Treachery of Men Discussion/Planning Thread - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwathagor · 07-13-2008, 10:39 AM

I'm game. Let's do it.

littlemanpoet · 08-09-2008, 12:37 PM

I decided to post the three way PM-built post between Foley, Gwath, and me, because it seemed like, as a post, it had reached a conclusion.

Gwath, I'll give you a day or two to post for Jord unless you prefer me to do so for Ulfast and/or Thorn.

Folwren · 08-10-2008, 12:50 PM

How long do you think until we can draw this to a close? We've got to hurry before someone talks Uldor into being reasonable and start listening to the truth.

We need to send Tathren back to Caranthir and then I believe once he is gone, we can draw it to a close, somehow.

What if...what if Uldor sent Tathren back, telling Caranthir that he would fight for him - almost fully intending to - but after the ambassador left, Jord somehow changed his mind? Right now, it feels to me as though Uldor is in a position of imbalance. He's not sure what to do, but Caranthir needs an answer. His oath compels him to swear allegiance, so he does, but temptation and fear later convinces him to commit treason.

Did that make sense?

Gwathagor · 08-10-2008, 03:31 PM

Yes, I think so. What sort of thing would be likely to persuade Uldor? He has been pretty resilient to Jord's promises of power and wealth, thus the speculation in my last post that Uldor would eventually be driven to serve Morgoth through his own pride and arrogance - rather than by any outward temptation.

littlemanpoet · 08-10-2008, 03:38 PM

Perhaps, Foley, it might be helpful to consider that Uldor doesn't have much of a conscience. He's too ambitious and ruthless and willing to lie to himself to believe what he wants to believe - such is the nature of evil - so the self-doubt you put in the tale end of that post could be quite temporary, and of course Jord could "sweeten" the temptation in whatever ways Gwath deems appropriate.

I can post for Ulfast and for Thorn early this week, maybe yet tonight. Then Gwath can post Thorn's death by Jord's hand (no doubt). And then things can wrap up as Foley suggested. Sound good?

Folwren · 08-10-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Perhaps, Foley, it might be helpful to consider that Uldor doesn't have much of a conscience. He's too ambitious and ruthless and willing to lie to himself to believe what he wants to believe - such is the nature of evil - so the self-doubt you put in the tale end of that post could be quite temporary, and of course Jord could "sweeten" the temptation in whatever ways Gwath deems appropriate.

I guess so. I can work that. Right now, he's just wondering which is the best for himself - the elves or Morgoth?

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I can post for Ulfast and for Thorn early this week, maybe yet tonight. Then Gwath can post Thorn's death by Jord's hand (no doubt). And then things can wrap up as Foley suggested. Sound good?

Gosh, would Jord really want to kill Thorn when Uldor already has torture in mind?

littlemanpoet · 07-13-2008, 07:52 PM

Okay, but it has to be Foley who starts it unless I change the ending of my last post so that Jord can interrupt Uldor. Which way do you want to proceed?

Folwren · 07-18-2008, 07:14 PM

Okay. Great. This is the first time I've read this thought. I'll start it as soon as I've energy to think. I'll get the beginning sent to you two as soon as possible. That is, tomorrow sometime.

Mithalwen · 08-04-2008, 01:45 PM

Just out of curiosity - is there any progress on this?

Folwren · 08-04-2008, 02:20 PM

Yes, there is. Slow but sure, a post is being built by PM between Gwath, Elempi, and myself.

Sorry it's taking so long.

-- Foley

Mithalwen · 08-05-2008, 06:13 AM

No that is fine ...just wondering ....

littlemanpoet · 08-24-2008, 05:53 PM

Very good post, Gwath! I will write for both Thorn and Ulfast within the next few days.

07-13-2008, 10:39 AM	#1
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	I'm game. Let's do it. __________________ Stories and songs.

08-10-2008, 12:50 PM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	How long do you think until we can draw this to a close? We've got to hurry before someone talks Uldor into being reasonable and start listening to the truth. We need to send Tathren back to Caranthir and then I believe once he is gone, we can draw it to a close, somehow. What if...what if Uldor sent Tathren back, telling Caranthir that he would fight for him - almost fully intending to - but after the ambassador left, Jord somehow changed his mind? Right now, it feels to me as though Uldor is in a position of imbalance. He's not sure what to do, but Caranthir needs an answer. His oath compels him to swear allegiance, so he does, but temptation and fear later convinces him to commit treason. Did that make sense? __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

08-10-2008, 03:31 PM	#4
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Yes, I think so. What sort of thing would be likely to persuade Uldor? He has been pretty resilient to Jord's promises of power and wealth, thus the speculation in my last post that Uldor would eventually be driven to serve Morgoth through his own pride and arrogance - rather than by any outward temptation. __________________ Stories and songs.

08-10-2008, 03:38 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Perhaps, Foley, it might be helpful to consider that Uldor doesn't have much of a conscience. He's too ambitious and ruthless and willing to lie to himself to believe what he wants to believe - such is the nature of evil - so the self-doubt you put in the tale end of that post could be quite temporary, and of course Jord could "sweeten" the temptation in whatever ways Gwath deems appropriate. I can post for Ulfast and for Thorn early this week, maybe yet tonight. Then Gwath can post Thorn's death by Jord's hand (no doubt). And then things can wrap up as Foley suggested. Sound good? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 08-10-2008 at 03:42 PM.

07-18-2008, 07:14 PM	#8
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Okay. Great. This is the first time I've read this thought. I'll start it as soon as I've energy to think. I'll get the beginning sent to you two as soon as possible. That is, tomorrow sometime. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

08-09-2008, 12:37 PM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I decided to post the three way PM-built post between Foley, Gwath, and me, because it seemed like, as a post, it had reached a conclusion. Gwath, I'll give you a day or two to post for Jord unless you prefer me to do so for Ulfast and/or Thorn.

07-13-2008, 07:52 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, but it has to be Foley who starts it unless I change the ending of my last post so that Jord can interrupt Uldor. Which way do you want to proceed?

08-04-2008, 01:45 PM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Just out of curiosity - is there any progress on this? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-04-2008, 02:20 PM	#10
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Yes, there is. Slow but sure, a post is being built by PM between Gwath, Elempi, and myself. Sorry it's taking so long. -- Foley __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

08-05-2008, 06:13 AM	#11
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	No that is fine ...just wondering .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-24-2008, 05:53 PM	#12
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Very good post, Gwath! I will write for both Thorn and Ulfast within the next few days.

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