Treachery of Men Discussion/Planning Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

piosenniel · 10-03-2006, 09:38 AM

Folwren

The dates of birth have to stand as they are. Since these are characters written for by Tolkien, we have to accept the background he gave them.

So:

From HoM-E V, The Lost Road and Other Writings, in "The Genealogies", here is what Tolkien wrote and Christopher edited:

Ulfand the Swart (Ulfang the Black) - b. 100 (400 FA)

Uldor (later called the Accursed) - b. 125 (425 FA)
Ulfast - b. 128 (428 FA)
Ulwar - b. 130 (430 FA)

-----

Ulfang - 71 y/o

Uldor is 46
Ulfast 43
and Ulwarth 41

As Ang says

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Do you want to switch to the middle-brother, Ulfast?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-03-2006, 10:19 AM

So I'm oldest now?

Folwren · 10-03-2006, 11:24 AM

I won't argue.

And when it comes to it, I really don't care if I play the middle or youngest brother. I was mostly hesitant to play the oldest brother. . .being the oldest in the family is something I've never experienced and tend to not be able to connect with. I really have no preference now. Let's keep it as it is to avoid any more useless trouble. Celuien PMed me this morning asking me the same question and I just told her I'm happy with how things are. So, unless other people think otherwise, I can keep Ulwarth.

-- Folwren

Anguirel · 10-03-2006, 01:08 PM

Fea, yep, you're now the eldest.

As for your evil monologues...I'm certain you'll conjure up the malice of Iago, Edmund, Agravaine and Mordred rolled into one...

Lalaith and Child (I'm talking to you here to give my poor weary PM box a rest), I'm perfectly happy about your marital plans...!

Folwren · 10-03-2006, 01:12 PM

Celuien and I have settled it. We'll keep our present characters. I shall play Ulwarth, the youngest son, and Celuien Ulfast, the middling.

I'll try to start working on a character bio shortly.

-- Folwren

Durelin · 10-03-2006, 06:22 PM

Ah, just realized there's something that needs to be determined, and I wanted to check with you, Ang, as well as Fea on the matter.

Would Uldor have any idea who Thuringwethil is? Would he simply know her as a servant of Morgoth? Would he think her to be just a woman? Would that be how she presented herself even to him, but he would wonder if she was something else? I'm assuming she would not really use Thuringwethil as her name, but would that name be revealed to Uldor?

I'm thinking Uldor would only know that she was Morgoth's servant, and be left to wonder what he wished, just as long as it doesn't get him into trouble.

Fea and I can work this out, I'm sure, but I wanted to get the game founder's opinion, as well as any mod's.

And thanks for the Sims link, Pio! 'Tis quite interesting to actually see someone's take on her. I've started on her bio, though, and I must say I've strayed from such a 'classically' evil look quite a bit...for better or worse.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-03-2006, 08:40 PM

Durelin: I'll leave my knowledge of your identity up to you.

Everyone... My hope for posting a bio by Saturday currently seems an ambitious one. I have to revoke it in favor of a lot of apologies and "I'll have it up as soon as I can, I promise!"

10-03-2006, 10:19 AM	#2
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	just clarifying... So I'm oldest now? __________________ peace

10-03-2006, 11:24 AM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I won't argue. And when it comes to it, I really don't care if I play the middle or youngest brother. I was mostly hesitant to play the oldest brother. . .being the oldest in the family is something I've never experienced and tend to not be able to connect with. I really have no preference now. Let's keep it as it is to avoid any more useless trouble. Celuien PMed me this morning asking me the same question and I just told her I'm happy with how things are. So, unless other people think otherwise, I can keep Ulwarth. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-03-2006, 01:08 PM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Fea, yep, you're now the eldest. As for your evil monologues...I'm certain you'll conjure up the malice of Iago, Edmund, Agravaine and Mordred rolled into one... Lalaith and Child (I'm talking to you here to give my poor weary PM box a rest), I'm perfectly happy about your marital plans...! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-03-2006, 01:12 PM	#5
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Celuien and I have settled it. We'll keep our present characters. I shall play Ulwarth, the youngest son, and Celuien Ulfast, the middling. I'll try to start working on a character bio shortly. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-03-2006, 06:22 PM	#6
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Ah, just realized there's something that needs to be determined, and I wanted to check with you, Ang, as well as Fea on the matter. Would Uldor have any idea who Thuringwethil is? Would he simply know her as a servant of Morgoth? Would he think her to be just a woman? Would that be how she presented herself even to him, but he would wonder if she was something else? I'm assuming she would not really use Thuringwethil as her name, but would that name be revealed to Uldor? I'm thinking Uldor would only know that she was Morgoth's servant, and be left to wonder what he wished, just as long as it doesn't get him into trouble. Fea and I can work this out, I'm sure, but I wanted to get the game founder's opinion, as well as any mod's. And thanks for the Sims link, Pio! 'Tis quite interesting to actually see someone's take on her. I've started on her bio, though, and I must say I've strayed from such a 'classically' evil look quite a bit...for better or worse. Last edited by Durelin; 10-03-2006 at 06:45 PM.

10-03-2006, 09:38 AM	#1
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Folwren The dates of birth have to stand as they are. Since these are characters written for by Tolkien, we have to accept the background he gave them. So: From HoM-E V, The Lost Road and Other Writings, in "The Genealogies", here is what Tolkien wrote and Christopher edited: Ulfand the Swart (Ulfang the Black) - b. 100 (400 FA) Uldor (later called the Accursed) - b. 125 (425 FA) Ulfast - b. 128 (428 FA) Ulwar - b. 130 (430 FA) ----- Ulfang - 71 y/o Uldor is 46 Ulfast 43 and Ulwarth 41 As Ang says ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you want to switch to the middle-brother, Ulfast?

10-03-2006, 08:40 PM	#7
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Durelin: I'll leave my knowledge of your identity up to you. Everyone... My hope for posting a bio by Saturday currently seems an ambitious one. I have to revoke it in favor of a lot of apologies and "I'll have it up as soon as I can, I promise!" __________________ peace

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