Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXV: All Star Crossed With Nowhere to Go

[Thinlómien]

Holby and other possible mistakers: please don't call Kitanna Kittana, because "kittana" means too small or to short (of a cloth) in Finnish (or actually in a certain Finnish dialect) and it keeps bugging me...

Okay. Half of us are evil. Which half? I made this to make myself believe that there are really six baddies amongst us. I thought I could post it as well.

If I had to say which six are evil
Holby
Mac
morm
Farael
Durelin
Valier

If I had to say which six are innocent
Lommy
Kath
Lhuna
Fintaeph
Rikae
Jenny

Now this does not mean I suspect the first six and trust the last six. I wish it was so, but it's not that easy. That was only if I had to make the categories.

Now, I'll elaborate a little:
Holby - As I (and many others) have said before her vote was odd. To me it looked like joining a bandwagon for the sake of joining a bandwagon. Her proposal of the male-lynch tactics (which I'd consider a good one in a way, since generally speaking the males are quite suspicious) had a point per se, but she presented it in a manner and in such a situation that I couldn't help thinking she was a baddie being too sure of her doom too early wishing to hinder the village. It was somehow thrown out of nowhere to nowhere, if you get my point. It just felt wrong.

Mac - I stick to my earlier concerns. (Post #67) His explanations don't convince me.

morm - I honestly can't understand from where has all this trust towards him emerged from. I can't see anything especially trust-inspiring him, rather the opposite. He keeps throwing in overtly-complicated theories and is a bit paranoid (no offense meant). And I know this is not a good argument, but I feel he's evil.

Farael - Again, what I said earlier in #67. But I'm actaully growing less suspicious of him. Today he's made much more sense than yesterday.

Durelin - Again, check #67.

Valier and Jenny fall both to "hard to grasp" category. Of these ladies, it is very difficult to say which one is more suspicious. Neither strikes me as very suspicious and neither strikes me as innocentish either.

Kath - Though I disagree with her on some points, she seems overall quite innocentish and doesn't ring my alarms.

Lhuna - It's mostly a feeling that she's innocent, but her reasonableness speaks strongly for it too.

Fin - Gives me an innocent feel, not very sure about him though. Makes some good and innocentish points.

Rikae - Can't say anything really, so doesn't ring my alarms and thus belongs to this category.

EDIT: xed with Farael

[Macalaure]

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't!

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste, especially if you divide the village like that.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.

How can you put Rikae in any group?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hahaha, if I were you I wouldn't trust your hunches about me, remembering the last game...

I no longer need to.

[Fintaeph]

Well, I started the day with suspicion of Farael and Valier. Holby is also presently on my radar, and I'm willing to be convinced about her. However, I'll look at her later today.

I've just read over the logs, and I don't think I can post anything coherent about Farael that hasn't already been said. He's all over the place. That said, I too, find myself suspecting him less and less. Not sure why. Perhaps he is hypnotizing me. Farael, if you eat me tonight, I hope you get indigestion. :-P

Valier is bugging me, though. She's been saying just enough to appear present, and not really enough to endanger herself (#27, #42, #59). (Okay, you could accuse me of that, too, I guess.) But I can't shake this distrust of her. And as much as it feels totally stupid to put any stock in this, she did post first after last Night, and, I don't know, something felt *off* about the way she said it. I think it's the first line that's bugging me:

Originally Posted by Valier

Are you freakin' kidding me? Five dead people.

We all knew there would probably be four dead by morning, as there were four pairs on the loose. Five isn't that much of a stretch. And two of them *were* evil. "Methinks she doth protest too much." Maybe it felt like that was her way of trying to cover her impatience to post after the carnage she had caused. Gloating, that's it, it kind of felt like she was gloating.

Or I could just be being paranoid.

But then there's that vote yesterday: tit for tat. Seems a strange way to play, especially when a bandwagon was already rolling. It would have been easy to dilute the vote for her by voting for Farael. As it was, her vote for Jenny seemed useless, and her reasons did not seem intended to convince anyone to join her. If Jenny and Valier were a pair, it might make some sense to start a public argument. And yet I don't really find myself distrusting Jenny. So what does it mean?

Anyway, it's not enough on it's own, but it did make a lot of people suspicious of her (Nogrod, mormegil, Macaluare, others?).

Is this enough to get me to vote for her today? I don't know. Maybe. All my suspicions are still pretty nebulous. Other than the one last night, I don't think she's posted toDay. If she does, maybe I'll have more to work from.

I'll try to go over Holby's posts later, and see what I can get from them. For now, it's back to the grind. :-(

[Thinlómien]

All quotes by Mac:

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't!

The main point was trying to help myself hammer into my consciousness that there really are that many evil people here. I don't know about others, but for me it's difficult to grasp; you can always suspect half of the village, but to really know half are evil is a whole different matter.

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste. . .

I'm all too conscious of that. But at this point and with this many baddies around I just lack the evidence and the ability to focus.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.

Most probably (and I was thinking mainly about that female-lover thing), but she could always be a cunning lover of a male and propose that anticipating her suggestion would not be agreed with. Or then she's a lover of a male and wanted to play time. The problem with this (and werewolf in general) is that you can never discount any possibility.

How can you put Rikae in any group?

By being suspicious than trusting about most of people. I did not divide the people to ones I turst and ones I distrust and they just didn't happen to both neatly include six persons: my starting point was that there will be six in each category, and the suspicios category just got filled up more quickly, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

I have to vote soon (it's nearing midnight here and I need to go to school early in the morning tomorrow) and I'm now off to reread the thread and think more about all this.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by [B

Lommy[/B]]Holby and other possible mistakers: please don't call Kitanna Kittana, because "kittana" means too small or to short (of a cloth) in Finnish (or actually in a certain Finnish dialect) and it keeps bugging me...

Sorry, must remember to put in one "t".Hhm, maybe you are the werebear/lover that killed Kitanna because she was too small and it bugged you?

i shall not be here for the rest of the evening, come see pink oliphaunts on parade (RL Halloween festivities).

i'm torn between voting for Fareal and Valier. Valier because she already has a vote and i would like to see if ther is anything to the Valier/Jenny squabble.
Fareal, well because it's never fun to be suspected so vehemently by someone with a "first day" hunch. I'm afraid that the only thing that will come of either of our deaths is that we are proven not to be lovers.

On one hand, if Fareal was wicked he could've killed me last night, but on the other it's sometimes easier for a wicked person to hide in the open by going after one person with bulldog tenacity.

++Valier

[Thinlómien]

While rereading I found nothing special, but grew less suspicious of Durelin and more suspicious of Lhuna.

Of Lhuna I can't provide an exact quote, but she kind of fell from the almost trustworthy-category to the not-maybe-evil -category while I reread her triple-post.

Durelin said:

And ooh, there are more votes left than I thought. Things might get more interesting yet...

The fact itself that she says this plus the way she says it somehow make me think that she's probably innocent after all.

A vote to come very soon, not yet sure for who, though...

EDIT: xed with Kath

[Thinlómien]

I keep having my eye on a suspicious gentleman called

++Macalaure

though I feel my case will seem too feeble to others to get him lynched. So, this is more kind of a principle-vote. *sigh*

Of others I considered voting morm too, but he seems a bit less suspicious to me than Mac.

I might have voted Jenny or Valier too if I had heard more of them. Speak up, you two please. This applies Rikae too, of whom I must say is really unfair if she's a baddie.

And I wouldn't be so sad to see Farael or Holby dead either.

Now, it's anyway out of my hands for toDay. Let's hope it's a baddie who dies toDay, otherwise we'll be in a big bad trouble.

Good N/night!

[JennyHallu]

I need to vote...a friend's coming over and I don't know how long she'll be here.


++Holbytlass

She just seems the least like her usual self.

[Macalaure]

Farael -> Holbytlass
Holbytlass -> Valier
Kath -> Farael
Thinlómien -> Macalaure
JennyHallu -> Holbytlass(2)

Five votes for four people already. Keep in mind we have six baddies! The more we spread the votes, the more power we give to them.

It's getting late and I need to vote now. Though I would prefer voting Lommy, I don't want to add another name. I'm less suspicious about Farael and Holby at the moment.

++Valier

Her vote yesterday was strange and she did nothing to make me less suspicious today.

[Kath]

I think I'm going to have to vote now. It's quite likely that I'll be around later but it's also quite likely that I won't be.

So:

++FARAEL

Why? A number of reasons. One is that having read his posts from yesterDay and toDay I can understand now why others found him so suspicious. He posts as though he had inside knowledge, which since we know that he cannot be the Seer suggests he's not on our side. He attacks, forcing others to take on a defensive posture, and then uses that automatic reaction to push the case further, meaning that's it's not based on the merits of evidence. And, we've spent two Days debating him already. Enough.