Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto - Planning and Discussion Thread

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mith

Boromir did ..and look what happened to the poor blighter ...

Yes, that's true. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to lose him on Day 1. He was supposed to be my WW-catching ally through the game.

Originally Posted by SPM

I really do believe that, unless Gifted and while a numerical advantage remains, an innocent should not be too concerned about being lynched - “in the cause”, as it were. Since there were no Gifteds in this game, I saw little reason to fight to survive until near to the end

Not I.

I hadn't WWed in quite a while and I won't be WWing for quite a while. I came off of my WW vacation for this game, because it was Fea and she had mentioned it months ago. So, I wanted to stick around for as long as possible so that I would get my money's worth, and I wanted to provide a lot of volume and excitement to make sure Fea got her money's worth.

Originally Posted by SPM

You, on the other hand, my dear phantom, naturally come across as the guilty type.

Yes, that is certainly true, but at the same time this is only my second lynching. That seems odd to me- that I am always eyed nervously and yet not lynched as much as some.

Here are the games, what I started as, and my votes (I think these are right, anyway).

WW 1 (ordo)- No votes in 3 days
WW 2 (WW)- 3 votes (all Day 1) in 4 days
WW 3 (ordo)- 12 votes in 3 days (my first lynch, revenge for WW 2 most likely)
WW 4 (Shirriff)- 2 votes (all Day 2) in 2 days, due to my "lynch a volunteer" plan
WW 9 (Seer)- 1 vote (from a WW) in 2 days
WW 10 (WW)- No votes in 5 days
WW 21 (ordo)- No votes in 2 days
WWJ 9 (ordo)- 1 vote (from the Cobbler) in 4 days
WW 26 (ordo)- 4 votes in 6 days (my second lynch)

So, I have 23 votes in 32 days. Not counting WW 3, I have 11 votes in 29 days. Not counting votes from evil-doers, 9 votes in 29 days.

I have had 22 voteless days. My 23 votes were gathered in 10 days. I have had 7 multi-vote days, resulting in 2 lynches.

So, it seems that I have had five days where I've taken a lot of heat and accumulated votes but wriggled out of being lynched. Also, in 5 games out of 9 I received no votes from innocents. Hmm... what sort of patterns exist? Do I attract more or less votes than most others?

Ah, I just noticed that the votes for me on Day 1 ruined a streak I had going- 13 days without a vote from an innocent or gifted.

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?

Go ahead! That looks as sane as everything that might have been done in this game.

But I would stick to Spm's and lmp's thoughts on rational arguments. With all of them you phantom should have been lynched and would I have been given one Day more, I would have tried my best to show your "cunning-evilness"... for no avail, as I now have learned (and which innocence I kind of trusted from the beginning, but was growing a bit wary of it all the time - I would surely had gone through every comma you made on the next Day had I been alive!).

So, as lmp said, it's easy to find well grounded suspicions on some games and on others one is totally at lost with them. I wholly agree with this. But Spm has a point too: you can make anyone look bad if you want to... So in the end it seems to depend on who you decide to look on - or who arises your attention? So again, loudmouths having to bear the grunt of analysing (which leads the analysed to look guilty if the analyser knows her/his job) while the quiet ones get by without notice?

Again voicing this one principle: open talking gets me wishing one to live and hiding in the shadows I only see working for the dark side...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Btw, I did consider trying to convince SPM and Mith to edit their posts and thus hand the game to me. What would you have thought had I proposed that, Mith and SPM? Would it have made me look more or less guilty?

Er - what do you think?

[the phantom]

Er - what do you think?

I don't think it's as simple as that. Or is it? I don't know.

Asking you to hand the game to me by means of the edit rule- that would've accomplished the same thing as getting one of you to vote for the other had I been a WW, right? So really, if it was at all possible that you would've voted for the other person, you might as well have just handed the game to me, right?

And surely the thought would've crossed your mind "Would a WW tp really want to win like this?"

And if your answer would've been "no", then maybe you would've gone along with it? But if the answer was "heck yeah, he'd love it", then you would've voted for me on the spot.

At least, that was the thought process that I was expecting to create had I gone through with it.

[The Saucepan Man]

As you are fond of pointing out, phantom, the only person that one can be sure is innocent, in the absence of any Gifteds, is oneself. Accordingly, given the situation prevailing on the final Day, I would never have agreed voluntarily to do something which would inevitably have resulted in my death.

I would certainly have considered whether a phantom Wolf would be so bold as to ask his fellow villagers effectively to commit suicide, and would almost certainly have concluded that it was a distinct possibility.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

About the edit thing: I thought it was an absolutely brilliant idea, cracked up laughing, knew nobody would ever go for it, but would have let it work because it was so audacious and you know how I love audacity.

[Mithalwen]

I think, that I am getting more and more glad that I voted to lynch the Phantom....

In the last days I was tempted to ask Fea to give me a Semele type death (she died having been exposed to Jupiter in his full glory )... I would have been overwhelmed by the sheer force of the Phantom's ego...

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

About the edit thing: I thought it was an absolutely brilliant idea, cracked up laughing, knew nobody would ever go for it, but would have let it work because it was so audacious and you know how I love audacity.

I liked the edit rule. It added a bit of spice to the game. If and when I mod, I think I'll use it. .... just to get on Diamond's nerves.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I would certainly have considered whether a phantom Wolf would be so bold as to ask his fellow villagers effectively to commit suicide, and would almost certainly have concluded that it was a distinct possibility.

Lawks! Suicide bombers in WW. I bet that hasn't been done before.

Oh, and Mith: perhaps the next WW phantom runs can be called "The Burning Bush".