Tol-In-Gauroth XXIV: Battle of the Band[Wagon]

[Celuien]

I'd thought Menel suggested laying out how to find wolves, and Boro had said that doing that would let the wolves use that info against us.

My take is that listing the precise characteristics of what makes or does not make a wolf is probably a shaky idea. But not discussing tactics is also a bad idea. I'm going to try to strike a middle ground.

Any red flags I spot will be raised in retrospect so the monsters can't hide by having advance warning. In fact, I probably won't know what those flags are until I see them, being something of a gut feeling that leads to building a case person.

[Eonwe]

Well, Menel's post (#16) sounds reasonable to me. Especailly the bit about not stepping on his blue suede shoes. Who would do something like that? Undoubtalby, only a wolf. Something to keep an eye out for...

Seriously though, there is that percistent problem. "Evidence" in werewolf games, almost always (expluding, of course, a seer dream) boils down to biases and assumptions - basically gut fealings. While those are certainly not bad, it takes me awhile to get a gut fealing of someone. Yes, of course this is werewolf, were the fur should fly, and the lynchings come often, but I do hate to see an innocent die. So I am always reluctant to throw in my lot with someone until I feal something about them. So basically what I'm trying to say is I'm gonna have to give this some time, for people to build up a track record.

And of course, I'm not nay-saying at all. On the contrary, were will my records come from, if not your debates?

And one last thing: while I do appreciate the validity of the loud wolf/silent wolf theorists, I don't put much stock there. You can never predict the wolf demographics....

I'll be on a while longer...

[Glirdan]

Well, I am here and I must leave. (OOC - Like I said, RL stuff [parents kicking me off the computer, school]). But before I do, I will cast a vote and I will say now that it is mostly random because I have no serious suspicions. But my vote will be for

++Durelin

Because of the random vote for Ka. Honestly, that was probably the most random vote I have ever seen and it just doesn't sit right with me.

May we have the luck to find one of those Wolves and avenge Cowell.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok I am off from tonight, I should be back in good time before the deadline (5 hours or so). I shall wait untill then before making random or non-random acusations. I might add that Glirdan have have given me some things to think about in his last post.

[Boromir88]

I'd thought Menel suggested laying out how to find wolves, and Boro had said that doing that would let the wolves use that info against us.~Celuien

Perhaps it was a bit confusing, but Rune put my words better than myself...odd, huh?

I don't think anybody said we should not talk tactics, it was more that we should not agree on a way to do things that would enable the wolves to manipulate us.

Let me give you this poker analogy, you don't want your opponent to know your plan, or how you are playing. Beacuse, if they do you are too easy to predict and the other players and they will make you pay for it. I find Werewolf to be the same, I don't want the wolves knowing my mind, so I won't say what I find to be wolvish. Now, if something does look wolvish to me, I'm going to jump out and say so, but I won't discuss what I'm looking for in order to find wolves.

I agree with Rune, if we all collaborate and set out what we think wolves would do, then they will make us pay for it. It will make our moves too predictable.

And one last thing: while I do appreciate the validity of the loud wolf/silent wolf theorists, I don't put much stock there. You can never predict the wolf demographics....~Eonwe

That's the thing. Menel does make sense with that assumption, as that tends to be the pattern with most wolves. Problem is if we go with this assumption the wolves will go with a different strategy to play to our liking.

Before I go off to bed here, just some general comments about people so far.

I agree with Folwren's thoughts about Durelin. I don't like randomness, it doesn't serve any help to us. However, I never understand why people find the first random voter of the day to be a wolf.

Which leads me to Glirdan, who is making me wonder a bit.

But before I do, I will cast a vote and I will say now that it is mostly random because I have no serious suspicions. But my vote will be for

++Durelin

Because of the random vote for Ka (bold-my emphasis)

Let me get this straight Glirdan...you go after Durelin because of the random vote for Ka, but you yourself cast a 'random' vote for Durelin?Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Menel, Eonwe, Folwren and Rune all seem sensible so far. I don't see any reason to think they are wolves.

[THE Ka]

Gah, I wish I could stay longer, but due to RL circumstances (transportation, educational, family responsibilities,ect...), I will have to vote now or I'll be late, and that is just annoying for others and myself.

I'm not voting for Durelin, because of rather obvious reasons... Robert Smith vs. Morrissey, it's a conflict as natural to the art of music if there ever was, and not worth my vote because it would be a waste, and spoil the running joke.

Anyways, I will not vote for those who have not shown up yet to our potluck of first-day hypothesises, because it wouldn't make sense as well. Since I have to leave now, well before the deadline, or the last split second before deadline to have the last remaining to post then. In short, another waste.

The only vote that has any reason on a first-day basis (if there is anything of actual reason in a first day... ), that I might have to make is for Volo. I understand if they had to leave for RL reasons, I respect that, though they did post twice.
There is another reason besides this, that they seem to have too many hands out shaking other hands, or it looks a bit hasty how they made their conclusions so early.
Unfortunately, there never is anything for reason, or slight reason at that on the first day, but the haste and quick conclusions seems a little bit suspicious. I do not have anything definate in marble, or close at that, until later.

++Volo

[Diamond18]

Unfortunate for Sleepy to die such a grusome death, but it had to happen sooner or later., the man made enemies right and left. I'm just surprise that it was Werewolves and not one of the many talentless yet angry hacks he's eviscerated over the years. Death's funny that way.

Oh well, he called my band delightful, bless him. We were so happy to be invited to this event. Unfortunately the boys ran off with everyone else and left me all by myself with just a fiddle to fend off a pack of werewolves. Nice. Real nice.

As far as discussion goes... does anyone here actually have some stupendous out of the ordinary plan for taking on the wolves? *looks around* Yes/no? This is a fairly basic game, there's the Mytho but s/he won't be mixing things up till Day 2 so for now s/he is a non-factor. So, I mean, aren't we all going to just do what we normally do on Day 1's? Seems so, from the look of things so far. You've got your loud vs quiet points made, then there's the let's-discuss-tactics-no-let's-not-what-are-we-talking-about-anyway debate, add a little incharacter interaction, some early random votes, and a partridge in a pear tree with cinnamon for flavor. I think I'll strangle the partidge with a fiddle string and roast it for dinner though, so that takes care of that.

I'll be around closer to deadline, so luckily I don't have to vote too terribly early, for once. I can't promise I'll have a really good reason for whoever I end up voting for, but I should be able to base it on something other than character or what have you.

For now, it seems to me that the people who've voted so far, and voted fairly randomly, had no choice but to do so. So those of us who have the luxury of waiting around and reading more posts shouldn't really be getting our undies in a bunch over the level of random in each vote. In other words, I don't think Durelin or Glirdan are particularly good lynch candidates. In fact Glirdan's vote wasn't even random, it was just based on extremely thin reasoning. But then, hello, Day 1, early.