WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..." - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Valier · 10-11-2006, 10:00 PM

The night wore on. A storm like no other was brewing. Everyone huddled in their houses afraid, that they would be next. But one brave soul sat up. They would not let others die. They would die to protect the village. suddenly,they were startled from their vigil, by a noise from outside. They raised their weapon and went to take a look. "Oh it is you! What are you doing out on a night like this? Are you a Thing here to take the life of an innocent?" "No. Are you?" retorted the other. "well if you aren't and I know I am not then lets go and have a drink." But the other sprung bringing DARNESS and DEATH. The towns Ranger was no more.

The village awoke the next day to huge snow piles everywhere, but there was no mistaking the large spot of crimson in the middle of the street. There in the snow lay what appeared to be Folwren or what was left of her. Her face had been horribly mangled from within,as if something had escaped....

Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod-killed on night 1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith- Face mangled on night 2-Innocent

Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Glirdan- Town musician
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller

Day2 has begun. Things stop pming. Village start talking

You have 24 hours.

Rikae · 10-11-2006, 10:29 PM

What have we done? Poor Lommy! And to think I switched my vote because I thought Mac was innocent.. At least if we can lynch a thing today, her death will not have been in vain...

And to think that Jack was a thing all along, when none of us suspected him! And now we are without our Ranger, too *wrings hands*. What do we have to go on now?

It appears we're meant to look for clues in Nogrod's words from yesterday (but meant by whom?):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My primary suspect is still Jenny. She has to vote still... and I know the danger I'm in with this. But if she machinates my death you shall know whom to kill the next Day so there is no problem there. I may die, but you know then who to blame. You will know the truth with the very message that reveals you the situation toMorrow morning.

and this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Rune dont make that mistake... *my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing to get it working normally again... if that is possible*

Think about the whole of the Day, not the way the thingies try to twist it at this point, knowing I\m going to be off/line soon & right now... And please read what I said> it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing than that *#58 and#73*. They were the principal reasons...

Sorry this machine doesn\t allow me to select any part of text right now. *The right pointer of the mouse is not working( I try to cokme back with the @last word@ before I go to sleep...

I'll leave it to more experienced players to decipher them. I've already caused enough trouble with my clumsy efforts.

Volo · 10-12-2006, 12:28 AM

Now you have made a big mistake lynching Lommy, I don't get what was so scary with her... Far more suspicios is Mac and especially Nogrod! His playing style last day was no better than mine father's, who was cursed. I don't see Nogrod making enough sense to be of any use, by his yesterdays performance, he began his normal agressive approach only when I noted his strange behavior.

Also he tried to stay out of bandwagons even knowing that Jenny won't be lynched, as if he wasn't really trying.

I know that usually Nogrod is a real gift for the village, but I'd risk lynching him. Pity he can't be a Fenris Thing anymore...

I also have a feeling that Mac's innocent, I'm not sure, but Nogrod's attitude is somehow making me think about lynching Mac, but I bet that's a bluff.

About the things, it makes sense for them to capture players that are respected and play well. So this is a game, where the not so skilled players have to fight double-hard. Exept for the orginal two things there is a new thing, that would be either a skilled player or a person who didn't say anything last turn. Me talking about something everybody understands, which isn't usefull.

I'll be away for about five-six hours, depends.

Volo · 10-12-2006, 02:55 AM

I have also thought about a possibility that Nogrod, wasn't a thing last day, but today he most certainly is. The things would want him first, plus his talk about the ranger might mean that he was the ranger. So he's a thing today, whatever he was yesterday.

At least one from the ranger-discussion has to be a thing (exept Folwren), because the ranger would want to clear the stuff and as we know the ranger is now a thing.
Nogrod could have drown the Rangers attention by such means, they usually show up. (like Boro's and mine grandfathers (seer and ranger), they were both so proud that they congratulated themselves a few times)

Even if Nogrod were a Weaver, he might have got information about Jenny being a Thing, but then he would have invented better reasons why to lynch her and would have started a bandwagon.

Ok, lesson ended. Bye

Rikae · 10-12-2006, 03:19 AM

Yes, those were my thoughts also, Volo. It seems Nogrod was sending some pretty obvious hints yesterday that he was one of the gifted, especially the ranger - and if he was the ranger yesterday, he's a thing today. It seems odd that the actual ranger would reveal himself like that on day one, though, and besides, the ranger wouldn't know who was a thing with any more certainty than any other innocent, right? And yet Nogrod seemed fairly certain about Jenny. How, too, would the real ranger know with such certainty who the things would attack that night? There's something slightly fishy about the "Nogrod was the ranger but is now a thing" scenario.
Well, I'm going to check back this afternoon. Perhaps things will make more sense later in the day (or perhaps we'll be able to catch them making nonsense...).

Macalaure · 10-12-2006, 04:07 AM

Lommy's dead, dead and innocent. An innocent Lommy is usually an asset to every village. Really, really bad. And I was even the first one to vote her...

*Note to self: don't go by your hunches, stupid*

And then Folwren was a Thing?? Now that's something I didn't expect. And she even defended me yesterday! Shame on you, Foley, shame on you!

I have some comments about what happened yesterday after I left.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why does Mac say he agrees with Nogrod, when Nogrod has said that Mac looked suspicious?

I don't think in terms of "he thinks I'm suspicious, so I think he's suspicious". Some things I said yesterday can be interpreted suspiciously, so he had every right to. What he said made sense.

...until then. Just after I voted and left, Nogrod started saying things that make me raise both my eyebrows today. Chance? Never!

I already thought it weird yesterday that he went after Eonwe so early. So Eo was a wolf the in the last village. So what??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

A bit suspicious of:
Macalaure
Glirdan
Gil-Galad

Actually suspicious of:
Volo
Eonwe
Jenny

There's the short-spoken Gil-Galad, the often silent Eonwe (who hadn't even posted then), the relatively new Volo, and Glirdan who is known to have hunches that, well, don't really work out all the time (no offense intended, Glirdy, really) and often gets lynched for them.

We already said that the things will want to change stronger players at night. This leaves them with the less strong players as favourite day lynchs. Nogrod here puts suspicion on 6 villagers, at least 4 of which one could regard as not-so-strong (again: really, really, no offense to anybody, I mean that).
Jenny can be considered an easy target as well. Her foremothers always tended to get a little bit nervous when under suspicion.

He puts Folwren as a sure innocent and I don't know what to make out of that.

Then there's Nogrod's infamous vote-reasons post.
First off: why?
Why talk about everyone's reasons for voting at that time? He already voted Jenny, so usually I'd expect him, or anybody, to a) try to get others into voting Jenny too, b) try to get others into not voting for him (he was very concerned about that later), or c) bring up points that are new.
This post does neither.
And the way he does is - my goodness. He's not giving the reasons for most at all! He often just quotes something out of the vote-posts, and it's rarely flattering. Menel's right in his criticism. I've seen somebody post like that before (Roa, Hithlum, wolf).

I also found his fear to be lynched a little over the top.

I don't think Nogrod was the ranger yesterday. No way in Arda would he have asked questions about his role in public when he just could have pmed Valier for it. What is possible, I think, is that he laid out a lure for the real ranger, and that probably s/he accepted it in a way. Jenny? Maybe. I have to think about this more.

I actually feel bad about suspecting Nogrod so much, as he's not here today to defend himself. Normally I would say: forget about him, look for somebody else today, we can lynch him tomorrow in honour. But if he's a thing, he might not be here tomorrow, so I can't afford this opinion.

Eonwe · 10-12-2006, 06:03 AM

Greetings, fellow villagers! This is a sore turn of events: Lommy gone, and a new Thing has been taken!

This is gonna be the weirdest game. Its like playing with three cobblers ... only ... worse ...

I've got allot of reading to do, to make up for yeserday, so that'll keep my busy for awhile... Ill get back to you with my thoughts/suspicions/whathaveyou...

Volo · 10-12-2006, 06:04 AM

"Oh yeah, I forgot Nogrod's strange accusations on Eonwe, thanks Mac. He won't be posting today (read tgj thread), but I have a feeling that he'll be lynched. If he's not a Thing and I don't become a Thing, I'll turn back on Mac... But I really feel that Nogrod's a Thing..."

JennyHallu · 10-12-2006, 06:10 AM

Sorry I didn't vote YesterDay. I got home and had no power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac

Jenny can be considered an easy target as well. Her foremothers always tended to get a little bit nervous when under suspicion.

Hunh. Have they?

Noggie is beginning to seriously worry me, but at the same time I remember that I am often at odds with Noggie. But really, I express suspicion of him and he accuses me of trying to "machinate" his death? If I had died last night, the same could have been said of him. I am also sure that not all those who voted for Lommy were trying to "machinate" the death of an innocent. *sigh* I can't stand inflammatory statements like that. Unfortunately, an innocent lynch very rarely means we can reliably point to one person as evil.

Now, as for voting records yesterday:

Quote:

Lommy -> Rikae (Rikae1)
Gil -> Rune (Rikae1, Rune1)
Volo -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Mac1)
Volo -> - Mac / + Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1)
Glirdy ->Briseis (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1)
Mac -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1)
Nogrod -> Jenny (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Jenny1)
Briseis -> Glirdy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Jenny1)
Kitanna -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Menel -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Rikae -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rune -> Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Naria -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy3, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rikae -> - Mac / + Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy4, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Folwren -> Lommy
Eonwe -> Naria (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy5, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1, Eonwe1)

I'll be back in a bit with some thoughts.

EDIT: X'ed with Eonwe and Volo

Macalaure · 10-12-2006, 06:17 AM

I just reread Folwren's posts. Here are my findings:

#42
Defends Rikae
Doesn't like Lommy's vote, accuses her
Defends me
Tells us that Glirdan, Gil, Rune and Volo have not contributed much. (hmmm...)

#49
Says: "Oh!! I think you're right! Ingenious, Nogrod!" about Nogrod's ranger confusion (I know I'm doing now what I just criticised, but this line is just too funny

)
Defends Rikae from Kitanna
Talks with Rune about tactics the way a thing would

#56
Complains about silence of Naria, Briseis, Eonwe, Glirdan (I no longer think this is just coincidence)
Compliments Nogrod

#71
Answers Jenny about Nogrod telling Volo to retract, thinks Nogrod thought me innocent

#79
Tells she'll be away for some time
Tries to get people discuss about deadline
Restates suspicion on Lommy

#96
Defends me from Kitanna, slightly suspiciuos of her
Tells us Nogrod is right, again

#103
More suspicion on Kitanna, puts time pressure on her

#107
After deadline is cleared, keeps up the time pressure

#109
Eases grip on Kitanna to justify vote for Lommy
Doesn't vote safe

Folwren deepens my belief that the things are trying to make us lynch "weaker" villagers.
She clings closely to Nogrod.
If Nogrod's a thing, Folwren's vote would fit perfectly into the picture.
The way she accuses her eases my own suspicion about Kitanna.
She defended Rikae the way she defended me. This makes me feel good about Rikae.

Since I'm now fairly convinced of Nogrod's guilt, I hoped I would be able to read some hint towards the third (now second) thing from Folwren's post. I failed.

Kitanna · 10-12-2006, 06:23 AM

What I have here is what was written before the start of today. Unfortunately my classes are against me timewise and it will be a while until I can look into the death fo Folwren.

After the events of yesterday I went through the thread to look at Nogrod, Jenny, and Volo, to elaborate on my suspicions of them due to their disputes yesterday. Honestly it all seemed slightly more important last night when I was reading through. I still plan on commenting on it, but I’d like to see what this day brings before completely elaborating on it.
Though I will say, and I believe I echo Jenny here, it was interesting for Nogrod to prompt Volo into changing his vote from Mac to Nogrod. He told Volo to remember his retractable vote and to “think about it”. I can’t decide exactly what that means. Trying to lead votes away from Mac or help give Volo an air of suspicion for other voters. I will return to them later.

The important issue in my mind, however, is the voters for Lommy. Mac voted first and well before day ended. Looking at his other top suspects he didn’t seem too convinced of any them. He was the fourth person to vote and (not counting Volo’s retracted vote) and of those voted for; none had received more than one vote.
Menel voted for Lommy next, though he also suspected Jenny (as stated in his post before his vote) though he also mentioned Mac as being a Thing. I saw little against Lommy in his earlier posts, mostly mentioned the fact she voted for Rikae though she didn’t find her overly suspicious. It looked as though Jenny and Mac were higher on Menel’s lists, but he voted for Lommy. It’s possible to say he picked the one suspect that had garnered one vote and would help in stopping any chaos over single votes throughout the village which is an innocent move and a guilty move rolled into one. If that makes sense. An innocent villager would do that and could help by not adding another single vote to someone when they have suspicions of someone already voted for. But that logic is easily applied to a Thing trying to hide within a bandwagon.
Naria voted for Lommy next. Claims Lommy is acting very unLommyish and doesn’t believe the excuse given for Lommy’s early vote and absence.
Rikae then decides Mac isn’t so Thingish and changes her vote to her other top suspect.
Folwren/Jack voted for Lommy after spending a good deal of the day suspecting her.
So unless I missed a vote for Lommy hiding away those five are the voters of Lommy. I have my suspicions of Mac from yesterday, but due to the voting patterns of yesterday I’m moving him down and bumping the other four Lommy voters up.
Menel tops the list. He was the second voter and pushed Lommy into the lead. Looking at his last three or four posts I’d say his most likely vote choice would have been Jenny or Mac. He never commented on what pushed Lommy ahead in his mind and I hope he does today.
Naria is the next on the list. She voted when Nogrod and Lommy had two votes each, but her vote for Lommy pushed Lommy back into the lead. That makes me wonder about a possible relationship between Naria and Nogrod.
Rikae voted for Lommy last and changed her vote from Mac. Normally this would set alarms off in my brain, but Rikae suspected Mac and Lommy much of the day. That fact makes me think she gave some real thought to who she should vote for and who was the most suspicious.
I feel Rikae and Folwren/Jack fall into the same category. Both suspected Lommy much of the day and they both voted when Lommy was already ahead in the votes. Because of that I find them far less suspicious than Naria and Menel.

I'll be back in a few hours with comments on Folwren's death and the events of the day thus far.

JennyHallu · 10-12-2006, 06:37 AM

Actually, Folwren's close association with Nogrod makes me feel less suspicious of him. The things are likely to play very aggressively, since they're only promised one day to wreak havoc, but I think they will go to even greater lengths than usual to avoid associations like that. With one of them dying every night, it will be important for them not to leave clues to their surviving counterparts.

Therefore, I am interested in looking at those Folwren blew off as unsubstantial or quiet posters, and even more especially at those she didn't mention.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Menel voted for Lommy next, though he also suspected Jenny (as stated in his post before his vote) though he also mentioned Mac as being a Thing. I saw little against Lommy in his earlier posts, mostly mentioned the fact she voted for Rikae though she didn’t find her overly suspicious. It looked as though Jenny and Mac were higher on Menel’s lists, but he voted for Lommy. It’s possible to say he picked the one suspect that had garnered one vote and would help in stopping any chaos over single votes throughout the village which is an innocent move and a guilty move rolled into one. If that makes sense. An innocent villager would do that and could help by not adding another single vote to someone when they have suspicions of someone already voted for. But that logic is easily applied to a Thing trying to hide within a bandwagon.

I agree with you on Menel, but we haven't really heard much from him. I have said in previous games that I seriously suspect the second voter in any bandwaggon (even one that kills a wolf). It's the safest place to hide a vote, and is almost never decisive.

10-12-2006, 12:28 AM	#3
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	Now you have made a big mistake lynching Lommy, I don't get what was so scary with her... Far more suspicios is Mac and especially Nogrod! His playing style last day was no better than mine father's, who was cursed. I don't see Nogrod making enough sense to be of any use, by his yesterdays performance, he began his normal agressive approach only when I noted his strange behavior. Also he tried to stay out of bandwagons even knowing that Jenny won't be lynched, as if he wasn't really trying. I know that usually Nogrod is a real gift for the village, but I'd risk lynching him. Pity he can't be a Fenris Thing anymore... I also have a feeling that Mac's innocent, I'm not sure, but Nogrod's attitude is somehow making me think about lynching Mac, but I bet that's a bluff. About the things, it makes sense for them to capture players that are respected and play well. So this is a game, where the not so skilled players have to fight double-hard. Exept for the orginal two things there is a new thing, that would be either a skilled player or a person who didn't say anything last turn. Me talking about something everybody understands, which isn't usefull. I'll be away for about five-six hours, depends. __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

10-12-2006, 06:04 AM	#8
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	"Oh yeah, I forgot Nogrod's strange accusations on Eonwe, thanks Mac. He won't be posting today (read tgj thread), but I have a feeling that he'll be lynched. If he's not a Thing and I don't become a Thing, I'll turn back on Mac... But I really feel that Nogrod's a Thing..." __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

10-12-2006, 06:23 AM	#11
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	What I have here is what was written before the start of today. Unfortunately my classes are against me timewise and it will be a while until I can look into the death fo Folwren. After the events of yesterday I went through the thread to look at Nogrod, Jenny, and Volo, to elaborate on my suspicions of them due to their disputes yesterday. Honestly it all seemed slightly more important last night when I was reading through. I still plan on commenting on it, but I’d like to see what this day brings before completely elaborating on it. Though I will say, and I believe I echo Jenny here, it was interesting for Nogrod to prompt Volo into changing his vote from Mac to Nogrod. He told Volo to remember his retractable vote and to “think about it”. I can’t decide exactly what that means. Trying to lead votes away from Mac or help give Volo an air of suspicion for other voters. I will return to them later. The important issue in my mind, however, is the voters for Lommy. Mac voted first and well before day ended. Looking at his other top suspects he didn’t seem too convinced of any them. He was the fourth person to vote and (not counting Volo’s retracted vote) and of those voted for; none had received more than one vote. Menel voted for Lommy next, though he also suspected Jenny (as stated in his post before his vote) though he also mentioned Mac as being a Thing. I saw little against Lommy in his earlier posts, mostly mentioned the fact she voted for Rikae though she didn’t find her overly suspicious. It looked as though Jenny and Mac were higher on Menel’s lists, but he voted for Lommy. It’s possible to say he picked the one suspect that had garnered one vote and would help in stopping any chaos over single votes throughout the village which is an innocent move and a guilty move rolled into one. If that makes sense. An innocent villager would do that and could help by not adding another single vote to someone when they have suspicions of someone already voted for. But that logic is easily applied to a Thing trying to hide within a bandwagon. Naria voted for Lommy next. Claims Lommy is acting very unLommyish and doesn’t believe the excuse given for Lommy’s early vote and absence. Rikae then decides Mac isn’t so Thingish and changes her vote to her other top suspect. Folwren/Jack voted for Lommy after spending a good deal of the day suspecting her. So unless I missed a vote for Lommy hiding away those five are the voters of Lommy. I have my suspicions of Mac from yesterday, but due to the voting patterns of yesterday I’m moving him down and bumping the other four Lommy voters up. Menel tops the list. He was the second voter and pushed Lommy into the lead. Looking at his last three or four posts I’d say his most likely vote choice would have been Jenny or Mac. He never commented on what pushed Lommy ahead in his mind and I hope he does today. Naria is the next on the list. She voted when Nogrod and Lommy had two votes each, but her vote for Lommy pushed Lommy back into the lead. That makes me wonder about a possible relationship between Naria and Nogrod. Rikae voted for Lommy last and changed her vote from Mac. Normally this would set alarms off in my brain, but Rikae suspected Mac and Lommy much of the day. That fact makes me think she gave some real thought to who she should vote for and who was the most suspicious. I feel Rikae and Folwren/Jack fall into the same category. Both suspected Lommy much of the day and they both voted when Lommy was already ahead in the votes. Because of that I find them far less suspicious than Naria and Menel. I'll be back in a few hours with comments on Folwren's death and the events of the day thus far. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

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10-11-2006, 10:00 PM	#1
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	The night wore on. A storm like no other was brewing. Everyone huddled in their houses afraid, that they would be next. But one brave soul sat up. They would not let others die. They would die to protect the village. suddenly,they were startled from their vigil, by a noise from outside. They raised their weapon and went to take a look. "Oh it is you! What are you doing out on a night like this? Are you a Thing here to take the life of an innocent?" "No. Are you?" retorted the other. "well if you aren't and I know I am not then lets go and have a drink." But the other sprung bringing DARNESS and DEATH. The towns Ranger was no more. The village awoke the next day to huge snow piles everywhere, but there was no mistaking the large spot of crimson in the middle of the street. There in the snow lay what appeared to be Folwren or what was left of her. Her face had been horribly mangled from within,as if something had escaped.... Dead villagers Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod-killed on night 1 Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent Folwren-Jack the blacksmith- Face mangled on night 2-Innocent Live villagers Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner JennyHallu- Prophetess Volo- Village loony/Poet Kitanna- Hermit Naria- Herbalist Glirdan- Town musician Briseis- Seamstress Rikae- Cheesemaker Macalaure- Village Doomsayer Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one) Nogrod- GoatHerder Meneltarmacil- Former pirate Eonwe- Miller Day2 has begun. Things stop pming. Village start talking You have 24 hours. __________________ grand return?........

10-12-2006, 02:55 AM	#4
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	double post from me :O I have also thought about a possibility that Nogrod, wasn't a thing last day, but today he most certainly is. The things would want him first, plus his talk about the ranger might mean that he was the ranger. So he's a thing today, whatever he was yesterday. At least one from the ranger-discussion has to be a thing (exept Folwren), because the ranger would want to clear the stuff and as we know the ranger is now a thing. Nogrod could have drown the Rangers attention by such means, they usually show up. (like Boro's and mine grandfathers (seer and ranger), they were both so proud that they congratulated themselves a few times) Even if Nogrod were a Weaver, he might have got information about Jenny being a Thing, but then he would have invented better reasons why to lynch her and would have started a bandwagon. Ok, lesson ended. Bye __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

10-12-2006, 03:19 AM	#5
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Yes, those were my thoughts also, Volo. It seems Nogrod was sending some pretty obvious hints yesterday that he was one of the gifted, especially the ranger - and if he was the ranger yesterday, he's a thing today. It seems odd that the actual ranger would reveal himself like that on day one, though, and besides, the ranger wouldn't know who was a thing with any more certainty than any other innocent, right? And yet Nogrod seemed fairly certain about Jenny. How, too, would the real ranger know with such certainty who the things would attack that night? There's something slightly fishy about the "Nogrod was the ranger but is now a thing" scenario. Well, I'm going to check back this afternoon. Perhaps things will make more sense later in the day (or perhaps we'll be able to catch them making nonsense...).

10-12-2006, 06:03 AM	#7
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	Greetings, fellow villagers! This is a sore turn of events: Lommy gone, and a new Thing has been taken! This is gonna be the weirdest game. Its like playing with three cobblers ... only ... worse ... I've got allot of reading to do, to make up for yeserday, so that'll keep my busy for awhile... Ill get back to you with my thoughts/suspicions/whathaveyou... __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

10-12-2006, 06:17 AM	#10
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I just reread Folwren's posts. Here are my findings: #42 Defends Rikae Doesn't like Lommy's vote, accuses her Defends me Tells us that Glirdan, Gil, Rune and Volo have not contributed much. (hmmm...) #49 Says: "Oh!! I think you're right! Ingenious, Nogrod!" about Nogrod's ranger confusion (I know I'm doing now what I just criticised, but this line is just too funny ) Defends Rikae from Kitanna Talks with Rune about tactics the way a thing would #56 Complains about silence of Naria, Briseis, Eonwe, Glirdan (I no longer think this is just coincidence) Compliments Nogrod #71 Answers Jenny about Nogrod telling Volo to retract, thinks Nogrod thought me innocent #79 Tells she'll be away for some time Tries to get people discuss about deadline Restates suspicion on Lommy #96 Defends me from Kitanna, slightly suspiciuos of her Tells us Nogrod is right, again #103 More suspicion on Kitanna, puts time pressure on her #107 After deadline is cleared, keeps up the time pressure #109 Eases grip on Kitanna to justify vote for Lommy Doesn't vote safe Folwren deepens my belief that the things are trying to make us lynch "weaker" villagers. She clings closely to Nogrod. If Nogrod's a thing, Folwren's vote would fit perfectly into the picture. The way she accuses her eases my own suspicion about Kitanna. She defended Rikae the way she defended me. This makes me feel good about Rikae. Since I'm now fairly convinced of Nogrod's guilt, I hoped I would be able to read some hint towards the third (now second) thing from Folwren's post. I failed.