right now. If everyone would like me to go ahead and get on with my game, I can start sign up right away. I've been waiting because the previous WWJ game ended before the previous WW game. I guessed it would be a small game, and it is turning out that way, so it won't last very long once it gets going.

I continue to have a feeling that things will sort themselves out.

It might be time for WWJ to retire, though.

And as for a shorter mod-list - I think that seems like a good idea, though I do think even a lengthy mod list has been handled well. When people simply can't do it, or aren't around, people have tended to just move on to the next person. And it's not always bad for their to be a week or so in between each game, especially when not everyone is as enthusiastic about playing as they were *back in the day*.

(Sorry, it's just my personality tends to be "if it's not broken, don't fix it"...and I don't see things as really "broken.")

12-08-2006, 03:34 AM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	It might be a good decision to move all the games here, to a single thread. It would be clearer and simpler. The modding lists just would have to be synchronised with justice. That is, unless Morm comes up with something completely dfferent that works. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-08-2006, 12:32 PM	#5
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Well, I was thinking of possibly doing away with the waiting list entirely though I'm not sure if that is the best solution. I know that this is how it was done in the early stages. Another idea I had is if there is a list it will be maintained by me and if it's your turn and you cannot do it within a specified amount of time you will be put to the end of the list. Another thing I'd like to see is that when you are a moderator you do need to be committed to your game. I think that a large majority of them are and have been but it is incredibly frustrating from player stand point when you have a mod that is not committed and doesn't give everything needed for a great game. What are some other ideas out there? I think I will be closing WWJ thread for a while and will attempt to be as judicious in the modding list as possible. I hope to not step on toes so I will probably be PMing those in the que before a decision is made. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-08-2006, 05:15 PM	#7
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,594	It's not much fun if everyone is scrambling around trying to figure out what is going on and nothing is actually happening. Although I agree that occasionally in the past there has been a certain amount of taking the game too seriously. On the mod list front: how about having a list where only two there are, no more, no less. That way we'd at least have some idea of who is coming up to mod but it would be (hopefully) close enough to the putative mod's game that they will know for sure if they can perform. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

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12-07-2006, 09:38 PM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Apparently the reason for the WWJ thread has changed over time, from what you described, Firefoot, to a sort of a "novices'" game. But that's not exactly accurate either. I think it's really where the mod prefers to launch his/her game from. (shrugs) Now that WWJ exists, I don't think we're going to have much success in convincing folks to use this place unless there's enough interest for two games at once, unless the moderators temporarily want to close WWJ; but I doubt they deem it all that important.

12-08-2006, 03:29 PM	#6
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	As much as I think organization is important, I think perhaps it should be remembered that this is supposed to be a fun, laid back sort of game. Of course it's nice when mods are "committed," but they can be plenty committed and just not have enough time to be as committed as some might like them to be. WW has already strayed from its original feel: that is, a enjoyable game. If there is an over-abundance of rules and regs, I think it will take it away from that even further. And I think what made it especially fun is how much it's organized by the forum members who like the game as a whole. I understand your moderator duties fall on this, mormegil, and I think you've been doing a great job, but I also know that you enjoy WW as a player...and I want to be able to keep enjoying it, along with everyone else who just want to have some (intelligent, but still silly enough) fun. As for WWJ, I understand the concern there. But perhaps those responsible for initiating WWJ and keeping it going would like to shut it down themselves, or perhaps simply put it on hold? I think it's very likely they will see that it is no longer exactly needed. Interest and activity fluctuates, so perhaps it will have more of a need again in the future. And if we do keep a mod list, in whatever form, perhaps those "lined up" for WWJ games should be moved to as equivalent a place on the WW mod list as possible. Just my suggestions and opinions...

12-08-2006, 05:31 PM	#8
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I haven't noticed a lot of scrambling around, personally. But I haven't exactly always been keeping up with WW very closely. Right now we have an issue of not enough players (which I think has been the only real issue: in particular, coordination of two games with a more limited number of players than in the past); that's the only reason nothing is happening right now. If everyone would like me to go ahead and get on with my game, I can start sign up right away. I've been waiting because the previous WWJ game ended before the previous WW game. I guessed it would be a small game, and it is turning out that way, so it won't last very long once it gets going. I continue to have a feeling that things will sort themselves out. It might be time for WWJ to retire, though. And as for a shorter mod-list - I think that seems like a good idea, though I do think even a lengthy mod list has been handled well. When people simply can't do it, or aren't around, people have tended to just move on to the next person. And it's not always bad for their to be a week or so in between each game, especially when not everyone is as enthusiastic about playing as they were back in the day. (Sorry, it's just my personality tends to be "if it's not broken, don't fix it"...and I don't see things as really "broken.")