Tol-In-Gauroth XXIV: Battle of the Band[Wagon]

[Sleepy Ranger]

Fourteen arrived, thirteen went to sleep, twelve woke up. The musicians arrived in the lobby and saw a coffin awaiting them on the receptionist's desk. It was Celuien who finally summoned enough courage to open the coffin. The musicians crowded around and let out a horrified gasp when they saw what was inside. In the coffin lay Meneltarmacil.

He had his 'blue seude shoes' stuffed into his mouth and had what appeared to be the bumper of a truck wound around his neck. The survivors could only assume he had been strangled. That was not all though, Meneltarmacil appeared to be missing a lot of himself. His stomach had been neatly carved out and a bunch of body organs lined the coffin. "We have seen enough." Celuien said firmly and shut the lid. The musicians looked grimly at each other as they made their way to the shell. It appeared Meneltarmacil had left the building.

Dead
Sleepy Cowell (Mod) - Beheaded and mounted on a wall.
Volo (Wolf) [Kai Hansen] - Popped by the magical barrier he helped set up.
Meneltarmacil (Innocent) [Elvis Presley] - Suffocated and disected.

Alive
Glirdan
Macalaure
Diamond18
THE Ka
Thinlomien
Celuien
Eonwe
Nogrod
Durelin
Boromir88
Folwren
Rune

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I take that this means we can start then. . .

I would like to appologise for having to leave, but I could not miss out on a job inteview. I have a few thoughts that I will like to share and I will make sure to post some of them before I leave.

[Boromir88]

Dead wolf and dead Menel.

Hmmm, what to make of this. It's about time we start telling these wolves Don't Come around here No More.

Well, I'm not inclined to believe Folwren's innocent. My guess is they want to set up Folwren for an easy kill today as he had attracted quite a bit of suspicion yesterday. But, based upon the craziness that happened at the end of the day yesterday, I get the feeling Folwren's innocent.

That's all for now, I think we should look through Volo's posts, that is the best thing for us to use as information for today. I used to take voting records to be strong evidence for someone's innocence, but since someone (:cough: Father Nogrod :cough: ). I have a lesser amount of trust in using votes to form a judgement of who's innocent and who's not.

Edit: x-posted with Durelin and Glirdan

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Let me first of all clear up a miss understanding made by Volo. I did not say that I agreed with Di I said that was what Mac did and nothing more and that was my reason for voting Mac. . . I think I would have done the same if I had been able to stay around. I would not have voted Volo, I am sure.

I was unsure about menel, so from that perspective this was a good kill for me.

Nogrod for me is hard to get a read on, wich is ironic as he writes a whole novel in each post.

I find Glirdans vote suspiciouse, because it was such an easy one. I hope you understand. It was kind of voting for Nilp on day 1.

I have a chief suspect, but I need to observe the person for a bit to figure out if my theory holds water. . .

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think voting Flowren would be a mistake, I have often shared the same fear as her about posting the very first posy. Only to often have I seen people get lynched because people read to much into such a comment. (Including my own great grandfather)

I don't find Di to seem innocent, I doubt a wolf would dare to throw a vote away like that.

1. It is likely to atracted attention
2. they could have saved their fellow wolf and maybe even make it look inoccent.

I also think Celuin a inoccent, she has done nothing particular wolfish in my view and she did vote for Volo as number 2, with the chance to start a bandwagon. . . I normaly don't base my suspicions on votes, but I always take them into considerations.

I will, check in again in 30 min and then I have to leave for tonight (RL), I should be online in the hours before the deadline, but not in the last hour.

[Glirdan]

Well, I must say that this isn't much of a shock. But I'm not thrilled about this either. It was a smart choice for the Wolves as Menel could be dangerous to them alive.

But I must adress something that's been bugging me.

Sorry, no time. Pop sent a fax RIGHT at voting time.

++Volo

To save my own skin. (Folwren)

Here are yesterDay's votes:

1)Durelin - The Ka (Ka 1)
2)Glirdan - Durelin (Ka 1, Durelin 1)
3)The Ka - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1)
4)Lommy - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1, Folwren 1)
5)Rune - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
6)Celuien - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
7)Boro - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2)
8)Eonwe - Nogrod (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
9)Menel - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
10)Di - Rune (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
11)Nogrod - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 3, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
12)Mac - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
13)Volo - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
14)Folwren - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 5, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)

At the time of her vote, Volo's death was already sealed. The only person who had to vote was her. It was a throwaway vote. Too safe in my opinion. She had anybody to vote for.

It's true that Volo turned out to be a Wolf. He voted Folwren in an attempt to save himself. How do we know that Folwren didn't vote him to make her look more innocent? She is deffinetly at the top of my suspect list.

I'm going to go back over all the posts and see if there's anything else that cathces my eye.

[Folwren]

I am sorry that it was Menel who died. He voted for me yesterday, but I'm willing to forgive him of that. I liked him and he made sense.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

At the time of her vote, Volo's death was already sealed. The only person who had to vote was her. It was a throwaway vote. Too safe in my opinion. She had anybody to vote for.

It's true that Volo turned out to be a Wolf. He voted Folwren in an attempt to save himself. How do we know that Folwren didn't vote him to make her look more innocent? She is deffinetly at the top of my suspect list.

*deep deep deep sigh* I survived yesterday, gasping, with my head barely above water (I thought) and thought I'd cleared the hurdle, only to find I'm accused afresh in the morning.

Please allow me to explain more thoroughly what I meant when I said Pop sent a fax RIGHT (I meant 'RIGHT at', too) at closing time. . .

At fifteen minutes before voting time, I went for the computer to connect and stay posted until the end. I connected and had not yet gotten on the 'Downs when Pop hollers up from his office in the back 'I need to send a fax!!' Of course, I disconnected, allowing him the phone line. It was a 20 page fax!! And it took 20 minutes to send. Right at the exact time of voting, the fax gets through and the line is free (all the while, I'm really worried. I couldn't sit still, I thought my life was on the line, I had no idea how those last votes were going to go). So, come time, I finally manage to connect, I rush as fast as I can to the thread, without waiting for it to load (anyone who has dial up knows how long things can take to load), type down my vote, and post it. LESS THAN A MINUTE LATER Sleepy posts end of day.

Only after I voted did I run back and look at what transpired during those horrible minutes that Pop's fax was sending. I saw it hadn't been necessary that I vote, but it was just as well.

And there, my dear fellow, is my defense.

Now, I have no time left to explain anything. We were gone all morning picking up another horse and now there's lots of work to be done here at home. I will check in and out this afternoon and this evening I sincerely hope to have some time to write some thoughts.

Down with the wolves!

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Cross posted with Glirdan. I do not have time to completely read your post (I glanced through your arguments) and I have even less time to go through thorough arguments to deflect what you've said.

It's is an utter waste of time for you to be getting on me so much. If you want to know why I said the Boromir thing, go back and re-read my posts again and see what I've already said on the subject. You sited my explanation for the first quote you keep pulling up. Also, about my being an innocent and being scared to death - Why can't a person be honset here?!?! Seriously! I am the most talkative, most open, most wordy, most honest person here and I'm getting slammed for it! I am not trying to hide anything! Would a wolf, who's being hounded like this, talk so much? Would they? Stop it and think! THINK!

K. Please excuse me. I'm a little riled up. Tired and overwrought. I hope I haven't made things worse for myself but I have a horrible, sick feeling in my stomach that I just dug the hole a little bit deeper.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

This sounds like a plea of a Wolf trying to stay alive and attack more innocents. I really don't like it. If you're as innocent as you say you are Folwren, why would you have cared about being lynched? I personally would feel like a sacrifice, a way to get closer to finding the Wolves. This really sounds like a Wolf plea to me.

I happen to like being alive, thank you very much. What is more, I think that someone who talks as much as I do and thinks a little bit about what I write will be more of an asset to the village than something who doesn't talk much and doesn't talk much sense when he does talk, as Volo appeared to do when he lived. As it turned out, he was a wolf.

Yes, yes, use that 'be more of an asset to the village' to tie me down better, if you so wish!

-- Folwren

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will, be leaving now, so here is my parting shot.

Stop being after Folwren like this, am I really the only one who thinks she is too defencive to be a wolf. I know the opposite could be argued, but it simply attracts to much attention for a wolf to do this. At least under these sercumstances.

I don't know if I think that Glirdy is just being him self and on the wrong track or if he is a wolf praying on the obviouse and silly mistakes he can find.

[Durelin]

Okay, Folwren's almost definitely innocent. No wolf would dare make such a scene...

So, no, you're not the only one who thinks so, Rune.

Still, I don't want to say anything's absolute, of course... But let's focus on something new, if only for a change.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Am I really the only one who thinks she is too defencive to be a wolf.

No, you're not. After reading the defenses I crossed with, I'm thinking that she's probably innocent. What she said feels genuine.

But really, though I find myself disagreeing, I can't (and won't) fault Glirdy for going after her. It seems to me that he found a suspect and wanted answers. Silly mistakes are sometimes the only thing the village has to go on. *shrugs*

[Boromir88]

Here's my thoughts on Menel's death.

1. He's a strong opponent against the wolves.

2. He was probably one of the only people yesterday that didn't attract any sort of suspicion what so ever. Everyone felt good about him, so the wolves wanted to get him out of the picture.

3. To set up for an easy lynch target today.

Call me a softy, but I've brought into Folwren's pleads. In the chaos and upped pace of the last minutes yesterday, it's understandable that Folwren was voting to save her life (eventhough if it turned out to be unnecessary).

Which leads me to Glirdan who has continued an attack on Folwren today. Since I find Folwren innocent, it's either that Glirdan is an innocent that fell into the wolves plan. Or he actually is a wolf pushing for Folwren's lynching. From what I know of Glirdan (which has been a very short history of records) he is the agressive attack type, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's a wolf in this situation.

Then there's Thinlomien, who got the ball rolling yesterday against Folwren. I had agreed with Thinlo's points, as because as far as Day 1's go it was one of the more sensible looking arguments. But, as the Day closed yesterday I grew wary of a vote against Folwren (for rather obvious reasons that I've made more clear today).

Though yesterday Thinlo's points made sense, today with more information that we now have, it's easy to take someone's words and fit your own meaning. I'm not saying you twist words around, but you twist people's intentions and feelings around to fit your own opinion. I mean a simple change as far as where you put a period can change the whole context and meaning of the sentence, or a section of writing. And since we can't read the tone of words in most cases, it's easy to form our own opinions that aren't necessarily correct.

I would like to hear from Thinlo as I have a feeling that she slyly guided supsicion towards Folwren and now has let other people lead the attacks against her.

Also, I'm considering this....Those who voted for Folwren:

1. Thinlolmien
2. Menel (dead- innocent)
3. Volo (dead-wolf)

Is it possible that Thinlo is also a wolf here? She got the ball rolling with some convincing looking arguments, as far as Day 1 goes, and a good wolf can do that. Menel bought into it. Volo was obviously trying to save himself, so perhaps he voted a long with a wolf partner who had started the suspicion against Folwren.

I have a feeling that either Glirdan (who is the one continuing the attack today) or Thinlomien, (who started the attack) is a wolf. As I find it pretty obvious that Folwren's innocent.

Edit: X-posted with several people.

[Celuien]

Glirdy posted my customary vote recap. But that won't stop me from copying over the portion I find most interesting.

6) Celuien - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
7) Boro - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2)
8) Eonwe - Nogrod (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
9) Menel - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
10) Di - Rune (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
11) Nogrod - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 3, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
12) Mac - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
13) Volo - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
14) Folwren - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 5, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)

Tie making and breaking:
Volo was the first to garner a second vote. A three-way tie (at 2 votes a piece) existed between Volo, Mac and Folwren after Menel's vote at number 9. Boromir was the other tie creator with a vote for Mac at number 7.

At that point, the field was wide open, and anyone could have been pushed into the lead. Nogrod and Mac then both voted for Volo, with Mac essentially making the deciding vote. For that reason, I'm inclined to think Mac is innocent. Had he voted for Folwren, Volo would have had a chance at escaping the vote. The same goes for Nogrod, who seemed more likely to vote for either Rune or me than for Volo until the last minute, when he tipped the balance against our deceased wolf.

Folwren doesn't necessarily feel guilty to me. In the flurry of votes, she might have thought that a vote for Volo was needed to save herself. And the frantic wish to stay alive doesn't have to mean that she was wolvishly trying to survive. Day 1 is a rotten time to go, even if you're ordinary. I'll watch her, but I'm not really getting a bad vibe from her.

And, actually, with Menel's death, I'm wondering about Boromir. I felt fairly certain of his innocence yesterday, but with his main opponent from yesterDay's debate gone, my attention had been attracted.

[Durelin]

Well, I can't say I saw that one coming, nor do I expect the wolves did.

*mutters* Lucky guess, Morrissey...

Sadly, I feel like we can pretty much rule out THE KaMoz and Celuien...but not completely.

I guess we can do the same with Folwren, unless Volo and Folwren simply turned on each other... Or something...

Oh, yeah, btw, sorry for not being around. Day One has always been my sit back and observe day.

Anyway...

Mac seems the least right to me right now. His late vote for Volo would be excellent cover, but he doesn't even produce any reason at all!

And then there's this:

You could've waited that few more minutes, Nogrod...

Hmm. A little...protective...? (Not the best word.) But perhaps too obvious.

I doubt Nogrod is a wolf.

Eonwe feels innocent to me. He seems too *carefree* in his playing style to be a wolf. Still, that could just be his 'strategy' no matter what he is.

Glirdan hasn't been much. Like me. Not quite right seeming, but not quite wrong seeming either. Yet.

Boro...same old Boro. Into it, analysing and creating lists to his heart's content.

Diamond has been Diamondish, and I think her vote for Rune actually points more towards innocence than anything else. Rather than actually trying to bring someone ahead of someone else, which she was surely in the position to do, she steps back, not wanting guilt on her hands. I can definitely relate to that.

Rune hasn't been much yet. Though he's been akin to a certain sort of Rune I knew...a hairy and fanged one. Still, he seems the type to come across rather the same no matter what his true identity.

Lommy...little from her, and the fact that she pointed out Folwren really doesn't tell us much.

Now here's a funny thought:

Volo, Mac, and Folwren are our three wolves.

Edit: Cross-posted with Rune and Glirdan.

[Folwren]

You can not imagine the ill luck I've been having this morning and last night while trying to get onto the 'Downs. I'm fair ready to burst with impatience with this computer! I see it's not necessarily my computer's fault with everyone else complaining of the same thing. ..strange

Well, I'm not running any chances. This may be my last chance to write before closing time.

Boromir is making sense with his thoughts. I am not inclined to think of him as guilty just now. It can wait, I think.

Glirdan annoys me immensely.

Nogrod is making sense, too.

I can't go over everybody, they're calling me up to make the eggs for breakfast. Blasted time and blasted computer! I don't want to vote for Lommy becuase she hasn't had a chance to defend herself or to even play, really.

I'm going for Glirdan. It's based off of my own gut feeling, Boromir's reasoning, and my dislike of being attacked so forociously.

++Glirdan