WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by me

In this village, I'd rather hear all people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make.

I'm not sure if this can be understood, anyway, what I meant was "In this village, I'd rather hear all what people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make" or "In this village, I'd rather hear everything people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make".

[Nogrod]

Being in two games at the sametime (not intentional), sharing the computer with another WW-player (Lommy) and trying to live (RL) at the same time seems to be a challenge...

But this is what I have thought of in general terms.

Now looking at the way the wolves have made their picks would either tell us that a) they are utterly comfortable with their situation in the village
b) they were comfortable on Day1 but went after a possible seer Rune last Night.

Now a) would suggest that the wolves are among those who have not been seriously challenged so far. Making the list to look just too long for my taste... Lommy, Di, Valier, Volo would top that list of mine as those who have been suspected the least.

But that means not that those with some minor suspicions (Boro, Durelin, Farael) would not be wolves at all. If a) is true, I believe it would be a combination of the two groups.

If b) is true we should go for either Naria or CoD.

There surely are possibilities that transcend these two options but nevertheless as probably only one of them is a wolf - if either of them is.

What I would like to point out again, then.

As I said earlier it's funny to see that Durelin and Di built up the death of Anguirel (which I accept sealing). Durelin has been most vocal this time, really putting effort into being reasonable - as she has been. Possibly a special role of a wolf would do that? And Di is just so verbiose that you should never underestimate her skills either... I don't say there is something exact in their posts that would merit myself voting for them but the situation is more one of occasion. We seem to be so at loss with our possible suspects and they seem to be floating over all the hassle down here... I don't know.

Still I believe I'm not going to vote either of them toDay. I would need something more solid to it.

I might go for Naria too for reasons I will be posting in a minute. Just need to check the situation and to refresh my head with some thinking. I would love to bring a new believable wolf-candidate to the discussion but this looks pretty confusing.

What that means: the wolves are good ones.

[Nogrod]

My idea for voting Naria was based more on the way she had performed earlier on Day1. Now as I looked back to it I'm not so sure anymore.

Surely she posted some nonconsequentals and then trailed my idea about CoD by adding one more detail to it (CoD might be the cobbler - which turned out not so good idea in theory after a short while and was proven wrong in practise last Night). What made me look at it twice in the first place was the way she reacted around the village: posting some safe nonsense first and then trying to look reasonable by affirming a "theory" that had been brought forwards, staying quiet and in the shadows most of the time.

To this we still might add Lommy's theory about Rune being the wolves guess for Seer and Di's remarks on Naria actually not helping us at all (even though for a reason of being sick). It looks somewhat plausible, but something just tells me we are mislead again...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

So, if I was to guess who the remaining wolves are, I'd say Naria, Boro and CoD or Volo, but I'm far from assured.

I quite agree with your listing at this point. I wouldn't place too much of a bet on any of them, but if I had to.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy, Di, Valier, Volo would top that list of mine as those who have been suspected the least.

And I'd like to add you somewhere on that list.

Edit: Cross-posted with Nogrod's second post.

[Volo]

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them.
Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that.
And he goes on the quiet players when he himself congratulates the wolves and talks about them being of the vocal players.
Nogrod's talk is agreeing or not agreeing with other players, but not telling anything new as a good player should.
He has time to be in WW, but he hasn't so far made any good points, or then I can't see them.

I have already once made a mistake on Nogrod for those same reasons (and you can't imagine how embarrassed I felt when after two weeks of certainty of catching a wolf I found out that he was a ranger instead), but...

I'll stay with CoD and add that I'm innocent, an innocent that is willing to die for the good of you other innocents, just I can't see what use you will have of me dying...

(I am not proud to be alive so long or anything as for the lack of time and not enough experience (that I do get by playing WW, and living) I am just a filler, I'll have a break from WW for a few weeks after this game until I maybe have enough time to do anything so demanding as WW on the computer, ignore this in the game)

[CaptainofDespair]

I have coursework to do, so I shall vote now in the event I do not find the time to post again.

++Naria

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting last minute bad feelings. My wits tell me to vote Naria, but my gut-feeling is actually that she maybe isn't bad after all. Really confusing. But I guess I'll still vote her, since I am suspicious of her and don't have very strong suspicions about any other person. I just hope my last-minute gut-feeling is wrong...

Originally Posted by Volo

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them.

I disagree, take the "CoD tries to play the seer" for an example.

Originally Posted by Volo

Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that.

A good point, I haven't apparently focused on that.

Originally Posted by Volo

And he goes on the quiet players when he himself congratulates the wolves and talks about them being of the vocal players.

That sounds rather funny.

Originally Posted by Volo

. . . an innocent that is willing to die for the good of you other innocents, just I can't see what use you will have of me dying...

If you're innocent then the best thing you can do to us is to stay alive and discuss and make points about possible wolves, not die.

Originally Posted by Volo

(I am not proud to be alive so long or anything as for the lack of time and not enough experience (that I do get by playing WW, and living) I am just a filler, I'll have a break from WW for a few weeks after this game until I maybe have enough time to do anything so demanding as WW on the computer, ignore this in the game)

Now, what's that?

[Boromir88]

Durelin, while I haven't noticed Nogrod naming anyone else (which gets me wondering) I have. The main person being Farael whom I'm highly suspicious of.

For some others. Lommy worried me at the beginning of the day, but lately that's lessened quite a bit...especially because of this:

A horrible idea just occured to me: what if Noggie and Boro are two of our three remaining wolves?

May seem odd, but I'm not like CoD who just suspects anyone who goes after himself.

The other person that I'm growing more concerned about is Volo, who seemingly is all over the place. First he says Nogrod is too bold to be a wolf as he is coming out and establishing arguments against people. He believed a wolf would not do such a thing. (I disagreed, especially when we're talking about Nogrod). Now he's come out and said that there really is no point to Nogrod's posts.

You also ask why the wolves haven't killed so far the quiet ones like Naria or Volo. I think either:

1) Naria or Volo (or both are wolves) hence they have not been killed yet. This I think is more likely in Volo's case who is completely everywhere.

2) This I feel is more likely with Naria, she's an easy target for a lynch. Simply kill Rune to get people to think the wolves believed he was the seer and the people will cry Naria's a wolf...lynch her. Hence, why she hasn't been killed, as she hasn't been feeling well and presumably not be able to put up much of a defense. Which would benefit the wolves in two ways to keep her around. It would first create a crisis of uncertainty in the village. Do we think Naria's a wolf? Eventhough she's been under the weather, this doesn't mean she isn't a wolf, yet we feel bad if she turns out to be innocent. But do to the circumstances, we actually won't know until Naria is lynched. The other benefit again, an easy lynch candidate for the next day.

I would much rather see Farael lynched. However, if it comes down to it, I will vote for Naria to save CoD. CoD seems more valuable to have than Naria. Regrettably Naria is not feeling well, but because of this she isn't going to be much help and will remain a thorn in our side.

[Nogrod]

We seem to have all options open, happily. If I got it right, the voting stands now at:

Volo --> CoD (CoD1)
Di --> Naria (CoD1, Naria1)
CoD --> Naria (CoD1, Naria2)

I share the nervousness of voting Naria here as voiced by Lommy. We can afford only one bad decision. And we shouldn't make even that.

Originally Posted by Volo

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them.
Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that.

Maybe you should lead the way then and make the points? I think I have made as many points I could have. ToDay has been a bad one for this game as I have not been able to hang around here as much I would have liked to. That is a thing I don't like but can't change it either...

CoD has dropped in again with more than a troubling vote. He might be an innocent as well even if we all didn't share his overall attitrude to the game...

Farael's analysis of CoD and all he put into it was somewhat eyebrow-raising. I just can't say I agree with all his points or their ingenuinety. Maybe he's the wolf now (that might bite to Durelin also) and tries to look extra helpful by committing the effort to it?

Sorry, I seem to be in the darkness - and whether Volo likes it or not - I will still ask for you others for some opinions. We still have time (although myself and Lommy will share the computer and can't be online at the same time)

X'd with Boro

[Nogrod]

I would feel a bit more secure with voting Farael than Naria or CoD...

[Thinlómien]

I think Naria should die, because if she's a wolf (as my reason tells me), we've got one of them.
If she's an innocent, we still have one more chance to lynch a wolf and we won't be spending the day to speculating about her, which we have mostly done today.

Henceforth:

++Naria

[Boromir88]

7 people are yet to vote. I don't know who's here (except Lommy on Nogrod). I don't want a mass cross-posting cross-voting confusion. What do we want to do?

Farael I also feel more comfortable voting for instead of CoD or Naria, but we have to know what we're going to do, so we nor the wolves can botch anything here at the end.

Edit: x-posted with Lommy

[Valier]

Only a little time left now....What is everyone who hasn't voted thinking?

I am leaning towards CoD. I have had some suspicion of him the whole game. When I thought that Rune could be the seer and he said that CoD was innocent just because, I thought he must have dreamt of him and found him innocent. I was unsure if the Seer would see the Cobbler as an innocent or as the Cobbler. So I thought that there was still a chance that CoD was bad, just not a wolf....then when Rune turned out to be the Cobbler, it just put my thoughts right back to CoD being evil. With his behavior today after Rune's death it just kinda reaffirms my suspicions. He seems agitated and a bit testy. For example...

Originally Posted by CoD

So unless you come up with actual proof I'm a wolf, it's all just about how you feel that's at the core of the matter. And that is how my voting goes. I don't like being suspected, and I don't enjoy having to waste my time defending myself again and again, day after day. So I will vote for those that attack me and hope I can get rid of them. If they back off, so will I.

I don't want to just Naria slide, but I hate to vote for someone who hasn't been around to defend themselves. That's not saying that she isn't a wolf, just that I think the possibility of CoD being a wolf is higher at the moment. If Naria doesn't die and doesn't show up tomorrow then yes she warrants my vote for nonparticipation.

[Nogrod]

Sorry! I posted as Lommy as I hadn't remembered to log in as myself...

I deleted it.

Shortly.

Naria3, CoD1

Some competition might reveal last moment reactions for toMorrow if we get it wrong...

[Valier]

Well I'm not going to wait...I hope we catch a wolf either way today. *crosses fingers*

++CoD

[Nogrod]

ToMorrow look at the unsuspected. Please do.

Now we will have to pick on these three I'm afraid (Naria, CoD, Farael).

I might go for the last one...

X'd with Valier

[Durelin]

Alright, thankfully I am able to be here before the deadline...though it appears a horrible mess if not everyone votes.

So, in addition to CoD and Naria, some (namely Nogrod and Boro) are looking at Volo and Farael. I have been looking at Volo, but I actually find his last post less suspicious. It really has the appearance of being genuinely a little haphazard, which I think might speak of his innocence.

I feel like Volo's whole "I'm an innocent" spiel, while troubling, is unlike a wolf. That never fails to draw attention to yourself, though perhaps one might think it would draw sympathy (even if only subconsciously) from people. And with all three wolves still alive, perhaps they are feeling bold enough to draw quite a bit of attention to themselves.

I cannot get a read on Farael at all. I don't agree with his reasoning, but I have no reason to think he is a wolf.

With that having been said, I will stick with my original thoughts and feelings.

++Naria

If Naria is innocent...well then, tomorrow will be rough.

Edit: Needless to say, I cross-posted with a few...I suppose Naria's fate is sealed.

[Nogrod]

Thumbs up...

[Durelin]

Whoa, what's up with CoD?! I'm tempted to change my vote, but it's too late now.