WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..."

[Folwren]

Oh!! I think you're right! Ingenious, Nogrod!

Kitanna, I think you and others are taking Rikae's first post far too seriously. I've been burnt by posting first and saying something careless, and I don't want to see anyone else burned, too. I tell you, if she were a 'Thing' she wouldn't have brought so much attention to herself by saying 'I'm doing this, I will probably be lynched.' Poor thing probably regrets her first post now that she's written it. I am not at all saying that she's beyond doubt and beyond be suspected, but for heavens sake - let's not condemn her for her first post!!

Rune, I don't know what tactics are usually used in regular WW beyond suspecting every word every body says, leaning on gut feelings, and waiting for the seer to speak up or die. What more can we do here?

-- Jack

[JennyHallu]

Actually, I think a Thing dies as a result of a new one being made. If a new Thing is not made, the old one does not die.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am just letting you know that I will leave now, but I will be back before the day ends

[Nogrod]

Good point Jenny!

This is what the rules say:

The 3 Things work as follows. The Things may pm with each other at night only. They will be assigned a random # each night by the Mod(me) Ex: Thing #1, Thing #2 and Thing #3. This will change each night and the Things are unaware who is what #. Each night the Things will have two duties. They will first each pm me a Thing, either #1, 2 or 3 (remember they do not know who is what)The thing with the most votes "wins". They will then discuss who shall be their victim, and pm me the name. The villager they pick will not die. The Chosen Thing will instead snatch the body of the chosen victim. The chosen Thing will then in turn die and the chosen villager will now be a Thing. Ex: Ok so say Myself, Lommy and Nogrod are Things. We chose Thing #3 for the night who happens to be say, me. And we chose to "kill" Naria (Ordo) I would die that night and be replace by Naria who would be told of her transformation and let in on who are the other things. The Thing that dies will be known as an Ordo at their death.

and:

The Ranger will pm me their choice nightly of who they wish to protect for the night, they may protect the same villager twice in a row, but twice only. They must then protect someone else for at least one night.

I think Valier should clarify this issue... a lot of the tactics we may pursue depends on her judgement over this...

[Valier]

Note from beyond: A Thing only dies when they sucessfully switch bodies with a villager. If the Ranger protects someone and the Things chose that villager a Thing does not die. Nothing happens on that night.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Valier

Note from beyond: A Thing only dies when they sucessfully switch bodies with a villager. If the Ranger protects someone and the Things chose that villager a Thing does not die. Nothing happens on that night.

So I was wrong then...

But thank's for the information.

At least I have to think this general tactics stuff all over again. But first I will at last try to stick with what is actually said toDay. For however the rules go, this Day1 will be most likely as any other Day1 would be. The new rules start to bite hard only from toMorrow on (the things might anticipate the stuff to come, but most likely we will have to play with conventional wisdom / cluelesness here).

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Here are my thoughts so far. I will continue this, but these were the "easiest" to form an opinion to begin with...

Naria: Not posted yet, nothing to say.

Briseis: Not posted yet, nothing to say.

Eonwe: Not posted yet, nothing to say. But him being the quiet wolf in my last game makes me quite reserved with anything he will say or do in this game. I know it is unfair, but I will look at him very closely this time around, as and if he comes around...

Glirdan: Has basically just reported in... Nothing to say so far.

Gil: Two posts. Not much to take hold on. Defending Rikae somewhat but playing it down also:

Aye, Rikae is not that suspicous in my eye, but if she turns out to actually be a thing then we've all been played for fools this first day.

Voting Rune with no apparent reason given, but:

Thus my vote must go to Rune, it probably won't be to effect but its a start.

I might say this is "Gil-Galadish", even quite outspoken version from his family-tree... Hard to say. And with my last experience with Eonwe, I would not exclude him from my vote toDay. But surely, no good reasons to suspect him either but only to be certain about him...

Meneltarmacil: Two posts so far. I would have awaited more from him (not exactly on numbers but of substance). But he had a point also when saying:

Catching these Things and making 'em walk the plank will be tough, as you really can't trust anyone, even known innocents. Shiver me timbers, it be a dire scenario! I personally would only follow up on suspicions rather than rely on "known innocents" here, as they have a way of changing on you.

That might be said by an innocent or a thing alike. Over this one he only managed to go to and fro with Rune... Don't know but don't like either. I want to hear more from him.

Folwren: two posts as well. Ringing innocent to my ears. She is staunchly defending Rikae for her first post as she was the victim of a similar kind of suspicion in the last one. Sounds true to me. At least what can be said with some confidence is that on the basis of #42 they probably will not be things both of them. That would be too daring at least thinking of Folwren (Sorry Foley ). Generally she seems to be very sensible indeed and speaking the words of wisdom. Not my suspect for the time being (tomorrow may be different as this game will be crazy enough with the switching identities).

So seven people on this "easy" list. With the probabilities at least one of them is a thing... So who? Hard to say as some of them have not yet posted, but Menel should come forwards if he wishes to avoid my suspicions. Gil I'm a bit embarrased about (wouldn't like to be leading yet another lynch of an innocent Gil) as he justmade a post suspicious enough... And Eonwe I can't vote before he says anything and will (unfairly) look at him really closely this time...

Very hard to say.

Hopefully my look on the more difficult cases proves a better guide...

[Folwren]

Golly, this is a shockingly slow day. Where are the other people? Naria, Briseis, Eonwe? Glirdan? Hopefully they'll pop up soon.

Nogrod, nice to know your thoughts on everyone. I'm assuming that since you didn't mention Lommy, Rikae, or Mac in that last post, you want us to read your earlier posts on them? (And were you saying I'm not very daring? I nearly killed myself once, being too daring in RL. . .) But yes, you're right, in this instance. I like being careful in these games.

I understand how you feel concerning Eonwe, but you must try not to let it make you prejudice.

And that's all I've got to say.

-- Jack

[Meneltarmacil]

Arrr, I believe we be focusing a great deal on Rikae here, and it be enough to make me peg leg itch. Not that she be necessarily innocent, but I'd bet a bottle of rum that one of her attackers be a Thing.

Diverting attention onto a likely-sounding target be the way a Thing works. Takes it off them, that way, they don't have to defend themselves.

In particular, though, Macalaure posted something unsightly a while back:

Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice.

I've heard tales of stuff like this happening, and it looks bad. One Thing tries to preserve the life of another one by stating what's wrong with his/her post. The other Thing will often pick up on the cryptic advice, and the rest of the crowd doesn't seem to notice. If it comes to killings, the surviving Thing can cite honest suspicion later on. But yer not foolin' this old sea dog Mac. Even if Rikae be innocent, ye could be just castin' suspicion on her to keep us all occupied. What do ye have to say fer yerself, ya scurvy dog?

'Course, if Mac ain't the monster, Lommy catches me eye (the one without the patch be me only one, I'm afraid). Votes for Rikae, yet doesn't find her very suspicious? Lass, ye be a Thing tryin' to cover yer tracks with that statement!

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

I've heard tales of stuff like this happening, and it looks bad. One Thing tries to preserve the life of another one by stating what's wrong with his/her post. The other Thing will often pick up on the cryptic advice, and the rest of the crowd doesn't seem to notice. If it comes to killings, the surviving Thing can cite honest suspicion later on. But yer not foolin' this old sea dog Mac. Even if Rikae be innocent, ye could be just castin' suspicion on her to keep us all occupied. What do ye have to say fer yerself, ya scurvy dog?

Just this: you're on the wrong track. I repeat my defense again. What Rikae said would have made me suspicious if it wasn't her first game. The reason I went into so much detail was to spark discussion.

'Course, if Mac ain't the monster, Lommy catches me eye (the one without the patch be me only one, I'm afraid).

This one sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it? A similar statement made my innocent grandfather lynch your guilty grandfather.

Originally Posted by Volo, on Nogrod

I'm suprised that nobody else has even mentioned him so far...

I'm waiting for his thoughts to be complete - impatiently so, if I may add.

[Nogrod]

... to be continued

Jenny: I have really mixed feelings about. THere is a lot I suspect in Jenny.
In a way she seems like a most "thingish" one I could fathom here. Nicely countering the arguments and going with the general suspicions, just adding enough to look as an independent one. Also her interpretations on Lommy and Mac seem to be very different from mine (which does not mean that I think Lommy or Mac to be innocents... I will have to look at them after these) and too easily come up with. I mean, the difference between a wolf and an innocent lies there where an innocent tries to find the culprits and when s/he is unsure about it, s/he takes back her/his words and leaves the situation in a baffled state, but the villain will be most happy to just go after someone, whoever is suspected.

Then this really caught my eye:

Rikae, dear, you really don't need to panic.

I'm not sure, or even ready to believe, that a thing would be this forward to her mate, but a thing might wish to "buy" some trust with this kind of a trick?

Lastly, on the thing I was mistaken, her point seemed firm enough:

Actually, I think a Thing dies as a result of a new one being made. If a new Thing is not made, the old one does not die.

She happened to be right, even though it was not said aloud in the rules (check the rules or my post #52). So how did she know it? The things must have thought of these rules beforehand and taken care to understand them correctly?

But she has been considerate and reasonable all the time too. Like a good innocent or a very good thing indeed...

So Jenny seems to be my top suspect this far. I must think about this as the one you have just checked looks the most suspicious by definition... And I have not looked with an evil eye to the postings of Volo, Rune, and the trio (Rikae, Lommy & Mac) yet.

Sorry. I'll post this and come to the others in a while. Nice to see you back Menel and making good points. You are easing my problems a bit here.

And Foley: No I'm not intending to say you should only look for my earlier posts. I'm trying to continue with these "analysis" to the end... as I have time to make them...

[JennyHallu]

Actually, Nogrod, I argued back and forth with Valier about the rules quite a bit before the game started, and I felt that she was very clear. Specifically, her use of the phrase "in turn" I felt clearly showed a relationship between the creation of a new Thing and the death of the old.

[Volo]

"Back for a little time. But only little time. I did have time to read all the stuff, but I confess that I'm no good at this and don't make much sense. I know my playing-style isn't great and that it's just like my father's who was cursed in an other village not so long ago, but that's what we are.

I have already voted, my mistake because of other stuff happening in my life. I'm not a person who would like to stay out of discussion and too often jump into discussions that don't concern me. It is true that I rarelly make sense when I say something, but rarelly isn't always. Now this all defending myself might sound suspicious as I don't seem to be in any great danger of being lynched anyway.

Well, now to something that should make sense. The problem is that I can't find much stuff like that, sure I could just quote something and say how thingy that would be, but...

Originally Posted by Rikae, to Lommy #33

No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other.

You still haven't answered why Lommy should vote you instead of Mac. Why would you have voted yourself? Do continue...

An other person who I would like to point out is Nogrod, I find his style changed again, this time he isn't attacking straight. Maybe it's too early. He has also said some stuff that isn't really necessary. (#41 and #46 don't tell us anything new. The ranger talk sounds strange.) Also he and Jack/Folwren seem to support each other, well, Jack does seem rather innocent.

Nogrod's summary so far seems too simple, somewhat like my father's summary last game, but that would make him innocent-like... I'm suprised that nobody else has even mentioned him so far...

Ok, I go to sleep. Now or really soon."

[Meneltarmacil]

As for JennyHallu, she really don't seem to be contributing much. After the first two posts or so, she only mentions the rules of the game. I find hat a bit strange. She's generally tryin' to look helpful, but she be contributing too little here...

Anyhow, I be most likely to vote fer Thinlomien or possibly Macalaure at this point.